View Poll Results: ANYONE WITH ISSUES
CLUTCH
10
100.00%
FLYWHEEL, PRESSURE PLATE
4
40.00%
TRANSMISSISION
2
20.00%
CLUTCH DELAY VALVE (CDV)
1
10.00%
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2020 Civic SI Clutch Component Failure [Honda noow taking warranty]
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Going through the same thing!!! please file a report with www.NHTSA.gov
I have realized the only way i will get my car back is to suck it up and pay $3006 but I am nervous someone will get killed in an accident and i don't want that on. my conscience. The clutch went out while getting up to speed on the highway. Please everyone report it. Also report your experience on twitter with #hondacivicsiclutchfailure
Honda is covering this up and literally abusing their customers. I will never buy a Honda again.
I have realized the only way i will get my car back is to suck it up and pay $3006 but I am nervous someone will get killed in an accident and i don't want that on. my conscience. The clutch went out while getting up to speed on the highway. Please everyone report it. Also report your experience on twitter with #hondacivicsiclutchfailure
Honda is covering this up and literally abusing their customers. I will never buy a Honda again.
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By chance has anyone been having problems with a 2020 Honda Civic manual Sport? Some of the issues I’ve read in this thread sound close to what happened with my Civic.
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I want to follow up on my last posts now that my car is finally repaired. Even though I had agreed to pay $3006 for my clutch repair, the service manager said he would do me a favor and negotiate with Honda. Said he could get me 25% off. I said I don't care just fix my car. (They originally told me and emailed me that if I didn't agree to the repair right away they couldn't get another part until July so I agreed!) So it was a huge Honda Care "goodwill gesture" to offer me 25% off. I said okay but I keep the damaged parts. They said they needed the parts to send to quality control. I said I'll pay the full $3006 for the repair and I keep the parts. Then they came back with Honda would pay for the repair as a "one time goodwill gesture not a warranty item" and I would have to pay a $1000 "deducible" and they keep the parts. I agreed and they had my car fixed 2 days later (3 weeks into this nonsense.) I don't believe the part was ever on "backorder". So now the clutch feels completely different. I believe maybe there is a defect in the factory setting. The clutch did not slip going into first. It slipped going into 3rd while it was moving. I am left feeling completely jerked around by Honda. They were accusing me of not being clear in wanting the car fixed, racing the car, abusing the car. I have driven a manual often. I've owned multiple VWs and a 1980 Porsche 911 SC and 1986 Porsche 930. The car only has 8025miles not 9000miles. I have photos of the damaged parts if anyone wants them just message me.
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Update Honda replaced my clutch as a 1 time courtesy under warranty or not I can’t remember but I paid $0 they didn’t even give me a hassle just fixed it I was prepared to sue them as I already have a separate case against them for a Bluetooth malfunction on my 2018 Honda Civic lx which I think played a big factor I traded it in and got a accord 2.0t sport instead all I can say is don’t let them finesse you every situation is different but Honda and it’s reps will play you if you let them my situation was handled quick and easy because I know the law they can say all they want about abuse but can they really prove it and it’s dumb to think none of us can drive stick properly that’s the point of the car I love me a 6 speed but the clutch’s are faulty
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Final update:
So if you have been following my previous updates, I am a criminal lawyer practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. My knowledge of consumer class action lawsuits is limited so I cannot provide advice in this area of the law. That being said, I can share my experience following my purchase of my 2020 Civic Si vehicle from Honda Downtown in Toronto.
The vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario. If you want to look up where your vehicle was manufactured, you can put your VIN in this website: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/
One of you who messaged me from the US did this and it showed that his car, despite being purchased from an American dealership, was manufactured at this Canadian facility.
I told you guys I was going through an arbitration process with CAMVAP, and the burden was on me to prove the vehicle had some defect that led to the two clutch burnouts within six months of purchasing the new vehicle. I ended up losing the arbitration as I predicted I probably would because I had no way to prove what defect in the car exactly would case such extreme damage to the clutch in single incidentes, as was the case in my experience. Both times the clutch went out, the entire car filled up with the smell of burnt clutch material and the car's clutch died, signalling that this could not be "wear and tear" but something in the car causing the clutch to burn out randomly.
During my CAMVAP claim, they had an inspector look at the clutch parts from the original car Honda sold me, and then the second set of clutch parts that was taken out of the car when I brought the car to an independent shop to fix the clutch. On the second set of parts, on one side of the pressure plate, ALL of the clutch material had worn out completely, which would explain the extremely strong smell of burnt clutch material that can still be smelled in the car to this day, four months later.
But because the burden was on me to prove a "defect" in the car, and the inspector who inspected my car, which by then had already been worked on by a third party mechanic, I lost the case.
Now, the only way we can come together to convince a lawyer to start a class action is to prove there is a connection between all of our cases.
I would start off by seeing if your vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario by putting your VIN in here: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/. That way, we know there is a link between our cars and where they were manufactured. Even if your car wasn't manufactured at that plant, it's possible they;re using the same parts or same assembly techniques to cause these failures with the cars
Because I went through CAMVAP and submitted myself to binding arbitration, I do not believe I can be part of the class action, since I gave up those rights by allowing myself to have my legal rights determined by CAMVAP.
However, based on what I do know about class action proceedings, if we can get at least two people with cars manufactured in Alliston, and an expert's report indicating some kind of manufacturer defect that is similar in both cars, then we can have more leverage in convincing a lawyer to take up this case on contingency (they will only get paid if they win).
Because I did not know much about automotive manufacturers and those with the expertise to take a look at my car for defects and get them to write a report for me to tender as evidence at my arbitration hearing, my case was dismissed. So that is what a plaintiff would need in this case first and foremost before a lawyer would agree to take on the case:
1. Connection of similarity of issues between the cases
2. Evidence of the similarity of the issues and that that issue is causing the clutches to fail prematurely.
A class action can be started anywhere. If you are in the US, and I know there are a few of you in the same states, you can get together to pay for an expert to examine your cars and the clutch parts and then approach a lawyer to see if they would take on the case.
