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Old Jul 8, 2005
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Originally Posted by EManEX
"Toyota is expecting much better results from the Canadians, whom are known for their conservative, business-friendly policies, anti-unionist mentality, and their willingness to work for slave wages. “Canadians don’t care, they’re given a job and they do it. Pay is the least of their concern, as they’re happy to work, not like the socialist minded American workers.” "

Thats the real reason they will open the plant there.

Like the only reason they are raising prices is to help GM. Come on give me a F*** break, why is a company that has stated they want to become the biggest auto maker in the world what the rival to out sell them?

Toyota has been opening its mouth too much. Usually I don't hate on a company, but Toyota is starting to annoyed me.
Think you highlighted it the best..
Truth is they want to pay people **** and American people wont let them do that. They also hate unions, umm wonder why.. they protect the people.
Its obvious they think they can get away with playing it dirty in Canada. Hell GM has done it... You think GM is all American lol, honestly think again. Take a look at where thier plants are.



I like to note that everyones car on this site is American built go look it up!
so have fun bashing your own vechs

Ohh ya I understand where toyota is coming from...Fresno california... Most arent american born and have never seen school. They pick crops all day

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Originally Posted by modoman
1) did you read the quote i had? your "answer" has little to do with my response. i am arguing that most of america is NOT lazy, which many people have stated in their replies. read up^. thats all i said, nothing more, nothing less. apparently you dont understand that my reply is not towards the article, but towards the people in this thread saying americans are generally lazy.
2) we all see stupid people everyday, dont you drive on any highways, or shop at grocery stores/wal marts?
3) i understand perfectly well what the article is about, and i do not blame toyota at all.... please do NOT treat me like an uneducated person, as that makes me extremely angry. why you chose to respond to my reply, i have no idea.

edited once again.

just to make things simpler, heres another quote.

understand? thanks. next time, try to use your education to place some context into my replies.
I wasn't attacking you, nor did I say anything about you being uneducated. In fact, I said in the post, that the people on this site are at least HS educated. If you took that as an attack, I am sorry. I was just simply explaining to EVERYONE what I believed the context of the article was about and to combat the silly things that people were saying (as was quoted by you!). I used your quote because you defended the US as not being lazy, which wasn't the point of the article. however, others tried to make the point of the article and you corrected them on that. Again, I am sorry if you feel attacked, but I wasn't personally saying you were uneducated. I would appreciate you not to attack me before you know the reasons behind what I posted. I understand that it makes it you feel angry for someone to call you uneducated, because it makes me angry too. However, that wasn't the context of my post.

EDIT: The YOU is generic in the post and not directed specifically towards you.

EDIT II: And I would follow you own advice in the rep you gave me. I would appreciate not giving people bad rep for something that you don't know the context behind.

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Originally Posted by WhiteCastle
...You think GM is all American lol, honestly think again. Take a look at where thier plants are.



I like to note that everyones car on this site is American built go look it up!
so have fun bashing your own vechs

Ohh ya I understand where toyota is coming from...Fresno california... Most arent american born and have never seen school. They pick crops all day
Can't agree more with you. GM has so many plants out side the US and not only that but it is considering sending more jobs outside the US too.
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Originally Posted by robbclark1
I wasn't attacking you, nor did I say anything about you being uneducated. In fact, I said in the post, that the people on this site are at least HS educated. If you took that as an attack, I am sorry. I was just simply explaining to EVERYONE what I believed the context of the article was about and to combat the silly things that people were saying (as was quoted by you!). I used your quote because you defended the US as not being lazy, which wasn't the point of the article. however, others tried to make the point of the article and you corrected them on that. Again, I am sorry if you feel attacked, but I wasn't personally saying you were uneducated. I would appreciate you not to attack me before you know the reasons behind what I posted. I understand that it makes it you feel angry for someone to call you uneducated, because it makes me angry too. However, that wasn't the context of my post.

EDIT: The YOU is generic in the post and not directed specifically towards you.

EDIT II: And I would follow you own advice in the rep you gave me. I would appreciate not giving people bad rep for something that you don't know the context behind.
i see. indeed at the time i was already very pissed from work, and that was just bad timing i guess. indeed the rep is poor taste, and 5 min afterwards i felt pretty bad, especially since its towards you, and i understand youve been around here a while, and make good posts. i apologize, but a huge pet peeve of mine is being undermined, and then no one cares what i say after... sorry man.
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we dont take kindly to ur kind around here!!!
I'm american, I don't need no how to read. President bush does all the reading foar me as for you hippies liberals, well you can gettt outtt!!
I dont need no foriegn fancy speakin funny man tell me how to work or speak, let those bobble headin' frenchies keep their toyotas!!!
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Originally Posted by jackburton
we dont take kindly to ur kind around here!!!
I'm american, I don't need no how to read. President bush does all the reading foar me as for you hippies liberals, well you can gettt outtt!!
I dont need no foriegn fancy speakin funny man tell me how to work or speak, let those bobble headin' frenchies keep their toyotas!!!
I aint lazy, u lazy.
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I really hope this is a joke
If it is
If not

BTW Where are you in MD?
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i call the article BS. The author is obviously completely bias. You can from the way the article is written that he has a complete bias against bush and his facts are incorrect. He writes the article to completely inflame. He uses the two states in the union that are one of the poorest in the union as a representive of the United States.

