S2000 is a bad word...
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S2000 is a bad word...
at the Nissan dealer. OMG, they do not want to hear S2000 at all. They just shake their head and change the subject.
The story goes as follows:
Me and my buddy from work went in at lunch time to take a spin in a Maxima. (BTW: Damn nice car and it really has some *****... enough to stuff you into the seats
255 HP and 246 lb-ft)
But we got back to the dealer and of course the guy has to rant about the Z. He goes rambling on about how great the Z is and that you can't buy a sports car for that cheap... starts rattling off the Z3, Boxster, TT, etc... and neglects to mention the S2K. So of course, I feel obligated to put the words in his mouth[IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG] "Well, yeah, theres all those euro things, but an S2000 is 32000 and would run a Z."
Sales guy: (head shake) Followed by "So have a seat, and lets take a look at your Maxima."
They realize they missed something when they designed the Z
The story goes as follows:
Me and my buddy from work went in at lunch time to take a spin in a Maxima. (BTW: Damn nice car and it really has some *****... enough to stuff you into the seats
255 HP and 246 lb-ft)But we got back to the dealer and of course the guy has to rant about the Z. He goes rambling on about how great the Z is and that you can't buy a sports car for that cheap... starts rattling off the Z3, Boxster, TT, etc... and neglects to mention the S2K. So of course, I feel obligated to put the words in his mouth[IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG] "Well, yeah, theres all those euro things, but an S2000 is 32000 and would run a Z."
Sales guy: (head shake) Followed by "So have a seat, and lets take a look at your Maxima."
They realize they missed something when they designed the Z
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[hr]Originally posted by: nytejade
It costs less than the S2k and is significantly faster.
What exactly was poorly designed in the Z? You can't make statements like that and not back them up.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: nytejade
It costs less than the S2k and is significantly faster.
What exactly was poorly designed in the Z? You can't make statements like that and not back them up.[hr]
However, they have no objection to openly talking about and slamming the TL and CL Type S's when it comes to looking at midsized sporty cars.
If you really want to know... the only thing I really think was poorly designed was the fact that it weighs almost 3400 lbs. I think it can go on a diet, they've pulled too many parts from the parts bin and it can probably benefit from some more Z-only lightweight components.
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Rep Power: 0 The new Z is bad-*** and more of a well-rounded car. The 300z was a heavy car as is the Skyline series...talk to me about how they should put the GTR Skyline on a diet! Not too many people can drive these cars at the limit so the cars balance is only useful on a track.....that again is a small # of the people who own these cars....everyone else is on the crap-assity roads that will get you in the woods with either of these cars if you try to drive them that hard.
I think the s2000 is a great car, but it's as useful as a MR2 as far as carrying anything. The Z has a pretty decent storage area that you might get a few sets of clubs or luggage in. If I had either of these you can believe I'd be driving it far enough to carry luggage and such. Also, at about 6'0" and 210 the seats are so snug that I'm just not as comfortable in the S2000. The last deciding factor is that the S2000 is great with it's top off...but it looks like *** with either the soft or hard top on....looks like they designed it as an afterthought..anyways, just my thoughts [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
I think the s2000 is a great car, but it's as useful as a MR2 as far as carrying anything. The Z has a pretty decent storage area that you might get a few sets of clubs or luggage in. If I had either of these you can believe I'd be driving it far enough to carry luggage and such. Also, at about 6'0" and 210 the seats are so snug that I'm just not as comfortable in the S2000. The last deciding factor is that the S2000 is great with it's top off...but it looks like *** with either the soft or hard top on....looks like they designed it as an afterthought..anyways, just my thoughts [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
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[hr]Originally posted by: Boilermaker1
I did not say it was "poorly designed"... It just seems that they overlooked the fact that the S2000 is hanging around at the same price and performance level, and they leave that out of their statements. The Z is not significantly faster than the S2000 (perhaps 1/10 sec in a 1/4, so take 5 runs and it'll be a toss up), as far as cornering, they're virtually the same as well. Not to mention the S2000 has damn near dead neutral handling while the Z does have a mild push. It's more of a marketing screw up than a design error. They think so highly of the Z that they relate it to expensive european roadsters that shouldn't really be catigorized with the Z. It's not really the same kind of car. They obviously realize now that the S2000 can give a Z a run for the money, so I guess they don't want to put the idea of it into a potential buyer's head. It's just funny that they don't want to hear it.
However, they have no objection to openly talking about and slamming the TL and CL Type S's when it comes to looking at midsized sporty cars.
If you really want to know... the only thing I really think was poorly designed was the fact that it weighs almost 3400 lbs. I think it can go on a diet, they've pulled too many parts from the parts bin and it can probably benefit from some more Z-only lightweight components.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Boilermaker1
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[hr]Originally posted by: nytejade
It costs less than the S2k and is significantly faster.