But if you guys are checking your VINs and everyone with this issue has had their car manufactured in Alliston, then I can be of more help since I am licensed to practice here and have conections to lawyers here.
If any of you know anyone who works in manufacturing in the automotive business (and I'm not just talking about your average everyday mechanic, but an expert with a cv that can back up his opinion that Honda, through negligence or wilful blindness, caused these cars to go to market with such a defect that would cause premature clutch damage in some of their vehicles with that defect.
I am exhausted and at the end of my ropes. But that is basically the best information I can provide.
So if you have been following my previous updates, I am a criminal lawyer practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. My knowledge of consumer class action lawsuits is limited so I cannot provide advice in this area of the law. That being said, I can share my experience following my purchase of my 2020 Civic Si vehicle from Honda Downtown in Toronto.
The vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario. If you want to look up where your vehicle was manufactured, you can put your VIN in this website: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/
One of you who messaged me from the US did this and it showed that his car, despite being purchased from an American dealership, was manufactured at this Canadian facility.
I told you guys I was going through an arbitration process with CAMVAP, and the burden was on me to prove the vehicle had some defect that led to the two clutch burnouts within six months of purchasing the new vehicle. I ended up losing the arbitration as I predicted I probably would because I had no way to prove what defect in the car exactly would case such extreme damage to the clutch in single incidentes, as was the case in my experience. Both times the clutch went out, the entire car filled up with the smell of burnt clutch material and the car's clutch died, signalling that this could not be "wear and tear" but something in the car causing the clutch to burn out randomly.
During my CAMVAP claim, they had an inspector look at the clutch parts from the original car Honda sold me, and then the second set of clutch parts that was taken out of the car when I brought the car to an independent shop to fix the clutch. On the second set of parts, on one side of the pressure plate, ALL of the clutch material had worn out completely, which would explain the extremely strong smell of burnt clutch material that can still be smelled in the car to this day, four months later.
But because the burden was on me to prove a "defect" in the car, and the inspector who inspected my car, which by then had already been worked on by a third party mechanic, I lost the case.
Now, the only way we can come together to convince a lawyer to start a class action is to prove there is a connection between all of our cases.
I would start off by seeing if your vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario by putting your VIN in here: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/. That way, we know there is a link between our cars and where they were manufactured. Even if your car wasn't manufactured at that plant, it's possible they;re using the same parts or same assembly techniques to cause these failures with the cars
Because I went through CAMVAP and submitted myself to binding arbitration, I do not believe I can be part of the class action, since I gave up those rights by allowing myself to have my legal rights determined by CAMVAP.
However, based on what I do know about class action proceedings, if we can get at least two people with cars manufactured in Alliston, and an expert's report indicating some kind of manufacturer defect that is similar in both cars, then we can have more leverage in convincing a lawyer to take up this case on contingency (they will only get paid if they win).
Because I did not know much about automotive manufacturers and those with the expertise to take a look at my car for defects and get them to write a report for me to tender as evidence at my arbitration hearing, my case was dismissed. So that is what a plaintiff would need in this case first and foremost before a lawyer would agree to take on the case:
1. Connection of similarity of issues between the cases
2. Evidence of the similarity of the issues and that that issue is causing the clutches to fail prematurely.
A class action can be started anywhere. If you are in the US, and I know there are a few of you in the same states, you can get together to pay for an expert to examine your cars and the clutch parts and then approach a lawyer to see if they would take on the case.
But if you guys are checking your VINs and everyone with this issue has had their car manufactured in Alliston, then I can be of more help since I am licensed to practice here and have conections to lawyers here.
If any of you know anyone who works in manufacturing in the automotive business (and I'm not just talking about your average everyday mechanic, but an expert with a cv that can back up his opinion that Honda, through negligence or wilful blindness, caused these cars to go to market with such a defect that would cause premature clutch damage in some of their vehicles with that defect.
I am exhausted and at the end of my ropes. But that is basically the best information I can provide.
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Here are a few short videos of a Honda America rep responses to my phone inquiry asking to rush order the fly wheel for me. That's me sitting in the hospital trying to get my car repaired talking to the rep on speaker phone. I had agreed to pay the full cost off the repair from the start. My problem was that they claimed they didn't have the part in stock until 3 months and my clutch was torn apart at the dealership.
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Final update:
So if you have been following my previous updates, I am a criminal lawyer practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. My knowledge of consumer class action lawsuits is limited so I cannot provide advice in this area of the law. That being said, I can share my experience following my purchase of my 2020 Civic Si vehicle from Honda Downtown in Toronto.
The vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario. If you want to look up where your vehicle was manufactured, you can put your VIN in this website: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/
One of you who messaged me from the US did this and it showed that his car, despite being purchased from an American dealership, was manufactured at this Canadian facility.
I told you guys I was going through an arbitration process with CAMVAP, and the burden was on me to prove the vehicle had some defect that led to the two clutch burnouts within six months of purchasing the new vehicle. I ended up losing the arbitration as I predicted I probably would because I had no way to prove what defect in the car exactly would case such extreme damage to the clutch in single incidentes, as was the case in my experience. Both times the clutch went out, the entire car filled up with the smell of burnt clutch material and the car's clutch died, signalling that this could not be "wear and tear" but something in the car causing the clutch to burn out randomly.
During my CAMVAP claim, they had an inspector look at the clutch parts from the original car Honda sold me, and then the second set of clutch parts that was taken out of the car when I brought the car to an independent shop to fix the clutch. On the second set of parts, on one side of the pressure plate, ALL of the clutch material had worn out completely, which would explain the extremely strong smell of burnt clutch material that can still be smelled in the car to this day, four months later.
But because the burden was on me to prove a "defect" in the car, and the inspector who inspected my car, which by then had already been worked on by a third party mechanic, I lost the case.
