D17 Turbo VS K20a2 Swap... which is better?
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WOW... i wasnt expecting such a reaction.... but thanks to everyone for there replies... i have read each of your comments and i have gave them serious consideration.
Now i have a few statements/queestions.
Personally if i do a k20a2 swap.... it will cost me about $6000-7000 installed canadian
I figured if i do this, i dont have to worry about damaging my engine in the same way that i would if i were to boost my d17 with stock internals
I did a quick calculation, and for about $6000 canadian i can have a nice turbo setup that can handle 8-10 psi.... HOWEVER this involves alot of time because it is a hastle to look for parts to build your internals.
I figured with a k20a2 swap i can have it fully installed and ready to go at 170whp in about 3 weeks.
Honestly though i am still not sure what to do.... i dont want to pay $7000 for a swap and then regret not boosting instead.
Now i have a few statements/queestions.
Personally if i do a k20a2 swap.... it will cost me about $6000-7000 installed canadian
I figured if i do this, i dont have to worry about damaging my engine in the same way that i would if i were to boost my d17 with stock internals
I did a quick calculation, and for about $6000 canadian i can have a nice turbo setup that can handle 8-10 psi.... HOWEVER this involves alot of time because it is a hastle to look for parts to build your internals.
I figured with a k20a2 swap i can have it fully installed and ready to go at 170whp in about 3 weeks.
Honestly though i am still not sure what to do.... i dont want to pay $7000 for a swap and then regret not boosting instead.
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im not cocky i just hate people like K20EQUIPPED that know nothing about a turbo on a d17 and keep saying swap is better its cheeper ect ect.
my car sucks heck the trunk is even starting to rust due to somone scrached it but with my turbo the truth is i will pull on a swaped civic that has no other mods to it.
my car sucks heck the trunk is even starting to rust due to somone scrached it but with my turbo the truth is i will pull on a swaped civic that has no other mods to it.
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Originally Posted by shaman
Honestly though i am still not sure what to do.... i dont want to pay $7000 for a swap and then regret not boosting instead.
mods are:
stock k20a2 with:
IPS-K2 cams
itr manifold w/ bored tb
hondata intake manifold gasket
cold air intake with prototype racing bell
dc race header
5zigen catback
kpro
AND consider the fact that this is n/a ... so you won't have as many traction problems as you will with a turbo
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Originally Posted by deciuss
im not cocky i just hate people like K20EQUIPPED that know nothing about a turbo on a d17 and keep saying swap is better its cheeper ect ect.
my car sucks heck the trunk is even starting to rust due to somone scrached it but with my turbo the truth is i will pull on a swaped civic that has no other mods to it.
my car sucks heck the trunk is even starting to rust due to somone scrached it but with my turbo the truth is i will pull on a swaped civic that has no other mods to it.
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Rep Power: 0 i allready said my set up cost me only 3,500
i dont know what psi im running the guys at the shop said it feals like 6 and sounds like 6. i dont have time to set up a controller ect ect due to school and its fing cold out.
what about manuel civics? thats a differnet story im coming from the perspective of a auto civic driver but K20EQUIPPED had to say swap is better then any d17 ect ect ect
i dont know what psi im running the guys at the shop said it feals like 6 and sounds like 6. i dont have time to set up a controller ect ect due to school and its fing cold out.
what about manuel civics? thats a differnet story im coming from the perspective of a auto civic driver but K20EQUIPPED had to say swap is better then any d17 ect ect ect
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Originally Posted by shaman
Personally if i do a k20a2 swap.... it will cost me about $6000-7000 installed canadian
http://www.altechperformance.com/main.shtml
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Rep Power: 0 so $6000 CDN is a completely built engine and a complete turbo kit? my complete turbo kit will cost me bout 1500 when done all my stuff is brand new turbo, intercooler, bov, manifold, e-manage, wastegate, all the lines, piping will be custom when install...injectors will be used
install with wideband dyno tuning and custom down pipe, intercooler piping and whatever other piping will be $1000
so im 2500 cdn MAX (might be a bit less) in the whole with wideband tuning...
if you build your engine and get good tuning you can run more than 8-10 psi... wasn't some guy running 14 safely on his built d17?
6000 CDN just sounds way over priced man i dont think it'll cost anywhere near that much
install with wideband dyno tuning and custom down pipe, intercooler piping and whatever other piping will be $1000
so im 2500 cdn MAX (might be a bit less) in the whole with wideband tuning...
if you build your engine and get good tuning you can run more than 8-10 psi... wasn't some guy running 14 safely on his built d17?
6000 CDN just sounds way over priced man i dont think it'll cost anywhere near that much
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Rep Power: 0 so? i dont care and um actualy i trust them since they have been working on civics forever and have there own 10 second shop car that should be in the 9's this summer since they had to redo the turbo due to traction problems and it was to big.