What exactly was poorly designed in the Z? You can't make statements like that and not back them up.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: nytejade
It costs less than the S2k and is significantly faster.
What exactly was poorly designed in the Z? You can't make statements like that and not back them up.[hr]
However, they have no objection to openly talking about and slamming the TL and CL Type S's when it comes to looking at midsized sporty cars.
If you really want to know... the only thing I really think was poorly designed was the fact that it weighs almost 3400 lbs. I think it can go on a diet, they've pulled too many parts from the parts bin and it can probably benefit from some more Z-only lightweight components.[hr]
I'll definitely agree with you about the weight. I don't know what it is about Nissan Z's that make them so god damned heavy. They've been that heavy forever. I had an 86 and an 87 coupe. Their curb weights are up near 2 tons (about 4,000 lbs) That's just insane for a car that small. I think it's the body. Nissan tends to use strong body paneling as where hondas are extremely flimsy. Besides the Z is a boat compared to the s2000. It's a large car.
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Rep Power: 332 I Have driven a MR2 spyder, S2k, kompressor, and a z3 (have a friend at local import dealer) but they wont let me drive the new Z, Id realy like to drive one just to see how it compares to the others... BTW the s2k was the best car out of the ones I mentioned.
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Seeing as the base model and track model Z have the exact same drivetrain and powerplant; The only thing giving the track model an advantage over the base in a straight line is better rubber on the 18" forged wheels it comes with. Even with that, it probably doesn't amount to nearly as much as much speed as you think.... and nice way to address us all as newbster, lol. peace
Seeing as the base model and track model Z have the exact same drivetrain and powerplant; The only thing giving the track model an advantage over the base in a straight line is better rubber on the 18" forged wheels it comes with. Even with that, it probably doesn't amount to nearly as much as much speed as you think.... and nice way to address us all as newbster, lol. peace
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Rep Power: 401 I believe that the base model is actually one of the quickest straightline, due to less weight. but who knows. you could always research it over on my350z.com they are pretty nice people over there.
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Rep Power: 0 Lets just leave it at this....
S2000 is an amazing piece of machinery.
350Z is an amazing piece of machinery.
Nissan is jealous of the S2000 because even though its not technically in the same "class" of vehicle as the 350Z, It is a potential threat to a new buyer because of the similarities in power output and price range.
Honda is jealous of the 350Z because it matches their best to offer (some models even costing less) and can still afford to provide the creature comforts one would expect from a more expensive luxury roadster.
Both turns heads and get plenty of O faces (yes, 4th year in production and the S2000 still distracts me when i see one)
Honda IS playing it safe and keeping the S2000 unchanged for its 4th year of production and in some ways that is good as far as older years retaining more resale value, but with the introduction of the new 350Z and G35 coupes Honda needs to reevaluate their position on providing factory performance options. (Even GM is now selling jackson racing superchargers for older model cavaliers and so on.....)
Its still all a matter of personal preference.
S2000 is an amazing piece of machinery.
350Z is an amazing piece of machinery.
Nissan is jealous of the S2000 because even though its not technically in the same "class" of vehicle as the 350Z, It is a potential threat to a new buyer because of the similarities in power output and price range.
Honda is jealous of the 350Z because it matches their best to offer (some models even costing less) and can still afford to provide the creature comforts one would expect from a more expensive luxury roadster.
Both turns heads and get plenty of O faces (yes, 4th year in production and the S2000 still distracts me when i see one)
Honda IS playing it safe and keeping the S2000 unchanged for its 4th year of production and in some ways that is good as far as older years retaining more resale value, but with the introduction of the new 350Z and G35 coupes Honda needs to reevaluate their position on providing factory performance options. (Even GM is now selling jackson racing superchargers for older model cavaliers and so on.....)
Its still all a matter of personal preference.
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[hr]Originally posted by: OmegaBlue2k1
Lets just leave it at this....
S2000 is an amazing piece of machinery.
350Z is an amazing piece of machinery.
Nissan is jealous of the S2000 because even though its not technically in the same "class" of vehicle as the 350Z, It is a potential threat to a new buyer because of the similarities in power output and price range.
Honda is jealous of the 350Z because it matches their best to offer (some models even costing less) and can still afford to provide the creature comforts one would expect from a more expensive luxury roadster.
Both turns heads and get plenty of O faces (yes, 4th year in production and the S2000 still distracts me when i see one)
Honda IS playing it safe and keeping the S2000 unchanged for its 4th year of production and in some ways that is good as far as older years retaining more resale value, but with the introduction of the new 350Z and G35 coupes Honda needs to reevaluate their position on providing factory performance options. (Even GM is now selling jackson racing superchargers for older model cavaliers and so on.....)
