General Automotive Discussion General automotive discussion and chat. Honda, Toyota, Chevrolet, Ford. It doesn't matter, just talk about it here.

returnless fuel system

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jan 29, 2002
  #1  
FiresVTEC's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered!!
 
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 372
Likes: 0
From: buffalo, New York, US
Rep Power: 0
FiresVTEC is an unknown quantity at this point
returnless fuel system

ok guys i searched for the following: returnless and returnless fuel system and got nothing. so i was just wondering what the returnless fuel system is, how it works and why its such a problem for getting some kind of forced induction...thanks
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2002
  #2  
Dakker's Avatar
Giggity Giggity
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 0
From: Pensacola, Florida
Rep Power: 0
Dakker is an unknown quantity at this point
Hmm thats a good question I've never heard of that either
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2002
  #3  
PerfectD3's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 825
Likes: 0
From: Deland, Florida, US
Rep Power: 0
PerfectD3 is an unknown quantity at this point
Basically it is what it says. Fuel only flows in one direction with our cars...to the engine. In the older civics, it would flow both ways, so that if their was too much fuel it would just go back to the tank.
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2002
  #4  
Blv's Avatar
Blv
Registered!!
 
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 121
Likes: 0
From: LA, California, US
Rep Power: 0
Blv is an unknown quantity at this point
well said Perfect

why is it a problem?

with the old system, fine tuning the flow of fuel to the engine is much easier, because any excess fuel will flow back to the tank, this is particularly important with forced induction where problem of burning fuel too lean or too rich arises

with the new system, flow of fuel has to be matched correctly with the correct air/fuel ratio, and programming your ECU to do that is quite tricky
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2002
  #5  
BlueIce2001's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 286
Likes: 0
From: Houston, Texas, US
Rep Power: 0
BlueIce2001 is an unknown quantity at this point
would a VTEC controller help that out since you can adujust the fuel mapping and air/fuel ratios?>>>>>???
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2002
  #6  
PerfectD3's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 825
Likes: 0
From: Deland, Florida, US
Rep Power: 0
PerfectD3 is an unknown quantity at this point
Yes, a VTEC controller would cure this problem
...BUT
1. VTEC controller does not work with our cars
2. The stock fuel system won't go to much farther than it already is.

Ya just can't take a squirrel and make it work like a horse!


[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]Don't ask[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2002
  #7  
Slammed2k1's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
From: Reading, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
Slammed2k1 is an unknown quantity at this point
It is also has a constant pressue, the regulator is in the tank.
Chris
Reply
Old Jan 29, 2002
  #8  
BlueIce2001's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 286
Likes: 0
From: Houston, Texas, US
Rep Power: 0
BlueIce2001 is an unknown quantity at this point
i could have sworn that i was readin a thread that said they hooked up a vtec controller to a 01
but i am not sure am i trippin????? or did some one say that??
Reply
Old Feb 6, 2002
  #9  
PerfectD3's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 825
Likes: 0
From: Deland, Florida, US
Rep Power: 0
PerfectD3 is an unknown quantity at this point
They did, but later found out it didn't work.

The reason Honda went with a returnless fuel system....

Why else...Emissions!

With fuel not circulating back to the tank, the in tank temperatures stay low, so not as much vaporization occurs, which results in higher emissions. Damn [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-puke.gif[/IMG]ULEV crap!
Reply
Old Feb 6, 2002
  #10  
NeoMagus's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 3,636
Likes: 0
From: Central PA, Pennsylvania, US
Rep Power: 0
NeoMagus is an unknown quantity at this point
dont you mean lower emissions?

less vaporization would mean less emission
Reply
Old Feb 6, 2002
  #11  
black2k1vtec's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 1,509
Likes: 0
From: BC, British Columbia, Canada
Rep Power: 0
black2k1vtec is an unknown quantity at this point
It sucks!

You cant have the fuel pressure rise, as the boost or N2O psi increases, so you are limited to the amount of fuel supplyed by the pump, but the RSX system flows at higher volume and psi than the 7th gen, so hopefully they will come up with something similar for our cars.
Reply
Old Feb 6, 2002
  #12  
PerfectD3's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 825
Likes: 0
From: Deland, Florida, US
Rep Power: 0
PerfectD3 is an unknown quantity at this point
Thank you Neo. I didn't notice my mistake.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Honda Civic Forum
Replies
Last Post
vtecbrah
7th Generation Civic 2001 - 2005
9
May 31, 2015 01:24 PM
PJ
General Automotive Discussion
27
Sep 5, 2003 01:00 PM
PJ
General Automotive Discussion
4
Jan 27, 2002 03:53 PM
htowncivicEX
Parts and Products
13
Jan 21, 2002 11:48 AM
TaiChi
General Honda Civic Forum Archive.
11
Dec 17, 2001 09:09 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:48 AM.