Now, the only way we can come together to convince a lawyer to start a class action is to prove there is a connection between all of our cases.
I would start off by seeing if your vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario by putting your VIN in here: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/. That way, we know there is a link between our cars and where they were manufactured. Even if your car wasn't manufactured at that plant, it's possible they;re using the same parts or same assembly techniques to cause these failures with the cars
Because I went through CAMVAP and submitted myself to binding arbitration, I do not believe I can be part of the class action, since I gave up those rights by allowing myself to have my legal rights determined by CAMVAP.
However, based on what I do know about class action proceedings, if we can get at least two people with cars manufactured in Alliston, and an expert's report indicating some kind of manufacturer defect that is similar in both cars, then we can have more leverage in convincing a lawyer to take up this case on contingency (they will only get paid if they win).
Because I did not know much about automotive manufacturers and those with the expertise to take a look at my car for defects and get them to write a report for me to tender as evidence at my arbitration hearing, my case was dismissed. So that is what a plaintiff would need in this case first and foremost before a lawyer would agree to take on the case:
1. Connection of similarity of issues between the cases
2. Evidence of the similarity of the issues and that that issue is causing the clutches to fail prematurely.
A class action can be started anywhere. If you are in the US, and I know there are a few of you in the same states, you can get together to pay for an expert to examine your cars and the clutch parts and then approach a lawyer to see if they would take on the case.
But if you guys are checking your VINs and everyone with this issue has had their car manufactured in Alliston, then I can be of more help since I am licensed to practice here and have conections to lawyers here.
If any of you know anyone who works in manufacturing in the automotive business (and I'm not just talking about your average everyday mechanic, but an expert with a cv that can back up his opinion that Honda, through negligence or wilful blindness, caused these cars to go to market with such a defect that would cause premature clutch damage in some of their vehicles with that defect.
I am exhausted and at the end of my ropes. But that is basically the best information I can provide.
So if you have been following my previous updates, I am a criminal lawyer practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. My knowledge of consumer class action lawsuits is limited so I cannot provide advice in this area of the law. That being said, I can share my experience following my purchase of my 2020 Civic Si vehicle from Honda Downtown in Toronto.
The vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario. If you want to look up where your vehicle was manufactured, you can put your VIN in this website: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/
One of you who messaged me from the US did this and it showed that his car, despite being purchased from an American dealership, was manufactured at this Canadian facility.
I told you guys I was going through an arbitration process with CAMVAP, and the burden was on me to prove the vehicle had some defect that led to the two clutch burnouts within six months of purchasing the new vehicle. I ended up losing the arbitration as I predicted I probably would because I had no way to prove what defect in the car exactly would case such extreme damage to the clutch in single incidentes, as was the case in my experience. Both times the clutch went out, the entire car filled up with the smell of burnt clutch material and the car's clutch died, signalling that this could not be "wear and tear" but something in the car causing the clutch to burn out randomly.
During my CAMVAP claim, they had an inspector look at the clutch parts from the original car Honda sold me, and then the second set of clutch parts that was taken out of the car when I brought the car to an independent shop to fix the clutch. On the second set of parts, on one side of the pressure plate, ALL of the clutch material had worn out completely, which would explain the extremely strong smell of burnt clutch material that can still be smelled in the car to this day, four months later.
But because the burden was on me to prove a "defect" in the car, and the inspector who inspected my car, which by then had already been worked on by a third party mechanic, I lost the case.
Now, the only way we can come together to convince a lawyer to start a class action is to prove there is a connection between all of our cases.
I would start off by seeing if your vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario by putting your VIN in here: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/. That way, we know there is a link between our cars and where they were manufactured. Even if your car wasn't manufactured at that plant, it's possible they;re using the same parts or same assembly techniques to cause these failures with the cars
Because I went through CAMVAP and submitted myself to binding arbitration, I do not believe I can be part of the class action, since I gave up those rights by allowing myself to have my legal rights determined by CAMVAP.
However, based on what I do know about class action proceedings, if we can get at least two people with cars manufactured in Alliston, and an expert's report indicating some kind of manufacturer defect that is similar in both cars, then we can have more leverage in convincing a lawyer to take up this case on contingency (they will only get paid if they win).
Because I did not know much about automotive manufacturers and those with the expertise to take a look at my car for defects and get them to write a report for me to tender as evidence at my arbitration hearing, my case was dismissed. So that is what a plaintiff would need in this case first and foremost before a lawyer would agree to take on the case:
1. Connection of similarity of issues between the cases
2. Evidence of the similarity of the issues and that that issue is causing the clutches to fail prematurely.
A class action can be started anywhere. If you are in the US, and I know there are a few of you in the same states, you can get together to pay for an expert to examine your cars and the clutch parts and then approach a lawyer to see if they would take on the case.
But if you guys are checking your VINs and everyone with this issue has had their car manufactured in Alliston, then I can be of more help since I am licensed to practice here and have conections to lawyers here.
If any of you know anyone who works in manufacturing in the automotive business (and I'm not just talking about your average everyday mechanic, but an expert with a cv that can back up his opinion that Honda, through negligence or wilful blindness, caused these cars to go to market with such a defect that would cause premature clutch damage in some of their vehicles with that defect.
I am exhausted and at the end of my ropes. But that is basically the best information I can provide.
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Hi Matt,
My clutch started acting up one week ago. 2020 Honda civic, second civic and I think my 6th manual car. Bought it at Honda Oshawa Whitby. Will have results of diagnostic tomorrow. No chance in hell am I paying for a new clutch.
Kelly
My clutch started acting up one week ago. 2020 Honda civic, second civic and I think my 6th manual car. Bought it at Honda Oshawa Whitby. Will have results of diagnostic tomorrow. No chance in hell am I paying for a new clutch.
Kelly
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I lease a 2020 Honda Civic Si. It has 11,000 miles on it and my clutch has also gone. The dealer wants $3k to fix it.
