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yeah that extra 10whp I added really puts a strain on it I still drive it because i have to. because some idiot talking on his phone ruined my resale value or it would be long sold by now and i'd have a real car. Actually I've been thinking, and i came to the conclusion that 01+ hondas still have the y2k bug in the computer. You can blame me all you want but the real cause is a defective part in the transmission. If i didn't mod the car it would still have failed. The older hondas could take a beating. I'll give them credit. but the newer ones = pos. why don't you goto the problems forum and search "from the beginning" that is the only way you'll begin to realize how many thousands of people (just on this site!) have had problems without even modding their cars.

 
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I still think that if your head wasnt milled so astronomically far you wouldnt of had that problem with the head. Also... i wanted to send my throttle body to maxbore but i think them f***ing with the tps caused that to take a poo.

 
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lol. funny. when i take my car in for it's tune-ups. the never noticed the x-brace, strut bar, grille, mirrors, and tails i have on mine.

 
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thats funny

 
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the thing with maxbore.com...they put the tps and set it to the correct voltage as specified. it seems that over time, the ecu starts to detect that too much air is coming in and this begins to make it learn a different valve plate position. when this valve finally changes back to stock, and you still have it not stock, the ecu throws a code. Its like someone said, the ecu is the cause for all the problems. the onboard diagnostics is a terrible idea because it can barely even maintain a stock car by itself. Just look how rich it comes from the factory, heck look what they did to the poor si. it has such a hi a/f ratio you would think its got a turbo. I hate to think what would happen after a year of driving like that.

 
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^lol^...hey bro do you know if your boy has got that mount??? i couldnt tell by the pics

 
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The mount in that pic is the rear... As of now im gonna say no. I dont want you to wait for something that might not be there.

 
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If you have a vafc2 does the ecu slowy realize the same thing... Youve tinkered with it and it slowly adjusts itself.

 
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oh ok well does anybody know if the auto motor mounts are the same as the 5sp....

 
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yup it stays set for the dyno run when they make the a/f nice and flat where it should be, then you drive home thinking wow car feels great. after a week or two, hmm feels like it did when it wasn't tuned. you know when I had all those mods on the car, it was running a near perfect a/f on its own which goes to show just how rich the ecu is programmed to run stock.

 
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Couldve gave me any ecu i had to buy a car with this one

 
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Ok here's my 2 cents. If you guys are so pissed with those specific ecu's, why dont you try running a Hondata, AEM or Haltech? I realize they're expensive but then there wouldn't be any more problems with the ecu "fixing" your tuning methods. Slow Gold is my boy...I've rolled with him a few times and he didn't seem to beat the **** out of his car or anything. I will say, however that he was correct in saying you've gotta pay to play. Anything that gets any kind of modification or treatment besides old lady driving is bound to malfunction or come apart. I'm into all tuner cars, I tend to focus on the DSM scene, but none the less everything breaks. In my opinion, Honda took the stereo-typical corperate cop-out because the only thing they care about is bottom line. Nothing new there, thats just the way business is. Don't get me wrong, I think it's total B.S., but it doesn't come unexpected to me.
As far as me, I love tuning, modifying and driving pretty much everything. From muscle cars to the newest tuners, as long as its suckin gas and haulin @$$ then all is fine by me. I am here to learn more about the Honda corner of the scene. As for now...I'm all ears...

 
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The point is, if you would have brought an engine in to Honda that was making some odd noises, they probably would have been more willing to fix it because you were somewhat preventive in having the car looked at BEFORE major damage occured. If you go in with a blown engine and ANY mods they are automatically going to think you just abused the car. I agree that if you have a warranty, they should still fix it, but you have to realize their perspective and can't go off on them immediatly. Imagine if it was YOUR bottom line being affected, you would be somewhat judgemental before making repairs as well. For the record, I don't live off daddy and mommys money. I'm just sick of people screwing over their cars and then blaming it on someone else. Think what you want about me, I'm done posting in this thread. Carry on.....

 
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BTW you have a warranty so you can blame it on someone else.

 
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I dont think he was blaming anyone else for it, he said he did it on purpose. I agree with you on the mods thing, but they have to prove that the mods caused the damage. I personaly have never heard of an intake and/or header making an engine blow. Anyway so if he took it there before it actually blew the outcome would probably be same, well we are not fixing it cause you did stuff to it.

 
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Tell it to the dealer that blamed my catback exhaust for the reason they didn't tighten the plugs and leave the oil low.

