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Do you own a Hyundai?
Hyundai lied to Canadians
by Phil Edmonston
Horsepower is one of the primary reasons why people choose one vehicle over another when they go shopping. Now we learn that Hyundai has been systematically lying to its customers from 1992 to 2002 in falsely stating horsepower ratings for its entire lineup of vehicles.
I believe Hyundai makes some good cars, but its ethics stink! There is no way the company will ever convince me their 10-year charade was an oversight. Look at the facts: 1.3 million vehicles advertised with false horsepower ratings - the worst case is 1997 to 1998 Sonatas with actual horsepower of 125, but a published number of 137, a 9.6% falsehood. When caught by Canadian regulators, Hyundai said false ratings were an "oversight"
Now that the jig is up, Hyundai is offering owners an extended warranty or road aid if the false rating tops 4%. Who are their advisors, Enron or Tyco?
Hyundai should give owners the choice of taking their cars back for a 100% refund and give them a cash settlement equal to the percentage of the false horsepower claim. For example, a 4% exaggeration on a $10,000 car would result in a $400 refund. A $20,000 Sonata with a 9% falsehood would be eligible to receive an $1,800 refund.
Hyundai has to do more. If Hyundai doesn't act quickly, the courts will. Already the lawyers are circling in the water.
by Phil Edmonston
Horsepower is one of the primary reasons why people choose one vehicle over another when they go shopping. Now we learn that Hyundai has been systematically lying to its customers from 1992 to 2002 in falsely stating horsepower ratings for its entire lineup of vehicles.
I believe Hyundai makes some good cars, but its ethics stink! There is no way the company will ever convince me their 10-year charade was an oversight. Look at the facts: 1.3 million vehicles advertised with false horsepower ratings - the worst case is 1997 to 1998 Sonatas with actual horsepower of 125, but a published number of 137, a 9.6% falsehood. When caught by Canadian regulators, Hyundai said false ratings were an "oversight"
Now that the jig is up, Hyundai is offering owners an extended warranty or road aid if the false rating tops 4%. Who are their advisors, Enron or Tyco?
Hyundai should give owners the choice of taking their cars back for a 100% refund and give them a cash settlement equal to the percentage of the false horsepower claim. For example, a 4% exaggeration on a $10,000 car would result in a $400 refund. A $20,000 Sonata with a 9% falsehood would be eligible to receive an $1,800 refund.
Hyundai has to do more. If Hyundai doesn't act quickly, the courts will. Already the lawyers are circling in the water.
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yeah it sucks. over-rated hp ratings.
bad for business yo.
but I'm sure they'll pull through, they're getting better.
yeah it sucks. over-rated hp ratings.
bad for business yo.
but I'm sure they'll pull through, they're getting better.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Jochij
im sorry to tell u but all companies do that go and get ur civic dyno and see wat its really pulling in hp.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Jochij
im sorry to tell u but all companies do that go and get ur civic dyno and see wat its really pulling in hp.[hr]
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exactly, the HP reading advertised is at the flywheel. My old altima's engine was advertized at 150hp. After intake and exhaust the HP was around 120hp at the wheels.
Look at riceburnerex's dyno sheet. I think it says his HP to the wheels was like 101.
Look at riceburnerex's dyno sheet. I think it says his HP to the wheels was like 101. 
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[hr]Originally posted by: CivicRyder
Can you say "metal cans?"
[IMG]www.automobilemag.com/ other/869.html[/IMG][hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: CivicRyder
Can you say "metal cans?"
[IMG]www.automobilemag.com/ other/869.html[/IMG][hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: watewate
Hyundai is not as bad as Nissan.
that's all I have to say.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: watewate
Hyundai is not as bad as Nissan.
that's all I have to say.[hr]
eh... i'll take a nissan over hyundai anyday
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Rep Power: 0 They weren't lying intentionally. The Canadian plant was building the same engines as the Korean(?) plant. They used the same ratings as Hyundai published out of Korea. The quality of parts and/or build process at the Canadian plant resulted in fewer horsepower unbeknownst to them.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Voiceofid
eh... i'll take a nissan over hyundai anyday[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: watewate
Hyundai is not as bad as Nissan.
that's all I have to say.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: watewate
Hyundai is not as bad as Nissan.
that's all I have to say.[hr]
eh... i'll take a nissan over hyundai anyday[hr]
the point of my reply was Nissan is just as bad as Hyundai when it comes to 'advertised crank HP' figures.
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Rep Power: 0 Such crappy carsMaybe that is why the are the only car company that has a warrenty for 10 years because they SUCK! They look nasty too[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-puke.gif[/IMG]
Maybe that is why the are the only car company that has a warrenty for 10 years because they SUCK! They look nasty too[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-puke.gif[/IMG] 
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