I talked to them today and they told me to open a case with American Honda Motor Co which I have now done. The clutch is not covered under warranty. They are saying that it can only go bad because of bad driving, which is total rubbish because this will be my the third Civic I have leased, all of which have been stick shifts. I've been driving stick all my live (I'm 50) and authorized drives, wife and two sons have been driving stick for years and nobody has been racing this car or treating it badly.
I've been told by the service manager that to do the labor they need to get paid and that he doesn't care if Honda pays or I pay, but I need to authorize a teardown so they can fully check it out. If they find something that could have caused the issue, then it might be covered under warranty in which case Honda pays. The problem with that is that if they conclude it's "bad driving" then I have no other choice but to pay the full 3k because it's now in pieces and cannot be taken anywhere. The other option I have is to get it out of there now before the teardown and do the job myself, but if I do that then I forfeit any possible warranty claim because only Honda dealers can do warranty work. It's a gamble and I get to own the gamble.
So annoying!
I'll update here as I get updates from Honda.
I talked to them today and they told me to open a case with American Honda Motor Co which I have now done. The clutch is not covered under warranty. They are saying that it can only go bad because of bad driving, which is total rubbish because this will be my the third Civic I have leased, all of which have been stick shifts. I've been driving stick all my live (I'm 50) and authorized drives, wife and two sons have been driving stick for years and nobody has been racing this car or treating it badly.
I've been told by the service manager that to do the labor they need to get paid and that he doesn't care if Honda pays or I pay, but I need to authorize a teardown so they can fully check it out. If they find something that could have caused the issue, then it might be covered under warranty in which case Honda pays. The problem with that is that if they conclude it's "bad driving" then I have no other choice but to pay the full 3k because it's now in pieces and cannot be taken anywhere. The other option I have is to get it out of there now before the teardown and do the job myself, but if I do that then I forfeit any possible warranty claim because only Honda dealers can do warranty work. It's a gamble and I get to own the gamble.
So annoying!
I'll update here as I get updates from Honda.
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Okay I sold my Si, and I never want to deal with Honda again when it comes to manual transmissions. I have still been getting some emails but I have to ask you guys to not email me anymore unless you are a mechanic or have gotten a reputable mechanic to look over the car and identify an issue with the car that proves it's not driver misuse causing the problem, because without that, we can't prove anything. I definitely believe there is a problem with these Sis because they were all manufactured in Alliston, ON, and everyone has described the exact same problem.
Oh and Honda stopped manufacturing the Si this year completely. Coincidence? If you're selling it, I would recommend selling it ASAP because without anymore being produced, it may be harder to buy parts, and depreciate the value further.
Oh and Honda stopped manufacturing the Si this year completely. Coincidence? If you're selling it, I would recommend selling it ASAP because without anymore being produced, it may be harder to buy parts, and depreciate the value further.
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Piazza Honda of Springfield
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Very disappointed and devastated that Piazza Honda & American Honda will call a lemon clutch a wear & tear item on a 2019 Honda Civic Si with 21,000 miles. Where is the wear or tear? The car is 2 years old, I drive back & forth to my law enforcement job, and roll with baby seat in the back. This isn't the fast & the furious street racing. I've never replaced a clutch under 150,000 miles and they should be ashamed for trying to not cover this. The car came with a shotty clutch, and it should be covered.
Piazza Honda & American Honda should be ashamed for their lousy business practices.
American Honda Motor Company, Inc.
Very disappointed and devastated that Piazza Honda & American Honda will call a lemon clutch a wear & tear item on a 2019 Honda Civic Si with 21,000 miles. Where is the wear or tear? The car is 2 years old, I drive back & forth to my law enforcement job, and roll with baby seat in the back. This isn't the fast & the furious street racing. I've never replaced a clutch under 150,000 miles and they should be ashamed for trying to not cover this. The car came with a shotty clutch, and it should be covered.
Piazza Honda & American Honda should be ashamed for their lousy business practices.
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This just happened to use. 2020 civic si with 20k and it's slipping. my integra went 180km until i got mine replaced. they want $3300 for the repair. that's nuts!
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Final update:
So if you have been following my previous updates, I am a criminal lawyer practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. My knowledge of consumer class action lawsuits is limited so I cannot provide advice in this area of the law. That being said, I can share my experience following my purchase of my 2020 Civic Si vehicle from Honda Downtown in Toronto.
The vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario. If you want to look up where your vehicle was manufactured, you can put your VIN in this website: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/
One of you who messaged me from the US did this and it showed that his car, despite being purchased from an American dealership, was manufactured at this Canadian facility.
I told you guys I was going through an arbitration process with CAMVAP, and the burden was on me to prove the vehicle had some defect that led to the two clutch burnouts within six months of purchasing the new vehicle. I ended up losing the arbitration as I predicted I probably would because I had no way to prove what defect in the car exactly would case such extreme damage to the clutch in single incidentes, as was the case in my experience. Both times the clutch went out, the entire car filled up with the smell of burnt clutch material and the car's clutch died, signalling that this could not be "wear and tear" but something in the car causing the clutch to burn out randomly.
During my CAMVAP claim, they had an inspector look at the clutch parts from the original car Honda sold me, and then the second set of clutch parts that was taken out of the car when I brought the car to an independent shop to fix the clutch. On the second set of parts, on one side of the pressure plate, ALL of the clutch material had worn out completely, which would explain the extremely strong smell of burnt clutch material that can still be smelled in the car to this day, four months later.
But because the burden was on me to prove a "defect" in the car, and the inspector who inspected my car, which by then had already been worked on by a third party mechanic, I lost the case.
Now, the only way we can come together to convince a lawyer to start a class action is to prove there is a connection between all of our cases.
I would start off by seeing if your vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario by putting your VIN in here: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/. That way, we know there is a link between our cars and where they were manufactured. Even if your car wasn't manufactured at that plant, it's possible they;re using the same parts or same assembly techniques to cause these failures with the cars
Because I went through CAMVAP and submitted myself to binding arbitration, I do not believe I can be part of the class action, since I gave up those rights by allowing myself to have my legal rights determined by CAMVAP.