 
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I tried to tell that guy it wasnt me being an idiot it was HONDA AMERICA being ***holes. Im glad at least another person "gearbox" knows what im talking aboot.

 
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Rep'd you for backing me up on hondas bad service or in our case lack of.

 
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i called corporate to complain, all they did was send me a free oil change wow. they said they can't make the dealer do anything. I thought the whole point of corporate was to make sure individual dealers behaved. So then i talk to dealer service manager, he laughs and says some idiot from corporate called me about it, he didn't know the difference between a tire and spark plug. should he? wtf. Then he said okay we'll have our dent guy fix the dent even tho in big letters on the paper it says "dent was already there". the service tech decides to believe his "best" mechanic and not me. And the mechanic made the dent then called the tech over to say oh it was already there. lying bastard. then why did they only report that one dent and not the other four around the car, even another 1 foot away from the one he marked! You know what tinman is right. the older mechanics get lazy and don't care anymore. Then the manager tries to tell me the mechanic would never do those things he's worked too long and always treats cars like his own. Haha i guess he leaves loose wires and doesn't put enough oil in his own car. what a retard. and you know I don't feel bad about what happened to me. I feel bad for the other people. If I didn't look under the hood afterwards (90% of people don't even know what anything under there is for), I would be towing the car back to the dealer for a new motor just like you.

 
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I know that to protect my on a$$ when i was a mechanic when i pulled in a car i took at least ten minutes marking down anything i caught and EXACTLY where it was on the car. All shops to my knowledge have to do that. And you are right you dont have to be ASE cerified to be a mechanic i wasnt. I got out of the buisness for this reason... When older people or women bring there car into a shop they try to dig in there pockets. They pull up on the computer a list of recomendations based on how many miles are on the car. Then they would look at me and tell me to try to sell or B.S. them untill they break down and buy stuff they dont need. Im not a theif and i have a heart. One day it got the best of me and i told about 20 people they were being robbed and to never come back and i left. That blew up into a big corprate mess. But i feel i did the right thing. And now im banned from TIRES PLUS. now ive blown there spot up again also stay away from modified motors.

 
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Isn't it possible that because the o2 sensor was manlfunctioning (or not functioning at all), that the problem was caused by too lean of a mixture? The knocking sound could have been detonation and it could have gotten the cylinder hot enough to blow a hole through it.

Not sure if this also applies, but I know two stroke motors will start to rev higher when they lean out, do four strokes do the same?

 
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well like gearbox said the primary o2 sensor is for a/f....his was the 2nd o2 sensor which is just for emissions.

 
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Oh, and the whole thing about the dealer beign such an ***, I would have tried another.

I had my trans replaced after it was blown with my intake on, and my car lowered with rims. I would have thought they would try some bs about "the geometry of the suspension having changed causing problems with the axle which caused the trans failure"...but nope, just asked if I had anythign done to the trans itself, I said no, he said I call you and let you know how long it's gonna take.

In conclusion, depends on where you go on some warrantee stuff. But had they told me I had to pay for the trans to be replaced, I probably would have hired a lawyer, paid more in legal fees than the cost of having it replaced, then gotten my free trans replacment.

 
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I know that it wasnt detonation... only cause ive heard that before in my buds eclipse. Although i wonder if it was running super lean. Hmm can anyone clarify which 02 sensor controls fuel air mixture. My 02 sensor after the cat is the one that went bad.

 
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Sorry, I just really didnt have the patience to read all the posts on this thread, thanks for clearing that up though.

 
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the primary does. Altho the 2nd is for emissions, it can also make the car run bad if its actually broken. but it won't blow the motor.

 
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Thanks... I learned something new today. The first 02 is for air/fuel and the second is for emissions. Good to know. If i ever get a code for the primary I wont drive it nowhere.

 
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well see even if the primary is broken, the car will still drive, just not very well. It won't kill the motor. Thats what makes this so interesting to find out what happened. Something major happened that just failed. either oil pump like someone said, or something like it.

 
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Im swapping it out myself. Im driving to meet varner88 on saturday. Once ive pulled out the blown motor ill pull it apart piece by piece because i wanna see what happend ill have lots of pics to post by middle next week.

 
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I'd be willing to say its a safe bet that your oil pump failed, not lubing a rod bearing, causing it to spin...then being spun you heard the knock and just trying to get the car home caused that cylinder to attempt to completely cease, and since the motor was still revving, the rod was the weakest link, snapped and then slapped the block hard enough to blow holes in it.