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Inca, possibly could be due to:

1.) Many cops don't like imports
2.) Through observation, I have found that more imports have modified exhauts than do domestic vehicles. This increases the probability for an officer to stop an import.

I could care less what the car is that I stop. I stop a car because of an observed violation; not because of my personal feelings in regard to that particular model.

 
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I have the DC TCS, and it is NOT loud. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif[/IMG]
It's quieter than alot of ugly stock mobiles out there.

 
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<< Inca, possibly could be due to:

1.) Many cops don't like imports
2.) Through observation, I have found that more imports have modified exhauts than do domestic vehicles. This increases the probability for an officer to stop an import.

I could care less what the car is that I stop. I stop a car because of an observed violation; not because of my personal feelings in regard to that particular model. >>



could you explain why

<< many cops dont like imports >>

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And you cant tell me that there are not alot of domestics with aftermarket exhausts out there. I would say the percentage is closer to 50 percent are imports and 50 percents are domestics.

 
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As you are probably aware, the types of vehicles driven by a population varies by geographic location. You can't assert that peoples vehicle preferences are the same all over the US. By me, it would be incorrect to assert that out of all vehicles equipped with an aftermarket exhaust half are domestic and half are import--while it is true for your location, it is not for mine.

I can't speak for others cop, but many cops do not like imports. I'm not talking about the guys on my squad--many of them have Maximas, Accords, and a few BMWs and like me, are not partial to any type of vehicle. Troopers on the other hand seem to go after imports from what I have observed.

 
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Bottom line, this business of ticketing for loud exhaust seems to me is very subjective all over the country...officers like QCKSILVR (no disrespect or offense meant), who will summons anyone with what he perceives to be a loud exhaust just perpetuate this condition.

This should be handled objectively, rather than subjectively, for there are specific laws in every state regarding the acceptable decibel level of exhaust--whether stock or after-market. The notion that police can, and do, go about ticketing people based on their subjective perception is not only ridiculous but counter-productive as well.
How can they realistically hope to have laws objectively obeyed if they will not enforce them thus?

I am in no way anti-police and do appreciate very much the job they have to perform, oftentimes at great risk to themselves. Episodes like the guy getting ticketed for a supposedly "loud" exhaust when it is a 50-state legal system (yes, I know this to be a fact) just underscore the need for better, more objective enforcement of the law and, at worst, create animosity and distrust for law enforcement officers.

 
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An EASY way to get out of the ticket is to find out the Decibel rating thats allowed by the state you're in...get a decibel reader and test it on your exhaust. If you're exhaust is less than the legal rating which is usually around 90 then you're free of a ticket.

 
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We can all tell if something is loud, whether it is someone talking loud, music being played loud, or an exaust that it too loud. The law says "harsh and unreasonable." I believe I can make that distinction as can most other ordinary people. When a car has a VERY VERY VERY loud exhaust that sounds like Hiroshima when the person accelerates, I consider that "harsh and unreasonable."

 
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<< We can all tell if something is loud, whether it is someone talking loud, music being played loud, or an exaust that it too loud. The law says "harsh and unreasonable." I believe I can make that distinction as can most other ordinary people. When a car has a VERY VERY VERY loud exhaust that sounds like Hiroshima when the person accelerates, I consider that "harsh and unreasonable." >>



BULLSH!T, it is not up to you or any other officer to enforce a law based on your own perception of what constitutes a loud exhaust. There are clear and specific laws about this in the books:

NY motor vehicle exhaust noise emissions standards. Noticde the part where it's specified how these standards are to be measured and implemented:

24-232 Motor vehicles.
(a) No person shall operate or permit to be operated any motor vehicle at any time or under any condition whatsoever, induding but not limited to grade, load, idling, velocity, acceleration or deceleration, in such manner as to exceed the sound levels set out in either column I or column II of table I below, measured as follows: the sound levels listed in column I shall be measured by a sound level meter placed at a distance of fifty feet plus or minus two feet from the center of the lane of the public highway in which the motor vehicle is idling or is traveling within the speed limits specified in this section; the sound levels listed in column II shall be measured by a sound level meter placed at a distance of twenty-five feet plus or minus two feet from the center of the lane of the public highway in which the motor vehide is idling or is traveling within the speed limits specified in this section.

Likewise, California has similarly specified standards:

California's 95-db standard for exhausts

 
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If you read carefully, those pertain to the City of New York, which is also the County of New York. I am in the County of Nassau on Long Island, NY. Those regs you supplied DO NOT apply in my jurisdiction. For the time being, I'll stick with New York State VTL Section 375 Subdivision 31, "not adequately controlling noise." Also, I can also issue a desk appearance ticket (equivalent to an arrest) for someone to appear in Town Court to answer a charge of a noise violation. Thanks anyway. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

EDITED for error.

 
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Once again, a perfectly good thread gone bad......

 
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Well, officer, I can see you are one of those persons who refuse to accept even the remote possibility that they are wrong. Fine, split hairs all you like; IF you read carefully, I never said the legislation examples I linked applied specifically to your county, I merely conducted a general search and came up with these 2 examples to illustrate the point I had made: It is ridiculous to entrust individuals to enforce vehicle exhaust noise standards subjectively, for these standards can and should be objectively and quantitatively identified and measured. Individuals are bound to enforce these noise regulations based on--or is it biased by?--their own judgement and perception, which may or may not be fair and accurate.

So do not thank me or patronize me for I seek neither sentiment from you. I merely state my views and hope to support those with evidence so that others may consider their merit. Whether anyone does is up to them. I particularly dislike the mightier-than-thou attitude you take whenever you do not agree with someone. Being a police officer means just that, nothing more, nothing less. It does not empower you to force your standards on anyone else, simply because you are a cop.

 
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<< Well, officer, I can see you are one of those persons who refuse to accept even the remote possibility that they are wrong. Fine, split hairs all you like; IF you read carefully, I never said the legislation examples I linked applied specifically to your county, I merely conducted a general search and came up with these 2 examples to illustrate the point I had made: It is ridiculous to entrust individuals to enforce vehicle exhaust noise standards subjectively, for these standards can and should be objectively and quantitatively identified and measured. Individuals are bound to enforce these noise regulations based on--or is it biased by?--their own judgement and perception, which may or may not be fair and accurate.

So do not thank me or patronize me for I seek neither sentiment from you. I merely state my views and hope to support those with evidence so that others may consider their merit. Whether anyone does is up to them. I particularly dislike the mightier-than-thou attitude you take whenever you do not agree with someone. Being a police officer means just that, nothing more, nothing less. It does not empower you to force your standards on anyone else, simply because you are a cop. >>

 
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Silver, I'm not going to have someone shove laws in my face that don't even apply in my jurisdiction. I'm also not going to have someone tell me how to do my job, or what I am able to do and what I can't do. Laws like NYS VTL 375.31 and town ordinances prohibiting harsh and unreasonable noise exist for a reason. I'm tired of listening to exhausts that sound like a World War. I'm through commenting on this topic.

 
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LOL[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]Funny...I was through about 10 hours ago but sure...