However, based on what I do know about class action proceedings, if we can get at least two people with cars manufactured in Alliston, and an expert's report indicating some kind of manufacturer defect that is similar in both cars, then we can have more leverage in convincing a lawyer to take up this case on contingency (they will only get paid if they win).
Because I did not know much about automotive manufacturers and those with the expertise to take a look at my car for defects and get them to write a report for me to tender as evidence at my arbitration hearing, my case was dismissed. So that is what a plaintiff would need in this case first and foremost before a lawyer would agree to take on the case:
1. Connection of similarity of issues between the cases
2. Evidence of the similarity of the issues and that that issue is causing the clutches to fail prematurely.
A class action can be started anywhere. If you are in the US, and I know there are a few of you in the same states, you can get together to pay for an expert to examine your cars and the clutch parts and then approach a lawyer to see if they would take on the case.
But if you guys are checking your VINs and everyone with this issue has had their car manufactured in Alliston, then I can be of more help since I am licensed to practice here and have conections to lawyers here.
If any of you know anyone who works in manufacturing in the automotive business (and I'm not just talking about your average everyday mechanic, but an expert with a cv that can back up his opinion that Honda, through negligence or wilful blindness, caused these cars to go to market with such a defect that would cause premature clutch damage in some of their vehicles with that defect.
I am exhausted and at the end of my ropes. But that is basically the best information I can provide.
So if you have been following my previous updates, I am a criminal lawyer practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. My knowledge of consumer class action lawsuits is limited so I cannot provide advice in this area of the law. That being said, I can share my experience following my purchase of my 2020 Civic Si vehicle from Honda Downtown in Toronto.
The vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario. If you want to look up where your vehicle was manufactured, you can put your VIN in this website: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/
One of you who messaged me from the US did this and it showed that his car, despite being purchased from an American dealership, was manufactured at this Canadian facility.
I told you guys I was going through an arbitration process with CAMVAP, and the burden was on me to prove the vehicle had some defect that led to the two clutch burnouts within six months of purchasing the new vehicle. I ended up losing the arbitration as I predicted I probably would because I had no way to prove what defect in the car exactly would case such extreme damage to the clutch in single incidentes, as was the case in my experience. Both times the clutch went out, the entire car filled up with the smell of burnt clutch material and the car's clutch died, signalling that this could not be "wear and tear" but something in the car causing the clutch to burn out randomly.
During my CAMVAP claim, they had an inspector look at the clutch parts from the original car Honda sold me, and then the second set of clutch parts that was taken out of the car when I brought the car to an independent shop to fix the clutch. On the second set of parts, on one side of the pressure plate, ALL of the clutch material had worn out completely, which would explain the extremely strong smell of burnt clutch material that can still be smelled in the car to this day, four months later.
But because the burden was on me to prove a "defect" in the car, and the inspector who inspected my car, which by then had already been worked on by a third party mechanic, I lost the case.
Now, the only way we can come together to convince a lawyer to start a class action is to prove there is a connection between all of our cases.
I would start off by seeing if your vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario by putting your VIN in here: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/. That way, we know there is a link between our cars and where they were manufactured. Even if your car wasn't manufactured at that plant, it's possible they;re using the same parts or same assembly techniques to cause these failures with the cars
Because I went through CAMVAP and submitted myself to binding arbitration, I do not believe I can be part of the class action, since I gave up those rights by allowing myself to have my legal rights determined by CAMVAP.
However, based on what I do know about class action proceedings, if we can get at least two people with cars manufactured in Alliston, and an expert's report indicating some kind of manufacturer defect that is similar in both cars, then we can have more leverage in convincing a lawyer to take up this case on contingency (they will only get paid if they win).
Because I did not know much about automotive manufacturers and those with the expertise to take a look at my car for defects and get them to write a report for me to tender as evidence at my arbitration hearing, my case was dismissed. So that is what a plaintiff would need in this case first and foremost before a lawyer would agree to take on the case:
1. Connection of similarity of issues between the cases
2. Evidence of the similarity of the issues and that that issue is causing the clutches to fail prematurely.
A class action can be started anywhere. If you are in the US, and I know there are a few of you in the same states, you can get together to pay for an expert to examine your cars and the clutch parts and then approach a lawyer to see if they would take on the case.
But if you guys are checking your VINs and everyone with this issue has had their car manufactured in Alliston, then I can be of more help since I am licensed to practice here and have conections to lawyers here.
If any of you know anyone who works in manufacturing in the automotive business (and I'm not just talking about your average everyday mechanic, but an expert with a cv that can back up his opinion that Honda, through negligence or wilful blindness, caused these cars to go to market with such a defect that would cause premature clutch damage in some of their vehicles with that defect.
I am exhausted and at the end of my ropes. But that is basically the best information I can provide.
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I have a 2020 Civic SI and the clutch had to be replaced after 16k miles. Initially, i encountered a vibration when i would change gears. I had the dealer look at it and they wrote it off as maybe tires. The vibration went away after a few days but then i noticed a major loss in power and the rpms on the tach would randomly drop 500-700 and slowly climb back up.
the dealer said i the clutch was shot and Honda would not cover it as it was a wearable item. I too was asked if i kept my foot on the clutch when i drove, if i did the clutch-play thing in hills, if i red lines the clutch.
the answer to all is no…I’ve been driving manual for 30 years (mostly civics and accords) and i have never had a clutch go out before 90k miles.
the mechanic said that maybe standing water cooled the clutch assembly too quickly and warped the pressure plate (we had a really bad rain before the issues started). I accepted that explanation, but seeing all of these posts…. It has to be something else. Is there a way that we can get Honda’s attention to this issue?
the dealer said i the clutch was shot and Honda would not cover it as it was a wearable item. I too was asked if i kept my foot on the clutch when i drove, if i did the clutch-play thing in hills, if i red lines the clutch.
the answer to all is no…I’ve been driving manual for 30 years (mostly civics and accords) and i have never had a clutch go out before 90k miles.
the mechanic said that maybe standing water cooled the clutch assembly too quickly and warped the pressure plate (we had a really bad rain before the issues started). I accepted that explanation, but seeing all of these posts…. It has to be something else. Is there a way that we can get Honda’s attention to this issue?
