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the 2003 Dodge Neon SRT-4....

according to sport compact car magazine.



(although it does push 223 horses and 0-60 is 5.8)

 
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Yea i saw that issue, i was very disheartened but it is faster than ours so there isnt much i can say

 
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Speechless [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-nono.gif[/IMG]

 
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Yeah I know. As much as SCC blows their load all over the RSX, I was surprised they didnt give it to that instead. Oh well.



Joel

 
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It (the RSX) beats it (the SRT) in the looks department at least. (IMO)

 
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How can it be voted the "car of the year" when the damn thing has not even been if production that long?? For all they know it may get 200 recalls and be a huge sh.it box

~nick~

 
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Its the most bang for the buck, thats for sure. I think that's a good reason. Only like $2-3k more than my Civic, and turbo with warranty.... not a bad deal.

 
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you know why its so cheap, its b/c its build very cheap there is not even power windows available. speed vision did a review on it they said its very noisy and the seats are way to hard ect ect

 
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i dont understand that, i figured the rsx-s would get it, oh well

INJEN

 
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Why, oh why

 
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yea but overall i heard that the interior looks like ****... the gear shifting is very rigid and "clanky"... it doesn't have automatic windows... no a/c so basically all you pay for is what's under the hood... it's a turbo mitsu motor right?

 
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well as far as i know dodge and mitsubishi are the same motors, as far as turbo i would think so..

INJEN

 
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and the jealousy begins ......

 
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I think SCC choice of the Neon SRT was right on the money. For the money you can't buy a NEW car that is faster. Plus that is all mitsibishi, dsm...remember them. Good call SCC.

 
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i can understand why they chose it, SCC is a magazine all about car performance and such, not like car and driver which looks at the entire car to judge its decisions on whats good and whats not. so as far as performance goes, the srt-4 seems pretty fast for the money, enough said.

speaking of car and driver, anyone still wonder why the ford focus is on car and drivers 10 best list along with those other GOOD cars?

 
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Agreed

 
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They are looking at bang for the buck. They don't consider reliability, resale, quality, etc...just how does it perform when I put my foot down and take it around a track type thing.

 
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a.c is not even a option on it cmon your paying for an engine and im not a big domestic basher but i bet it wont last very long at all and the re-sale will be horrible

 
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Since I'm probably the only person with firsthand experience behind the wheel of the SRT-4, allow me to add my own responses.
<font color=white style="background-color: 3E3E3E;">The chrysler 2.4 turbo is not a mitsubishi engine.</font ft>
<font color=white style="background-color: 3E3E3E;">The shifter is a mopar performance part; It's "rigid and clanky" like any other short shifter. I think the neon has one of the best shifters of any small car i've driven, especially the mopar performance version.</font ft>
<font color=white style="background-color: 3E3E3E;">The SRT has power windows and air conditioning, the only option is side airbags.</font ft>
<font color=white style="background-color: 3E3E3E;">The Integra type R was the same way, "loud", "hard seats" etc. I'm sure you'd all be jacking off if the R was car of the year instead. The SRT seats are out of the viper parts bin, they're as nice as any momos or recaros.</font ft>
<font color=white style="background-color: 3E3E3E;">It's sport compact car, NOT consumer reports</font ft>
<font color=white style="background-color: 3E3E3E;">Now, how long is not a long time? 100000 miles? 200000? I have a turbo chrysler car with 170000 miles and 15 years on the original engine. And the only people that seem to give a **** about resale value are the people with civics looking for something they can pick at. I certainly don't buy a car with plans to sell it already!</font ft>

-M

 
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american magazine = american best car

enf said.

 
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Well, I completely disagree with their choice.


First off, the car isn't even out yet. No production SRT-4 is on the streets as of yet, as far as I know. So basically they just rated it on their ONE time they had the car, and all the rest is hype. Poor decision.

Secondly, it seems as if all they were concerned with in naming "sport compact of the year", was what happened when you mashed the gas. what about the other things that should go with "sport compact of the year"? Handling, build quality, resale, sportiness, looks, fun, features, options, history, etc. The title wasn't "best bang for the buck" It was "best sport compact".

That's why I think they made a crappy decision.

 
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[hr]Originally posted by: Neonmike
That is very true. However, I think most people consider more than just performance. Take the focus for instance. It's on the top 10 list of some mag yet one might blow-up while sitting at a stoplight - poking a little fun. So, who cares if the car hauls **** but has frequent problems, terrible durability, low quality, etc.? I am not saying the srt will, just that most people tend to care.

But yeah, it's SCC, strap a 200hp motor to a roller skate and make it cheap..that's what they want. They could careless about the other sheit. Refer prior paragraph.

Umm...Most people do consider resale value when purchasing a car. No educated consumer wants to buy a car that is going to depreciate faster than today's newspaper, which is pretty typical of american cars in general. Also, don't stereotype civic owners. You may as well put almost every honda AND toyota owner in the group when you talk about resale. Ask those millions of people why they bought their honda or toyota. You'll go home after the first 10 people.

Lastly, lets not talk about your one or 2 cars, or even 5 cars. Let me explain my point by example; Thousands of people die of cigarette smoking related problems every year. Yea, my aunt smoked until she died when she was 90. My grandfather smoked until he died 78. What's my point? Yea, there are exceptions but they in no way refute that in general if you smoke, you will most likely die of it. Get my point. You need a stronger argument if you want to be the slightest bit convincing.

 
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SCC must have been paid off by Chryler/Dodge

SCC contradicts itself on so many different occasions, it's appaling.

 
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Why not? When discussing performance aspects, resale value is often brought up by the stereotypical civic as a redeeming factor for the civic, despite it being heavily outclassed by whatever the competing car is. Same with reliability, we don't live in the 1980s anymore, often a car with crappy reliability nowadays is better than the most reliable cars in the 80s. I've always been "told" by the stereotypical civic owner that my neon should have fallen apart at least a year ago. That obviously isin't the case. Same with "yeah, well my civic looks better" and the list goes on and on. Obviously not EVERYONE that owns a civic is a blind, brand-loyal asshat but there sure do seem like a lot of them.

I realize that the average consumer that purchases a car is likely to be influenced by resale value. However, that has never influenced my purchase and while my car inevitably has lost resale value, by the time i choose to sell it i will have more than gotten my money's worth to the point where it matters little to me. Obviously that reflects in my opinion.

I can stereotype neon owners too, they tend to think that civics, and hondas in general are slow and crappy. This is obviously far from the case as civics are nice cars, and are typically very reliable. They also tend to disregard any advantages that VTEC might offer, or talk down as if VTEC engines are "weak", despite DOHC VTEC being a fantastic performance option; certianly one that i wish i had available to me.

-M &lt;--- Sick of close minded brand loyalists

 
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Sereously, that wouldn't suprise me. I'm sick of all the over-hype around the SRT, and at the same time I'm sick of all the people trashing it. It's a tough position to be in.

 
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All I have to say is there are far better car mags out there than SCC. Just because one mag voted it their top car doesn't mean everyone should rejoice over it obviously, and they don't have to.

 
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neonmike no the neon does not come with power windows speedvision did a whole section on it. they also said there is way to much road noise and it does not handle good enough for the asking price. speed visions words not mine

 
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Why are you all crying? Boo hoo, the RSX didn't make it. I guess they actually picked a car with a usable powerband and some torque.

 
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your joking right? anyways the rsx-s was not even on their list