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Due to gas prices...Im ready for honda to allow sales/leases to the rest of the country. I do realize it would require each state toi invest millions to support the new refueling infastructure but Im ready dammit. If only honda made it look a bit more appealing.
On a side note, the fcx 107 horse power and 201 lb/ft of torque. gets around 55-60 miles per gallon and has a range of 190 miles. Top speed is about 90 mph. Its definitley a start!

 
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For starters the FCX is to small for most Americans. They like their big cars. In addition, it doesn't use any gas so it gets 62/51 mpkg (city/hwy) not MPG. I wish we could create larger, reliable cars like this, but then there goes the tuner market, except for suspension.

 
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I stand corrected, the fuel estimates are based on mpkg which translate to about 50 mpg. Thanks for the catch. With the mainstream birth of the technology, honda is getting 107hp and 201 lb/ft of torque. This is the beginning. The methods of combustion will get more efficient and lead to greater power outputs. The mpkg will get better as the technology gets refined. The vehicles will get bigger and more stylish and more mainstream.
The tunner market will follow the mainstream, it always has.

 
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what the hell is an fcx

 
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Its hondas hydrogen fuel cell vehicle....

 
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62/51(city/hwy)That's pretty damn efficient. Any pics of the car?

 
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its not very attractive but its the technology that we are likely to see in the future. It will become better once it goes mainstream.
click for more info

 
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Fuel cells are not that easy. You really don't realize the problems, the catalyst cost, Nafion is not cheap. That is an EXPENSIVE system that will only last at best 7500 hours. I currently spend about 50-60 hours a week doing R&D on PEM fuel cells

Point is, becareful what you want.

 
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well considering an engine outputs well under 20% of its full potential, due to heat leak, and a million other variables, if they improve the real world designs of existing engines we would see 200+hp D17s that we have getting well over 50mpg using the existing D17 as a base, but re-engineered to be super efficient

 
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Whoa a Honda with torque


I keed, I keed.

 
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i want a car that costs the same as a car now, makes more power, and does not support the middle east in any possible way. If it harms the middle eastern economy and cripples that whole area its all the better. im sick of their billions of dollars of profit every year in these poor-*** countries going right into individual pockets while the rest of these people in these places still live in poverty

 
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huh? what engine are you talking about? If you are talking about internal combustion engines, honda has one of the most effecient engines around, somewhere in the neighbor hood of 30-32%. 20% effecientcy is a motor from the 50's probably. Fuel cells are in the range of 80-90% and the electric motors are all very effecitn

 
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I'm with ya on that idea, but I'm just saying fuel cells are from being cheaper than current car.

 
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Point taken but I want to severe the dependancy on big oil completely. BP is actually doing alot with Hydrogen fuel from what I read. They actaully have several refueling stations in california. I'd take a wind powered car right about now I dont think the mid east OPEC is preparing for alternative fuel sources so they would dwindle if one became mainstream.

 
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really, i could swear that we weren't at that level yet? obviously i am not sure but even at 32% efficiency, imagine the same engine at 40%. huge difference!
sorry if I was mistaken

 
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isnt it funny that you never hear of anyone pushing this except HUGE companies?! Its easy to silence a single person with a new invention, but not even OPEC can hire people to silence something as big as Honda.

 
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Yeah really...Everytime I go to the pump...I picture a Suadi sipping some friggen expensive drink laughing at me with gold teeth and hot b!tches everywhere. I hate gas but I'm so damn dependant on the stuff

 
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That is up from the 80hp it was originally designed for. IT got a bump of over 20hp for 2005!! I don't know how the tuner market can retune a fuel cell car, but I am sure it will take years to figure out!

 
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exactly my point. look at the palaces of the owners of the oil companies. larger than most hotels. its a lot bit our money too.

 
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If you dont want to support the Middle East, buy all your gas at Citgo's. All of the oil Citgo gets comes from Venasuala. There ya go, no more Middle East.

~n~

 
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I received an email at work that I shouldn't have deleted, damn it...
Anyways, the forwarded email basically encouraged people to stop buying gas from the two main worldwide gas companies: EXXON & MOBIL. These two would have to lower their prices since no one would buy from them and eventually after doing so, the other "smaller" gas companies would have to do the same...

 
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Um...Venazuela is part of OPEC OPEC is the beast!!!! Down with the beast I buy my gas at BP's As far as I know...thats British Petroleum

 
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When fuel cell car become main stream, the tuners will be people like me that know all the ins and outs of the fuel cell. Don't worry though, I'll give discounts to all 7thgeners