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I have a 2020 Civic SI and the clutch had to be replaced after 16k miles. Initially, i encountered a vibration when i would change gears. I had the dealer look at it and they wrote it off as maybe tires. The vibration went away after a few days but then i noticed a major loss in power and the rpms on the tach would randomly drop 500-700 and slowly climb back up.
the dealer said i the clutch was shot and Honda would not cover it as it was a wearable item. I too was asked if i kept my foot on the clutch when i drove, if i did the clutch-play thing in hills, if i red lines the clutch.
the answer to all is no…I’ve been driving manual for 30 years (mostly civics and accords) and i have never had a clutch go out before 90k miles.
the mechanic said that maybe standing water cooled the clutch assembly too quickly and warped the pressure plate (we had a really bad rain before the issues started). I accepted that explanation, but seeing all of these posts…. It has to be something else. Is there a way that we can get Honda’s attention to this issue?
the dealer said i the clutch was shot and Honda would not cover it as it was a wearable item. I too was asked if i kept my foot on the clutch when i drove, if i did the clutch-play thing in hills, if i red lines the clutch.
the answer to all is no…I’ve been driving manual for 30 years (mostly civics and accords) and i have never had a clutch go out before 90k miles.
the mechanic said that maybe standing water cooled the clutch assembly too quickly and warped the pressure plate (we had a really bad rain before the issues started). I accepted that explanation, but seeing all of these posts…. It has to be something else. Is there a way that we can get Honda’s attention to this issue?
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Can't say anything because I have no affiliation with Honda, but I'd honestly be surprised if anything came of it. Clutch is too difficult to prove faulty, regardless of how many failures there are. From the sounds of it, there are more cars without issues than with.
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I would recommend going through the proper channels.
Have any of you reported the issue to NHTSA? That would be the correct procedure to have it going. If you want a recall to happen, you need to report to NHTSA.
If you don't, you are just babbling, not helping yourself. Follow the procedures to get yourself covered.
There are 8 cases under powetrain there already.
Looks like 2 door/4 door are bundled, they are the same cases
https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/
Have any of you reported the issue to NHTSA? That would be the correct procedure to have it going. If you want a recall to happen, you need to report to NHTSA.
If you don't, you are just babbling, not helping yourself. Follow the procedures to get yourself covered.
There are 8 cases under powetrain there already.
Looks like 2 door/4 door are bundled, they are the same cases
https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/
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So if you have been following my previous updates, I am a criminal lawyer practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. My knowledge of consumer class action lawsuits is limited so I cannot provide advice in this area of the law. That being said, I can share my experience following my purchase of my 2020 Civic Si vehicle from Honda Downtown in Toronto.
The vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario. If you want to look up where your vehicle was manufactured, you can put your VIN in this website: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/
One of you who messaged me from the US did this and it showed that his car, despite being purchased from an American dealership, was manufactured at this Canadian facility.
I told you guys I was going through an arbitration process with CAMVAP, and the burden was on me to prove the vehicle had some defect that led to the two clutch burnouts within six months of purchasing the new vehicle. I ended up losing the arbitration as I predicted I probably would because I had no way to prove what defect in the car exactly would case such extreme damage to the clutch in single incidentes, as was the case in my experience. Both times the clutch went out, the entire car filled up with the smell of burnt clutch material and the car's clutch died, signalling that this could not be "wear and tear" but something in the car causing the clutch to burn out randomly.
During my CAMVAP claim, they had an inspector look at the clutch parts from the original car Honda sold me, and then the second set of clutch parts that was taken out of the car when I brought the car to an independent shop to fix the clutch. On the second set of parts, on one side of the pressure plate, ALL of the clutch material had worn out completely, which would explain the extremely strong smell of burnt clutch material that can still be smelled in the car to this day, four months later.
But because the burden was on me to prove a "defect" in the car, and the inspector who inspected my car, which by then had already been worked on by a third party mechanic, I lost the case.
Now, the only way we can come together to convince a lawyer to start a class action is to prove there is a connection between all of our cases.
I would start off by seeing if your vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario by putting your VIN in here: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/. That way, we know there is a link between our cars and where they were manufactured. Even if your car wasn't manufactured at that plant, it's possible they;re using the same parts or same assembly techniques to cause these failures with the cars
Because I went through CAMVAP and submitted myself to binding arbitration, I do not believe I can be part of the class action, since I gave up those rights by allowing myself to have my legal rights determined by CAMVAP.
However, based on what I do know about class action proceedings, if we can get at least two people with cars manufactured in Alliston, and an expert's report indicating some kind of manufacturer defect that is similar in both cars, then we can have more leverage in convincing a lawyer to take up this case on contingency (they will only get paid if they win).
Because I did not know much about automotive manufacturers and those with the expertise to take a look at my car for defects and get them to write a report for me to tender as evidence at my arbitration hearing, my case was dismissed. So that is what a plaintiff would need in this case first and foremost before a lawyer would agree to take on the case:
1. Connection of similarity of issues between the cases
2. Evidence of the similarity of the issues and that that issue is causing the clutches to fail prematurely.
A class action can be started anywhere. If you are in the US, and I know there are a few of you in the same states, you can get together to pay for an expert to examine your cars and the clutch parts and then approach a lawyer to see if they would take on the case.
But if you guys are checking your VINs and everyone with this issue has had their car manufactured in Alliston, then I can be of more help since I am licensed to practice here and have conections to lawyers here.
