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^^^^exactly

 
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I drove a 2005 Mazda 6 5-door for about 3000 miles in two weeks (rental) and it was very good and nice car too, although I prefer the new 2006 fabric over the leather. Dunno, just me.

I also recommend you to take a look at the Subaru Legacy, Acura TSX and Saab 9-3 Sports Sedan. They are comparable to the Mazda 6 in size and prize range.

 
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most ford engines have great reliability unlike the rest of their cars, i say just get the mazdaspeed 6.

 
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so i assume you wouldn't get a subaru also because GM had a share in them (up until Toyota bought their shares)?

Thats such a blank statement, not to mention illogical, that it reeks of stupidity.

I also assume you'd never buy a lambo or Audi because VW has a stake in them. The same goes to Mercedes because Dodge/Chrysler merged with them.

I also assume you'd never own a Jag or Range Rover, not because you might not be able to afford them (you might), but because Ford decided that it'd be a good business and financial reason to buy a stake/buyout in those companies too because they found it cheaper and better to buy a luxury brand than to try and create its own.

 
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My dad had a mazda, it had nothing but problems. good enuff reason for you?

 
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Thats enough of a difference for me to consider them different. With you logic, you'd say the K20A, K20A2, K20A3, and the K20Z1 are all the motor even though the pistons, rods, and heads are different.

Trust me, i'm not trying to attack you or anything like that, i'm just using what you said as an example.

Is it too hard to believe that mazda may have made a great platform and ford wants to use it? It may or may not be this way, but it certaintly could.

 
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People have problems with Hondas too. Any tranny honda made and mated to a v6 seemed to destroy themselves. This wasn't even like a first year build issue either. This occurred from 94-01 so you can't say it was a bug.

Now Honda has finally fixed the problem.

What i'm saying is that you have to take in the context and timeframe when addressing problems. For all people could know is that your dad could have owned a mazda back in the 80s and you're still basing your judgements on that (which would be outdated) when they've could of fixed all the issues. If you stated that your dad owned a mazda6, what year it was, and the problems it had, then perhaps you'd have something helpful to add to this thread.

At the other end of this arguement is that your dad could have owned a mazda that lasted 500,000 miles problem free back in the 80s, but now almost all mazdas wouldn't even make it to 50,000 miles (hypothetical). Would he still reccommend their cars to everyone he knows? Quality control standards slip and go over time or they could tighten up. Use Hyundai for example.

10 years ago you wouldn't even take them into consideration, but now they produce cars that can last and compete with the likes of Honda and Toyota.
Or 30 years ago you wouldn't consider buying or reccommending a Honda to people, but now you're driving a Honda, posting on a Honda forum, and i'd assume reccomending Honda to other people. Did you know that Honda cars used to be problemmatic back when they first entered into the car market?

 
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I gave my optinion on what i think about the mazda, i dont see you adding anything about this topic. I use past exp with the brands of cars. fords, mazdas and Mercedes so far are bad. Chevys and dodge was good.

 
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Mazda 6 is awsome!
As for it being a ford. mmeh still an awsome car. The 4 cyl model is a mazda motor..just the 6 cyl motor is a Ford becuase they dont offer it in a V6 in Japan.
And the cluster is so sexy. Red lights..mmm

 
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Hey I have a 06 Mazda 3 and it's great.

I think the 6 is a great car, but I think the one with the V6 might be having some issues with reliability though.

 
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i think they are a cool car

 
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You're talking to a bit of a biased audience, everyone here is going to try to foist an Accord or TSX onto you. If people here liked Mazdas they likely would've bought one, consequently, because they didn't, they probably have poor perceptions of them. You might want to try a non-denominational (kind of a misuse of the term, but whatever) automobile board.

 
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hey uh, all the k20s you mentioned ARE the same block, yes with different heads pistons and rods. yes that was my point. me and you have had this arguement too many times. you know how i feel. i know how you feel. let the rest of them learn it themselves

 
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Just my opinion, but I think before you shell out any money for a car, especially that kind of money, I would go drive as many different cars as possible. I'm not entirely sure on your price range, but I imagine if you are going to get a brand new one, there are quite a few cars you could drive.

SER Altima.. This would def be a car I would look into
Maxima Possibly. I drove this car and fell in love with it. 260 HP all models.
endless options.

I would even go look at like a year old TL or
G35 Sedan.

The only way you will get a good grasp is if you go look at everything.

 
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Well...I used to own an '03 Mazda 6...shittiest car I've had so far...something kept going wrong with the Brakes/Rotors...they could never figure it out...worst body/lip kit I've seen...you actually had to DRILL 10 holes in the body on each side to attach the rocker panels...I think that's what you call them...it had HORRIBLE gas mileage...however...it looks sweet...I loved the design...very roomy...

Hopefully...they've worked out all the kinks by now...it's a nice car for the money...so it's basically up to you...just do your research...

 
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Everyone needs to remember that 03 was the first model year for this car, so most likely the problems have been fixed. I think Car and Driver has a long term one, might want to check and see what they say about it.

 
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manager i knew had the same problem with his 3 hatch. brake problems. we have a lemon law in ga where if they same problem comes up 3x after getting fixed, then its a lemon. he sued mazda over it. and won.

 
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anybody know a website that has everything that can be done to a mazda 6

 
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http://www.mazda6club.com/index2.php

 
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thanks

 
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no prob

 
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Do my posts on this site get deleted or something??? I have gone over this time and time again, and I refuse to do it anymore.

I've owned several Mazdas and not a single problem with any of them. I'm on my 3rd, and two of them (well my dad's one) were rotary.

Is that enough reason for you to say that Mazda is reliable?

Remember, the car is only as reliable as you make it. Negligence goes much further than any research and design in terms of reliability.

 
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yea did you read my last post? its like raping a dead horse

 
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i agree nookiemonster

 
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i know it's a lil off but my uncle bought a mazda MPV from them 2 yrs ago.
the car was completely shitty to say the least. the car was stalling and the engine light was on, for only like 2 weeks. the whole damn car was fvcked up. so they went back to the mazda dealership and asked for a full refund. they refuse to give a refund and insisted that nothing was wrong with the car and they would fix it right away. so they did, but guess what, the fvcking van was messing up again. they got really pissed and at this time, the whole experience was just PITA. refuse to give them what they want, treat them like ****. so guess what my uncle did? they brought our family friend politician and insisted to do better business. in the end, they told my uncle to go to the lot and just pick whatever MPV model they desire. so they picked the one with extra features on it.

mazda= ****

 
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look. go get the car. if you want it, go get it. but don't act like you were not warned IF anything happens

 
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lol you should just save all your mazda defense posts on a word document and just copy and paste.

 
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I had a 88 RX7 as my first car and I loved it. Not only was it easy to work on being a rotary, but i never had any problems aside from regular maintenance. I agree with nookiemonster, its all in who has the car and how well they take care of it. Im willing to guess that most people that have complaints would have some with most cars.

 
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this was before ford took part in mazda. thats what the whole argument is about.

 
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if thats the case, you'd have to prove that Ford altered the design of Mazda to somehow make it worse to prove your that newer Mazdas suck. Otherwise saying its a Ford and it simply meaning Ford has partial ownership over Mazda but no design say has no bearing on the quality/value of the car or not.

When someone says 'Ford= Mazda' in this thread they're saying that Mazda cars have been influenced or are now similar to Ford cars. When if I were to say Ford=Mazda and mean it accurately, basically I would say it and only be meaning it in the legal sense (ie: Ford owns a significant amount of Mazda shares).