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Old Dec 19, 2005
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kill the RSX?

is honda gonna kill the rsx? i have been hearing this. any truth?
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I hope they dont.... maybe here they will but not in Japan... over there they still have Integra and no Civic coupe so.....
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Its a fairly good selling vehicle right? If it is, there should be no reason to stop manufacturing on it.
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It's true. 2006 is the last year of the RSX. Acura will be focusing more on cars like it's TL and RL, and they are even thinking about removing the TSX. That new NSX is pretty much their last sports car. The Si is basically going to be the replacement.
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yep its gonna be a ghost soon, they are getting rid of it to make an rsx usspec type r which will be over 300hp awd with a price tag well over 40,000 grand. They are trying to get away from tuner cars and more towards the luxery end of things.
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I don't blame them considering their luxury brand image and they have magazines comparing the rsx-s to a chevy cobalt ss or a saturn ion. given, the rsx-s wins in overall rating, it's still a knock to acura to have one of their cars compared to them.
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honda is going more towards the luxery side to. Why do you think they are putting dvd and nav in all the new cars including the si. I don't care I got my em2 and am happy with what ive done and going to do. If I ever get a new car Im going to evolutionimports.com and getting me a jspec rhd car of some sort. They got integra r brand new for 27,000 grand I think. But maybe I'll sway away from honda and get the baby skyline but with all the money Ive put in my em2 and plan on with the swap and stuff Ill probaly just end up keeping her for a long time.
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the 40,000 price tag was just an estimate I read about. They said the new infiniti skyline gtr was going to be around 60,000 but now heard it will be even more. The new acura rsx type r is going to be more of a lxery car than the tuner car so thats why the article or tv show I saw was saying the 40,000 grand price tag, when it does finaly come out it might be even more. You gotta remember awd over 300 ponies, it might have been 350hp can't rember but I don't think its gonna be less than 35 grand for the car.
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Originally Posted by noooorb
I don't blame them considering their luxury brand image and they have magazines comparing the rsx-s to a chevy cobalt ss or a saturn ion. given, the rsx-s wins in overall rating, it's still a knock to acura to have one of their cars compared to them.
thats a ghey comparison to say the least. how can you compare a cobalt SS or ion redline to a type S? i mean its a saturn. and its just a rebagded cheaper cobalt!!! i hate moronic things like that!!! blast!@@$$$^(%&*&^*$ anyways lol thats stupid as hell.
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Originally Posted by MajinB
thats a ghey comparison to say the least. how can you compare a cobalt SS or ion redline to a type S? i mean its a saturn. and its just a rebagded cheaper cobalt!!! i hate moronic things like that!!! blast!@@$$$^(%&*&^*$ anyways lol thats stupid as hell.
2006 Chevy Cobalt SS coupe - 21400 I4 205hp 23/29mpg
Saturn Ion Redline coupe - 19425 I4 205hp 23/29mpg
Acura RSX-S coupe - 23845 I4 201hp 23/31mpg

Now, if you're too fvcking stupid to put those numbers together and figure out that all these cars are in the same category, go hump your Honda a little bit more. I swear you have to be the biggest Honda fanboy I've seen on this site in a long time.

You're trying to make it seem as if you're using some logic, but your ideas are based on NOTHING except the fact that you're in love with your underpowered econobox... which isn't even on par with those three cars listed above.
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Originally Posted by white2K2EX
2006 Chevy Cobalt SS coupe - 21400 I4 205hp 23/29mpg
Saturn Ion Redline coupe - 19425 I4 205hp 23/29mpg
Acura RSX-S coupe - 23845 I4 201hp 23/31mpg

Now, if you're too fvcking stupid to put those numbers together and figure out that all these cars are in the same category, go hump your Honda a little bit more. I swear you have to be the biggest Honda fanboy I've seen on this site in a long time.

You're trying to make it seem as if you're using some logic, but your ideas are based on NOTHING except the fact that you're in love with your underpowered econobox... which isn't even on par with those three cars listed above.
first your the 3rd person to say that im the biggest honda fanboy.
second, fvck you a$$hole. ok? they are boosted. the RSX-S is na. get that? if i have to explain how a saturn is a POS compared to a type S then your stupid.
third. FVCK U. again. don't sit there and attack me for my opinions. if you don't like opinions then go fly to china. again FVCK U!!!
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Easy man, I see his point, they are all tuner cars, doesnt matter what the power source is, they are all still in the same class regardless. ease up man. Theres no need to get all puffed up about it
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well i didn't bring in my econobox into the thread. i personally think that the RSX should be compared to the WRX. which i know is turboed. or the eclipse. or the celica. something to its caliber. not a stupid rebadged cobalt ss. and thats my opinion. and he was flaming me for it. so FVCK him
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dude calm down its a freakin honda civic forum. who cares honestly
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Originally Posted by varner88
i heard 06 is the last year there making it and this was from the dealer not sum hear say stuff.. they say acura is going towards more luxury and honda will take over where the rsx left off so maybe an integra type-r? who knows,

and my dealer told me 2005 was the last year of the s2k, trust me don't believe the dealers
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Stupid. The RSX-S, Spec-V, Cobalt SS, SRT-4, Ion Redline, Mazdaspeed Protege, GTI are all in the same class. Regardless of NA or FI. They are compared to one another constantly. Why? They are all FWD economy cars with a little bit of *****. I don't care how much you love Honda, the RSX-S is still in the same class and SHOULD be compared to all these cars. Fact of the matter is, considering the cars it's usually compared with, the RSX-S is pretty overpriced.

The WRX is AWD, with a more advanced drivetrain, turbocharged boxer engine. It's a step, albeit small step above these cars.