If any of you know anyone who works in manufacturing in the automotive business (and I'm not just talking about your average everyday mechanic, but an expert with a cv that can back up his opinion that Honda, through negligence or wilful blindness, caused these cars to go to market with such a defect that would cause premature clutch damage in some of their vehicles with that defect.
I am exhausted and at the end of my ropes. But that is basically the best information I can provide.
So if you have been following my previous updates, I am a criminal lawyer practicing in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. My knowledge of consumer class action lawsuits is limited so I cannot provide advice in this area of the law. That being said, I can share my experience following my purchase of my 2020 Civic Si vehicle from Honda Downtown in Toronto.
The vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario. If you want to look up where your vehicle was manufactured, you can put your VIN in this website: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/
One of you who messaged me from the US did this and it showed that his car, despite being purchased from an American dealership, was manufactured at this Canadian facility.
I told you guys I was going through an arbitration process with CAMVAP, and the burden was on me to prove the vehicle had some defect that led to the two clutch burnouts within six months of purchasing the new vehicle. I ended up losing the arbitration as I predicted I probably would because I had no way to prove what defect in the car exactly would case such extreme damage to the clutch in single incidentes, as was the case in my experience. Both times the clutch went out, the entire car filled up with the smell of burnt clutch material and the car's clutch died, signalling that this could not be "wear and tear" but something in the car causing the clutch to burn out randomly.
During my CAMVAP claim, they had an inspector look at the clutch parts from the original car Honda sold me, and then the second set of clutch parts that was taken out of the car when I brought the car to an independent shop to fix the clutch. On the second set of parts, on one side of the pressure plate, ALL of the clutch material had worn out completely, which would explain the extremely strong smell of burnt clutch material that can still be smelled in the car to this day, four months later.
But because the burden was on me to prove a "defect" in the car, and the inspector who inspected my car, which by then had already been worked on by a third party mechanic, I lost the case.
Now, the only way we can come together to convince a lawyer to start a class action is to prove there is a connection between all of our cases.
I would start off by seeing if your vehicle was manufactured in Alliston, Ontario by putting your VIN in here: https://driving-tests.org/vin-decoder/. That way, we know there is a link between our cars and where they were manufactured. Even if your car wasn't manufactured at that plant, it's possible they;re using the same parts or same assembly techniques to cause these failures with the cars
Because I went through CAMVAP and submitted myself to binding arbitration, I do not believe I can be part of the class action, since I gave up those rights by allowing myself to have my legal rights determined by CAMVAP.
However, based on what I do know about class action proceedings, if we can get at least two people with cars manufactured in Alliston, and an expert's report indicating some kind of manufacturer defect that is similar in both cars, then we can have more leverage in convincing a lawyer to take up this case on contingency (they will only get paid if they win).
Because I did not know much about automotive manufacturers and those with the expertise to take a look at my car for defects and get them to write a report for me to tender as evidence at my arbitration hearing, my case was dismissed. So that is what a plaintiff would need in this case first and foremost before a lawyer would agree to take on the case:
1. Connection of similarity of issues between the cases
2. Evidence of the similarity of the issues and that that issue is causing the clutches to fail prematurely.
A class action can be started anywhere. If you are in the US, and I know there are a few of you in the same states, you can get together to pay for an expert to examine your cars and the clutch parts and then approach a lawyer to see if they would take on the case.
But if you guys are checking your VINs and everyone with this issue has had their car manufactured in Alliston, then I can be of more help since I am licensed to practice here and have conections to lawyers here.
If any of you know anyone who works in manufacturing in the automotive business (and I'm not just talking about your average everyday mechanic, but an expert with a cv that can back up his opinion that Honda, through negligence or wilful blindness, caused these cars to go to market with such a defect that would cause premature clutch damage in some of their vehicles with that defect.
I am exhausted and at the end of my ropes. But that is basically the best information I can provide.
I own a 2018 Honda Civic SI coupe and just checked the vin and it was manufactured in Allison Canada. My Honda also suffered from early clutch failure, had to have the pressure plates and fly wheel replaced. Cost me about 6000 dollars and the dealership didn't want to cover it saying it was wear and tear due to negligent driving. That is BS. Now i have a case open with Honda corporate to get my refund.
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Thank you for posting this. I checked and my car was made in Alliston, Ontario Canada also. I bought it in Los Angeles. Clutch went out at 8000 miles.
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In case anyone is still watching this thread…
If you had your 2020 or 2021 Civic clutch replaced while the rest of the drivetrain was still under warranty, you should go back and talk to your dealer.
Honda issued a technical service bulletin on 9/5/2022 that applies to ALL 2020 and 2021 manual transmission Civics, wherein the clutch/flywheel/etc are now covered under the drivetrain warranty because of a production issue.
We have a 2020 Civic Sport, around 24k miles on it. Started to feel the clutch slipping in July, so we took it to our dealer. He confirmed that the clutch was bad, that it’s not covered under warranty because it’s a wear item, and that we might want to drive it for a while until it gets worse. I asked how a clutch with 24k could already fail, and of course he said it must be how we’re driving. My 1997 Civic DX had 160,000 miles on the original clutch, but uh, sure.
It started feeling a lot worse a few weeks ago, so I booked an appointment at my friend’s shop, because I’d much rather give him the business.
He looked at it on 9/12 and confirmed it was bad. He was going to get the parts on 9/13. On Tuesday morning, when he went into whichever system he uses (the same one he had been in the day before), the TSB popped up.
He called me back, told me about it, and then called my dealer to see if they were aware of it. They hadn’t seen it yet, but it came up in their system and they told him to have us call and make an appointment. Then he put my car back together, because he was just about to receive the parts and get working on it.
Called the dealer, set up the appointment, went out to my friend’s place to get the car and drove it to Honda. Had a new clutch by the next afternoon, no charge.
This isn’t a recall, so I can’t imagine that anyone who had previously had this fixed while the rest of the drivetrain was under warranty would have any way of finding out about it. But they should reimburse you if you go back to them and ask about it.
