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I don't know what the hell you saw on speedvision, but I know a thing or two about the SRT-4.

Is a picture of the SRT interior with a power window switch enough to convince you? Right below this guy's hand. You'll notice that this particular car is optioned with the side airbags, and thus, doesn't have the viper seats, but stock neon R/T seats.



Having *driven* the car ( a red one at neon 2002 without the side airbags); and as an avid autocrosser I think it's safe for me to say that it handles pretty well, at least as well as an ACR on street tires. As for the road noise, i didn't really notice, although the exhaust was impressive sounding for a stock car (considering it only has a turbo, a cat and a resonator).

 
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o man thats one ugly interior

 
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No, THIS is an ugly interior:


Can anyone guess what this is?

 
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Sadboy's car???

 
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Omni GLH

 
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that interior is ugly, but it looks like its some old *** car, so i wouldn't compare it to the new neon interior ( which doesn't look that bad, looks a little like the protege interior, the center dash especially )

but i have no clue what that car is, old civic or accord ?[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]

 
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On the same hand, I have YET to meet a single neon owner in my life that wasn't some punk or prissy biatch. So by the same logic as you stated, I should be able to say all neon owners are one of those two kinds of people.

 
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You've now said the most idiotic and uneducated statement of the millenium. "maybe they wanted useable power band and some torque". Give me a break, and get a clue. The RSX has plenty of steam to beat many sport compacts out there from 1000rpm on up.

 
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Ya know, i've pretty much felt the same way about a whole lot of neon owners; why i even mentioned that a paragraph later. But, however, my logic you quoted about civic owners did include concessions to the people that I am friends with with civics, as well as people I haven't met who are cool about things.

 
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See, I don't think all neon owners are that way. But I think a few bad apples ruin it for the rest of us with either car.

 
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ehhh, like what? the WRX? SRT-4? Spec V? Dont think i can think of too many current "sport compacts" that will be beaten off idle by an RSX except for other Hondas. And apparently, its not enough to put it ahead of the SRT4 either performance or value wise.

 
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I'd love to see a WRX, RSX-S, spec V, cavalier, sunfire, neon, saturn, etc, all go from a 1000rpm roll to say 40mph. I'm willing to bet the RSX will take the majorit of those. I think the WRX would be the toughest challenge..... then again, it doesn't even make full boost in 1st gear. The spec V will not, as I've seen/participated in such a race in person. Line two people up, idling along in 1st.... mash the gas. The RSX-S lead through 45mph the whole way.

 
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No I'm not. Also it wasn't a test for car whose dash I would most like to molest of the year.

 
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Come on let's not kid ourselves here. You're an S2000 owner. Out of all people, you should know that all the power is way up not down.

 
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Yes, the power is up top, but it doesnt' mean it's weak below 6000rpm. Do you honestly believe what people tell you? That the S2000 is no better than a civic before 6000rpm? Well those people would be wrong. People try to say the S2000 isn't a good daily driver. But it has plenty of power down low to be one. In fact, most times I can give 1/2 throttle and shift at 4500rpm and EASILY leave "normal" accelerating traffic well behind me. If you take an S2000 and even an RSX or Prelude or WRX, etc and floor them both off the line from 1000rpm, as stated in the above scenario, the S2000 WILL PULL even before it hits 6000rpm in 1st gear. But does it have the down low grunt like that of an LS1? No. Now run the same scenario against other roadsters, and the S2000 will still hold it's own. The boxster or audi TT, or mercedes SLK will maybe get a car length, but after that, the S2000 will be right there, or will pass them.

As for power up top, I'm glad the power is where it is. That means that when I race, I am always in my power band. I redline, then shift, and stay well within my "top end" power band.

Don't jump on the "no torque, no power down low" band wagon. It will make you sound like a fool to those of us that know better than the sheep that spout that crap.

 
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On the other hand though, cars like the cavalier and sunfire have a very low peak torque and a lot more of it than the RSX, and (in our hypotehtical race here) would more than likely initially jump out ahead of the RSX until the RSX got into VTEC and the j-bodes went into 2nd gear. By 40 the RSX would undoubtedly be ahead though. The neon would also make a good showing for itself in 1st and at the beginning of it's unusually short 2nd gear and would also likely come out ahead of the j-bodies at 40, although i don't think at any point it'd be ahead of the RSX. The SRT-4 we *were* discussing would pull like a train and then blow a headgasket, all while having $200 drop off the resale value.

Personally I like the powerband of engines like the F20/K20, they're very short gearing friendly... but the SRT's powerband has it's merits as well, lol.

 
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Now imagine if they'd made the new neon RWD. lol There's your traction problem fixed. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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They were supposed to do that in the form of the razor, but they canned it AFAIK. I heard a rumor that it might come out naturally aspirated though because it would almost step on the viper's toes, and we can't have that can we? I'll believe that one when i read something official though.

 
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whatever happened to that thing? it sounded so good, although at the promised 16K sticker i highly doubted it.

 
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I agree... it would have been nice to see the domestic market come out with a decent roadster, other than the vette. (which is one of the best)

Saturn has a "roadster" coming out.... but it's a joke.

I'll have a review and photo later.

 
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actually I've seen a pic ot two and it doesn't LOOK all that bad ...but i have no idea about power .....I believe its a two seater roadster as well ....no sure though

 
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It's a 180hp 2.2 liter supercharged ecotec engine.

But though they call it a roadster... by definition it's not.

Roadsters are RWD, and this beast is FWD.