Anyway, the RSX-S really has no place anymore with the introduction of the new SI. It always has been a civic based sporty FWD coupe, and Honda penny pinchers will be happy to see that they can combine two markets and make the new SI a little more upscale and satisfy both demographics.

Anyways, Majin B I think I was the first to call you the biggest Honda fanboy I had seen, and you never cease to amaze me with your ridiculous fanboy logic.
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Originally Posted by hk2ronin
yep its gonna be a ghost soon, they are getting rid of it to make an rsx usspec type r which will be over 300hp awd with a price tag well over 40,000 grand. They are trying to get away from tuner cars and more towards the luxery end of things.


I hope your being sarcastic!
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As long as someone is making something similar/like the RSX, and Honda still produces the K20 for the next 5 years or so,...I'm ok with Acura "dropping" the RSX
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...First generation of RSX, cant believe its gonna get kill off.
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Anyways, Majin B I think I was the first to call you the biggest Honda fanboy I had seen, and you never cease to amaze me with your ridiculous fanboy logic.
its not about fanboy logic. thats like comparing the ion to the srt4. you know the srt4 is clearly better. wtf is the point? i mean compare something that has a chance to win. thats like comapring a civic to a srt4. yea right. the srt4 would kill it in every way. and i know that. its fact. i just thought it was stupid and useless.
you were the second. cambo was the first.
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Originally Posted by MajinB
first your the 3rd person to say that im the biggest honda fanboy.
You are. So your point is...?

second, fvck you a$$hole. ok?
Um, ok.

they are boosted. the RSX-S is na. get that?
I'm aware.

if i have to explain how a saturn is a POS compared to a type S then your stupid.
I guess YOU'RE going to have to explain to me how I am stupid. The cars, according to any automotive report, are in the same class, but I forgot... you know more than the industry. You may not know correct grammar, but you sure as hell know your classes of cars.

So is it that the Saturn has an inferior engine compared to the Acura? No. In fact, it has more power.

Is it that the Saturn won't last as long as the Acura? No. In fact, Saturns last about the same length of time/number of miles.

Is it that you act like Honda/Acura is the best car manufacturer ever to grace this planet and that God, Himself, on the eighth day made Honda? That's a viable option.

third. FVCK U. again. don't sit there and attack me for my opinions. if you don't like opinions then go fly to china. again FVCK U!!!
lol. China? Why don't I stay here in America and you can fly to Japan since you love Honda so much?



Originally Posted by MajinB
its not about fanboy logic. thats like comparing the ion to the srt4. you know the srt4 is clearly better. wtf is the point? i mean compare something that has a chance to win. thats like comapring a civic to a srt4. yea right. the srt4 would kill it in every way. and i know that. its fact. i just thought it was stupid and useless.
you were the second. cambo was the first.
Um, no. Fanboy logic is thinking that comparing anything to a car made by __________ company (in your case, Honda/Acura) is ridiculous unless that car is of a higher class. If anything, using your previous logic about forced induction engines, the RSX-S is BELOW the Cobalt SS, Ion Redline, and WRX simply because it's the only naturally aspirated engine and it has the least horsepower.

Now, to disprove more of your "logic," the example you gave before with the Civic and the SRT-4 is completely dissimilar to your talking about the comparison between the three cars originally in question. The SRT-4 has around 100hp more and could quantifiably win in a drag race. I can quantifiably prove that the SRT-4 is a better car for drag racing. This is a completely moot point.

This makes it your time to quantifiably prove that the Saturn is a POS compared to the Acura - or even that the cars with almost identical numbers and audiences aren't in the same category. When forming your argument, remember that I'm stupid (hell, I don't even know why the Saturn is inferior to the Acura!) so be clear and precise.

Fanboy.
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You are only partially correct in saying that 06 is the last year of the RSX.

06 is the last year of the *first-gen* RSX. The RSX is getting redesigned for 07. Those who say Acura will drop the RSX... that's incorrect. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to cite "inside sources"--not from car dealers but from a more reputable source. Car dealers only get info to sell cars, and they're not a very reliable source.

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Redesign yes, but i speculate it wont be the Integra anymore, but probably a design by Acura in itself, for example the new TL, a car made by north america, sold only in north america. The previous TL model was in fact the Honda Inspire sold in Japan. Then it got redesigned and it is now sold in North America as the Accord. And if you look at the Accord now, it just doesnt make the cut as for what Acura is trying to make their cars look like, so of coarse, they had to design their own !

So in a sense, if people look at the RSX now as the Integra, then yes it is being discontiued in north america, becuase its going to be replaced by something designed by Acura, and not just a rebadged Honda. I hope that makes sense, and i have a strong feeling thats going to happen.

But who knows? I could be wrong, but..its just my intuition. Acura is becoming very strong, and they are fully capable of designing their own models. Like the TL, a beautiful car..i liked the CL as well..too bad they had to get rid of that.

I hope you guys got what i was trying to say. Replacing the current RSX with an Acura designed car instead of Japans Integra.
oh god, my post is pretty confusing. lol..but i suck at grammer..and english putting it together and stuff. ^^

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Originally Posted by CiviCoupe2k2


I hope your being sarcastic!
actually im not i saw it im a car mag or a carshow about the autoshow. This is the last year for the usdm rsx type s. There will be a rsx with awd with over 300 hp for around 40,000 and its not the type s. Why do a55holes have to talk **** and make stupid little comments when they see a post that they don't agree with or don't understand or for that matter can't comprehend.
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http://www.vtec.net/modelmatrix/


thier u go guys, from vtec.net, just scroll down and it says 2006 is the final year of the RSX
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The answer is yes, 2006 is the lsat year. There are no if's and's or but's about it. If it gets remodled and renaimed, it's dead, ok? No more discussions or flaming in here.
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yep its gonna be a ghost soon,
The RSX or this thread?



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