If you had your 2020 or 2021 Civic clutch replaced while the rest of the drivetrain was still under warranty, you should go back and talk to your dealer.
Honda issued a technical service bulletin on 9/5/2022 that applies to ALL 2020 and 2021 manual transmission Civics, wherein the clutch/flywheel/etc are now covered under the drivetrain warranty because of a production issue.
We have a 2020 Civic Sport, around 24k miles on it. Started to feel the clutch slipping in July, so we took it to our dealer. He confirmed that the clutch was bad, that it’s not covered under warranty because it’s a wear item, and that we might want to drive it for a while until it gets worse. I asked how a clutch with 24k could already fail, and of course he said it must be how we’re driving. My 1997 Civic DX had 160,000 miles on the original clutch, but uh, sure.
It started feeling a lot worse a few weeks ago, so I booked an appointment at my friend’s shop, because I’d much rather give him the business.
He looked at it on 9/12 and confirmed it was bad. He was going to get the parts on 9/13. On Tuesday morning, when he went into whichever system he uses (the same one he had been in the day before), the TSB popped up.
He called me back, told me about it, and then called my dealer to see if they were aware of it. They hadn’t seen it yet, but it came up in their system and they told him to have us call and make an appointment. Then he put my car back together, because he was just about to receive the parts and get working on it.
Called the dealer, set up the appointment, went out to my friend’s place to get the car and drove it to Honda. Had a new clutch by the next afternoon, no charge.
This isn’t a recall, so I can’t imagine that anyone who had previously had this fixed while the rest of the drivetrain was under warranty would have any way of finding out about it. But they should reimburse you if you go back to them and ask about it.
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In case anyone is still watching this thread…
If you had your 2020 or 2021 Civic clutch replaced while the rest of the drivetrain was still under warranty, you should go back and talk to your dealer.
Honda issued a technical service bulletin on 9/5/2022 that applies to ALL 2020 and 2021 manual transmission Civics, wherein the clutch/flywheel/etc are now covered under the drivetrain warranty because of a production issue.
We have a 2020 Civic Sport, around 24k miles on it. Started to feel the clutch slipping in July, so we took it to our dealer. He confirmed that the clutch was bad, that it’s not covered under warranty because it’s a wear item, and that we might want to drive it for a while until it gets worse. I asked how a clutch with 24k could already fail, and of course he said it must be how we’re driving. My 1997 Civic DX had 160,000 miles on the original clutch, but uh, sure.
It started feeling a lot worse a few weeks ago, so I booked an appointment at my friend’s shop, because I’d much rather give him the business.
He looked at it on 9/12 and confirmed it was bad. He was going to get the parts on 9/13. On Tuesday morning, when he went into whichever system he uses (the same one he had been in the day before), the TSB popped up.
He called me back, told me about it, and then called my dealer to see if they were aware of it. They hadn’t seen it yet, but it came up in their system and they told him to have us call and make an appointment. Then he put my car back together, because he was just about to receive the parts and get working on it.
Called the dealer, set up the appointment, went out to my friend’s place to get the car and drove it to Honda. Had a new clutch by the next afternoon, no charge.
This isn’t a recall, so I can’t imagine that anyone who had previously had this fixed while the rest of the drivetrain was under warranty would have any way of finding out about it. But they should reimburse you if you go back to them and ask about it.
If you had your 2020 or 2021 Civic clutch replaced while the rest of the drivetrain was still under warranty, you should go back and talk to your dealer.
Honda issued a technical service bulletin on 9/5/2022 that applies to ALL 2020 and 2021 manual transmission Civics, wherein the clutch/flywheel/etc are now covered under the drivetrain warranty because of a production issue.
We have a 2020 Civic Sport, around 24k miles on it. Started to feel the clutch slipping in July, so we took it to our dealer. He confirmed that the clutch was bad, that it’s not covered under warranty because it’s a wear item, and that we might want to drive it for a while until it gets worse. I asked how a clutch with 24k could already fail, and of course he said it must be how we’re driving. My 1997 Civic DX had 160,000 miles on the original clutch, but uh, sure.
It started feeling a lot worse a few weeks ago, so I booked an appointment at my friend’s shop, because I’d much rather give him the business.
He looked at it on 9/12 and confirmed it was bad. He was going to get the parts on 9/13. On Tuesday morning, when he went into whichever system he uses (the same one he had been in the day before), the TSB popped up.
He called me back, told me about it, and then called my dealer to see if they were aware of it. They hadn’t seen it yet, but it came up in their system and they told him to have us call and make an appointment. Then he put my car back together, because he was just about to receive the parts and get working on it.
Called the dealer, set up the appointment, went out to my friend’s place to get the car and drove it to Honda. Had a new clutch by the next afternoon, no charge.
This isn’t a recall, so I can’t imagine that anyone who had previously had this fixed while the rest of the drivetrain was under warranty would have any way of finding out about it. But they should reimburse you if you go back to them and ask about it.
Hi, Thank you for posting this information. I called my dealer and this is the response I got. I called the Honda number listed above and she insisted there was nothing attached to my VIN so there was nothing wrong with my car. I told her it was a technical service bulletin issued 9/5/2022 that applies to ALL 2020 and 2021 manual transmissions. She said that it didn't apply to my car because it would be listed and it isn't. She said i needed to provide her with the TSB number for her to even look into it. That the date it was issued isn't enough. Can you provide the number? Thank you so much for making me aware of this. Jen
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Hi, Thank you for posting this information. I called my dealer and this is the response I got. I called the Honda number listed above and she insisted there was nothing attached to my VIN so there was nothing wrong with my car. I told her it was a technical service bulletin issued 9/5/2022 that applies to ALL 2020 and 2021 manual transmissions. She said that it didn't apply to my car because it would be listed and it isn't. She said i needed to provide her with the TSB number for her to even look into it. That the date it was issued isn't enough. Can you provide the number? Thank you so much for making me aware of this. Jen