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Originally Posted by deciuss
i allready said my set up cost me only 3,500
i dont know what psi im running the guys at the shop said it feals like 6 and sounds like 6. i dont have time to set up a controller ect ect due to school and its fing cold out.
what about manuel civics? thats a differnet story im coming from the perspective of a auto civic driver but K20EQUIPPED had to say swap is better then any d17 ect ect ect
i dont know what psi im running the guys at the shop said it feals like 6 and sounds like 6. i dont have time to set up a controller ect ect due to school and its fing cold out.
what about manuel civics? thats a differnet story im coming from the perspective of a auto civic driver but K20EQUIPPED had to say swap is better then any d17 ect ect ect
... nor could you just how much boost you're running by "feeling" it ...once again, I encourage you to run your car at the track when it starts getting warm out. I guarantee you that at 6-7 psi you're not gonna be seeing 13's
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Originally Posted by deciuss
so? i dont care and um actualy i trust them since they have been working on civics forever and have there own 10 second shop car that should be in the 9's this summer since they had to redo the turbo due to traction problems and it was to big.
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Rep Power: 0 oh, and my buddy has a k20a2 in his ep3 with dc header, full exaust (no cat), re-flashed ecu 8800 redline (i think, maybe 8600), AEM CAI
he put down 188whp...
he put down 188whp...
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
you can't judge how many boost you're running by listening to it ... nor could you just how much boost you're running by "feeling" it ...
once again, I encourage you to run your car at the track when it starts getting warm out. I guarantee you that at 6-7 psi you're not gonna be seeing 13's
... nor could you just how much boost you're running by "feeling" it ...once again, I encourage you to run your car at the track when it starts getting warm out. I guarantee you that at 6-7 psi you're not gonna be seeing 13's
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Originally Posted by aellerman
so $6000 CDN is a completely built engine and a complete turbo kit? my complete turbo kit will cost me bout 1500 when done all my stuff is brand new turbo, intercooler, bov, manifold, e-manage, wastegate, all the lines, piping will be custom when install...injectors will be used
install with wideband dyno tuning and custom down pipe, intercooler piping and whatever other piping will be $1000
so im 2500 cdn MAX (might be a bit less) in the whole with wideband tuning...
if you build your engine and get good tuning you can run more than 8-10 psi... wasn't some guy running 14 safely on his built d17?
6000 CDN just sounds way over priced man i dont think it'll cost anywhere near that much
install with wideband dyno tuning and custom down pipe, intercooler piping and whatever other piping will be $1000
so im 2500 cdn MAX (might be a bit less) in the whole with wideband tuning...
if you build your engine and get good tuning you can run more than 8-10 psi... wasn't some guy running 14 safely on his built d17?
6000 CDN just sounds way over priced man i dont think it'll cost anywhere near that much
the only safe 14 psi is from either a tuned motor or a built motor.
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Rep Power: 0 funny i never said at 6psi will i be running 13's nor 14's nor 15's nor 16 ect ect ect ect. where did i say that? find it and i will eat my own ****.
you sure as heck can feal the differnce between 3 psi and 10 psi ect ect hence they said im some where in between that probably at 5 or 6
all i have been trying to say is auto turboed d17> then a stock swaped k20
you sure as heck can feal the differnce between 3 psi and 10 psi ect ect hence they said im some where in between that probably at 5 or 6
all i have been trying to say is auto turboed d17> then a stock swaped k20
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
how do you get all those parts for $1500 cdn? ... must have gotten it from someone who robbed someone ;P
the only safe 14 psi is from either a tuned motor or a built motor.
the only safe 14 psi is from either a tuned motor or a built motor.
hahaha... nah, all legit.. i've been putting together my kit for a good 4-5 months now... just waiting, taking my time till i find good deals... patience is key
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Originally Posted by deciuss
funny i never said at 6psi will i be running 13's nor 14's nor 15's nor 16 ect ect ect ect. where did i say that? find it and i will eat my own ****.
you sure as heck can feal the differnce between 3 psi and 10 psi ect ect hence they said im some where in between that probably at 5 or 6
all i have been trying to say is auto turboed d17> then a stock swaped k20
you sure as heck can feal the differnce between 3 psi and 10 psi ect ect hence they said im some where in between that probably at 5 or 6
all i have been trying to say is auto turboed d17> then a stock swaped k20
ok, in that sense ... yes ... auto turbo d17 > stock swapped k20 .... but I've never heard of a stock k20 swap
... most people end up getting at least i/e/hondata ;P
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Originally Posted by deciuss
im not cocky i just hate people like K20EQUIPPED that know nothing about a turbo on a d17 and keep saying swap is better its cheeper ect ect.
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Rep Power: 0 but that cost more cash. no matter what you do to your car turbo or swap there are little things that you dont think of that add up. and your never done well untill you are done. for a honda thats full engen build ect for a swap thats turbo then engen build. heck ya the turboed swap is gona stomp on any d17 and eat more for breakfast. but they have spent way more and could have just started on a better platform.
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Rep Power: 0 Will the cost of a K20 swap go down within the next few years? Or will there be some less expensive turbo kits out there? I just started college too, and I'm in no position to shell out all this cash now. I hate being slow 
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Originally Posted by deciuss
K20EQUIPPED damn i cant hate you no more man. that bmw is the one i was gona get and turbo it to bad its now my buy a house fund.
And BMW's are sick, my father has a 540i and the odd time Im blessed to drive it, it's better then sex.
