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i read on another post that u can use ure gears to slow down instead of using the brakes. anyone wanna tell me how to do this cause i dont wanna screw up my brakes trying to stop when im going 120

 
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Down shift one gear at a time

 
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Downshifting...

If you're going 120 in 5th gear, you can't downshift to 4th until you reach about 110 or less so you won't redline. I'd prefer you'd do some braking because you don't want to stay at high RPMs TOO long. You'll ruin your tranny.

Please don't skip gears downshifting (like some do... and they don't do it to slow down, they do it to use their high end torque on an SOHC... 114 ain't sh't, but my point is...) it can ruin your tranny.

 
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well if you have a 5spd this is quite easy, take ur foot off the gas, and let it slow down to like 115, then put it in 4th, and engage the clutch a little slower than normal until it gets up to about 5500rpm, then let it out, by then u should be going slow enough that it won't redline the engine and it will slow down a lot more, if you have an auto, well uh, you can't!

 
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man when i started typing that there were no replies!!! grrr

 
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do i need to do rev matching??? does anyone here DO rev matching at all, if not what do u guys do when ure downshifting??

 
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AAAHHHHH good ol'Torque braking - Thats how I have 60K miles and practically new brake pads. Definately want to male sure to be shifting the right gears as you don't want the dreaded valve float. That is BAD. The celica GTS owners had some problems with valve float at first due to the 6 speed. They would try to shift 4th, but instead would get 2nd. Instant 10,00 RPMS and POP there goes the motor.

 
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I don't think you need to do rev matching... I don't think it's necessary from what i've heard with these cars (I think).

And the Celica GT-S. Isn't the shifter like hard to master? That's what i read.

 
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Is it necessary to use the brake when downshifting? From what i'm reading it seems like while your shifting to a lower gear that you should be using the brake to slow down so you can somewhat match rpms. If i'm in 4th gear or so and i want to slow down and get into 2nd gear for a turn couldn't i just downshift, slowly ease off the clutch while applying little gas to get into third, and do the same to get into second? Please correct me if i'm wrong because my civic is my first stickshift car and i wanna make sure i'm doing things right.

 
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heel toe braking is the way to go, if you know how. if not, then rev match if you have a 5 spd. if you don't konw how to do that, then learn . in order to downshift properly with minimal wear on your brakes, clutch, and synchro meshing, you need to learn how to rev match, cause the high revs won't hurt the engine at all, unless you're going 5000 rpm in 5th and try to go to 4th. the best way to downshift going that speed is just to let your foot off the gas and then downshift to 4th when you're at about 100 i'd say. and yes, i do rev match and heel-toe all the time, even around town. it's just a good habit to get into.

 
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to aviod undue stress on the drive train it is a good idea to match revs as you down sihift as to lessen the sidden impact on the tranny by allowing the engine and wheel speed to match rather then having a sudden jolt of torque kit the drive train as its spinning slower then the engine. simply put, raise your revs up by 1 to 1.5K RPM for each gear you are going to drop before releasing the clutch. This will allow for ultra smooth down shifts while impressing the folks your driving with, with your "mad tight shifting skillz" as well as saving your tranny from undue wear. This is ESPECIALLY important if you upgrade to a clutch and pressure plate that are stronger then stock (more importantly the pressure plate). For example, i use a 6 puck sprung hub clutch with a strong *** pressure plate. i HAVE to match revs when i down shift to avoid getting a rather harsh jolt throughout the tranny due to its sudden and extra clamping force and torque transmission.

On another note, its not called "torque braking". That is when you torque the engine up against the wheels as allow a better launch with automatics, or the WRD domestic guys use to torque the engine against the brakes to do burnouts in 1 place since pulling the e-brake would only lock up the rear drive wheels. the proper term, as i already said, is "engine braking".

 
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ahm and yes, you can do this with an auto tranny. what do you think the lower gears in the PRNDL selector are for? Not drag racing thats for sure. they are there so when your decending a steep hill or towing something you can use the tranny to slow the car down without overtaxing your brakes.

 
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gah! and another thing, the reason why ppl in celica GT-S' e fucking up their trannys, is because a lot of unexperienced kitd r getting in them and driving the 6spds with no previous experience. therfore making the shift from 6th gear to 2nd all at once, instead of putting it in 4th (this isnt a concern with a 5spd unless your REAL dumb) and putting the engine up aboke 11K RPM.. which isnt good obviosuly. The same goes for the RSX-S, and any other entry level 6spd car. Itd be the same for corvettes and supras with 6spds, but the average owners of those know what they are doing.

 
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go ahead and wear out the brakes, they're cheap! [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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Ick, I drive manual at the moment and I do engine braking all the time. PRND23... at D, want to brake, shift to 2, automatically, you feel the engine braking occur, then apply a little bit of brake if necessary. Go back into D if you wanna go again. Am I right...?

Haha, about the proper shifting on a stick... okay, you don't want to be doing about ... 160mp/h, on 6th, and accidentally shift to 2nd. Some guy on Temple of Vtec did it while he wasn't paying too much attention on those freeways in the desert. Blew his tranny, and a couple of ruptures were found in the cylinders. Like, wide, gaping holes. Damn, and it was a decent Supra too. Nevertheless, ... yeah. Don't do it.

 
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I don't drive manual, I meant to say, I drive automatic at the moment.

 
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My daddy always said that downshifting to lower speed risked buying a new transmission eventually and that brake jobs were cheaper. But that was before synchro-mesh gearing became common. You HAD to consistently match engine speed not to wear out your tranny. Nowdays not so important but I still match out of habit one of two ways:

"blipping the throttle" while clutch is out between gears and catching the falling RPMs with the clutch coming in and
"double clutching" which is slightly different and has been described accurately in only a few other threads. Neither is really necessay with modern manual trannies but fun to do and is part of what a real "stickman" likes to do.

I've been driving stick for 25 years and downshifted on about 40% of my stops and all my corners and have never lost a tranny yet. And yes, I used to "heel and toe" to brake at the same time but gave that up when car companies went to the floating accelerator pad. Much easier/safer to do when the accelerator was hinged on the floor pan.

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when happens if you have an auto and ur going 120 and u push the gear to P right away? what will happen next?

 
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your car will stall out and go into neutral... hopefully.

 
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Ok, so skipping gear is bad, but what about when you don't do it at high RPM? When getting off the freeway in 5th gear, I let the car coast to about 30-40 mph right before the exit ramp then I downshift to 3rd while rev matching. How about taking a corner from 4th to 2nd with rev matching too? Is this bad?

 
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skipping gears is only bad if you exceed the gears/engines maximum speed. IE if you fo from 5th to 2nd from 100MPH. going from 5th to 2nd at 25 is fine.

 
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I have been Rev-Matching for the past few months and it feels really good when I downshift I don't get that "hit" anymore it's a nice and smooth shift.

A few friends say I am messing up my transmission and they rather mess up their brakes than the tranny.. oh well I'll take a risk..