Its still all a matter of personal preference.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: OmegaBlue2k1
Lets just leave it at this....
S2000 is an amazing piece of machinery.
350Z is an amazing piece of machinery.
Nissan is jealous of the S2000 because even though its not technically in the same "class" of vehicle as the 350Z, It is a potential threat to a new buyer because of the similarities in power output and price range.
Honda is jealous of the 350Z because it matches their best to offer (some models even costing less) and can still afford to provide the creature comforts one would expect from a more expensive luxury roadster.
Both turns heads and get plenty of O faces (yes, 4th year in production and the S2000 still distracts me when i see one)
Honda IS playing it safe and keeping the S2000 unchanged for its 4th year of production and in some ways that is good as far as older years retaining more resale value, but with the introduction of the new 350Z and G35 coupes Honda needs to reevaluate their position on providing factory performance options. (Even GM is now selling jackson racing superchargers for older model cavaliers and so on.....)
Its still all a matter of personal preference.[hr]
All a matter of personal preference! 
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Rep Power: 0 My Dad's friends' nephew was recently given a 350Z Track model for a Christmas bonus! This guy is only 26 yrs old and is a manager at a computer company in San Diego County that makes computer racks. He is now the envy of many onlookers on the road. He was recently married and his wife was telling my parents how he gets looked at by so many women when cruising in this car. Jeez, I'm going to have to find out what company he's working for. If he's getting a 350Z for being a manager then I'm sure that the company gives nice cash bonuses to its "lower-end" employees. So, he wasn't given an S2000 but why the hell would anyone care when its free! S2000 or 350Z...If I had to choose it would be tough but I wouldn't complain.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]
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[hr]Originally posted by: OmegaBlue2k1
Lets just leave it at this....
S2000 is an amazing piece of machinery.
350Z is an amazing piece of machinery.
Nissan is jealous of the S2000 because even though its not technically in the same "class" of vehicle as the 350Z, It is a potential threat to a new buyer because of the similarities in power output and price range.
Honda is jealous of the 350Z because it matches their best to offer (some models even costing less) and can still afford to provide the creature comforts one would expect from a more expensive luxury roadster.
Both turns heads and get plenty of O faces (yes, 4th year in production and the S2000 still distracts me when i see one)
Honda IS playing it safe and keeping the S2000 unchanged for its 4th year of production and in some ways that is good as far as older years retaining more resale value, but with the introduction of the new 350Z and G35 coupes Honda needs to reevaluate their position on providing factory performance options. (Even GM is now selling jackson racing superchargers for older model cavaliers and so on.....)
Its still all a matter of personal preference.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: OmegaBlue2k1
Lets just leave it at this....
S2000 is an amazing piece of machinery.
350Z is an amazing piece of machinery.
Nissan is jealous of the S2000 because even though its not technically in the same "class" of vehicle as the 350Z, It is a potential threat to a new buyer because of the similarities in power output and price range.
Honda is jealous of the 350Z because it matches their best to offer (some models even costing less) and can still afford to provide the creature comforts one would expect from a more expensive luxury roadster.
Both turns heads and get plenty of O faces (yes, 4th year in production and the S2000 still distracts me when i see one)
Honda IS playing it safe and keeping the S2000 unchanged for its 4th year of production and in some ways that is good as far as older years retaining more resale value, but with the introduction of the new 350Z and G35 coupes Honda needs to reevaluate their position on providing factory performance options. (Even GM is now selling jackson racing superchargers for older model cavaliers and so on.....)
Its still all a matter of personal preference.[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: Civicster
for all u newbster
the nissan z base model is not faster than the s2000.
the track model however is faster but cost more...[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Civicster
for all u newbster
the nissan z base model is not faster than the s2000.
the track model however is faster but cost more...[hr]
i prefer the G35 Coupe over the 350. looks wise anyway. Those door handles on the Z just don't look right. I believe the G35 is a little less HP, but I am told all you need to do to get the same HP is swap the computer from a Z.
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Rep Power: 0 The Z is awesome. Man, I was checking out the Z at a Nissan dealership as my friend was renegotiating his lease on his SE-R Spec V. Nice seats, the V is pushed way back towards the middle of the car, and it looks sweet.
The S2k on the other hand is 2700 lbs and at 240hp, it's a more civilized yet enigmatic car as most people driving like granny wouldn't push the s2k to its full limits like it's supposed to be on the track.
My verdict is that they're both good cars. I used to be big on Nissans but Honda's are starting to grow on me.
The S2k on the other hand is 2700 lbs and at 240hp, it's a more civilized yet enigmatic car as most people driving like granny wouldn't push the s2k to its full limits like it's supposed to be on the track.
My verdict is that they're both good cars. I used to be big on Nissans but Honda's are starting to grow on me.
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