The example of "67% literacy rate" he uses is incorrect. The literacy rate for the United States is 95%.

http://www.arthurhu.com/index/literacy.htm

US workers, work the most in the world. US workers work longer then both German and Japanese workers.

Anyways, i highly doubt Toyota was say anything inflaming like that. You can probably assume the author took words out of context to support his article.
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Originally Posted by jackburton
we dont take kindly to ur kind around here!!!
I'm american, I don't need no how to read. President bush does all the reading foar me as for you hippies liberals, well you can gettt outtt!!
I dont need no foriegn fancy speakin funny man tell me how to work or speak, let those bobble headin' frenchies keep their toyotas!!!
I aint lazy, u lazy.
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I really hope you're joking, because thats almost the funniest thing I've read all day
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I think a big part of the decision was based on the fact that they have another plant an hour down the road.
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a toyota plant was planned to be built around my town a little north of austin... guess its not now eh
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I don't know if this has been metioned yet?

but one major reason they choose Canada over the US is simple, they won't have to pay a dime for medical insurance for employees! thats why a lot of companies head over the border.
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nah dude, you cant generalize americans like that! lol, it may be funny but americans are hard working. why do you think they have one of the strongest economies in the world
generally we aren't hard working and our economy is slowly crumbling... again.
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i find it hard to believe that america's literacy rate 67%.. and that you can get a job making $55k a year + pension without knowing how to read.

if this is the case i'm moving to Alabama or wherever and becoming an executive for a car company.
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I want facts, how can you say US citizens are lazy????
Did you go out and survey and come to this conclusion????
I want to know your thought process, look around can you see this crumbling, you act as if we are falling apart as a country???
If so then what has changed since the last 200 sum odd years, nothing, its america, it is always "falling apart" and people will always worry about our dollar not being worth that much, but it is all non-sense. People need to calm down, and stop making uneducated generalizations. Also the **** i read on hear sometimes does gets to me cause i cannot believe how dumb some people are, and remember i said "some".
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after reading this and then discussing this topic with some family members. I wouldn't be surprised about the literacy rate...this is my second yr out of HS and the schools are just plain sad nowadays. even if people are stupid doesn't mean they can't learn anything or hold a job, its just the lack of motivation they have..."pure laziness" compared to alot of other countries we are deff lacking in the educational department but other countries are just willing to work, no matter what the job.
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Originally Posted by jackburton
I want facts, how can you say US citizens are lazy????
Did you go out and survey and come to this conclusion????
I want to know your thought process, look around can you see this crumbling, you act as if we are falling apart as a country???
If so then what has changed since the last 200 sum odd years, nothing, its america, it is always "falling apart" and people will always worry about our dollar not being worth that much, but it is all non-sense. People need to calm down, and stop making uneducated generalizations. Also the **** i read on hear sometimes does gets to me cause i cannot believe how dumb some people are, and remember i said "some".

Like what I said, it is just a badly written article that is only worth reading between the lines.
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In 1979 literacy rates were around 97%. Since then we have had a major influx of immigrants from various countries. Our demographics have changed and consequently reflect in our literacy rates.

http://www.nifl.gov/nifl/facts/IALS.html

The people that are arguing that american's are lazy are missing the point of the article. The fact is that many in the United states population are uneducated. This country is run by a minority of people.
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Ay who cares about toyota all their cars with the exception of the Celica and Supra (which aren't made anymore)suck anyway imo
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Americans are stupid? Right...Well, I can't speak for Californians, but Toyota's building a plant in San Antonio.
http://www.toyota.com/about/operatio...xas/index.html

Also, here's the intelligence level of Toyota. I work for a large construction firm, so I know this for a fact. Toyota put a broad form idemnification clause in their contract, basically saying that for whatever reason whatsoever, the contractor is at fault. All that does is make all the contractors pad their bids making a $4 billion plant, $8 billion. So who's stupid?
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Originally Posted by Michalo187
Ay who cares about toyota all their cars with the exception of the Celica and Supra (which aren't made anymore)suck anyway imo
and the MR2...and the Toyota Corolla GTS and the IS300, and the new AWD IS...and the SC430, oh, and that hot sports car concept they have in the works aaaand, maybe the Corolla w. the detuned GT-S engine. Oh, and the Celica All-Trac. I think thats it. Yeah, thats it. Oh, the tC is alright too, esp. the aftermarket support they've provided for it. I think thats it now. Yeah, thats it. Other than that, what a crap company.
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thats just a dumb statement "americans are stupid" the population of the US is like 300 million right? thats alot of people obviously there is going to be people that are less educated than others, population of Canada's only like 30 million.
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Originally Posted by LowSky
i find it hard to believe that america's literacy rate 67%.. and that you can get a job making $55k a year + pension without knowing how to read.

if this is the case i'm moving to Alabama or wherever and becoming an executive for a car company.
its not 67%. Its 95% i already posted the link for it.
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Originally Posted by bamb00
The problem these days is that no one understands satire anymore. This is obviously a stretch of the truth. Ever heard of Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal"? Same deal. Read between the lines my friend.
It is still poorly written even as a satire. It starts out about illiterate US workers and then ends by telling people to get off their duffs and stop the jobs from going to Canada and Africa(?), but yours sounds like the most likely explanation. Isn't there something called the Canadian Auto Workers Union? Don't Canadian Auto workers live pretty well? If the US is so pro-union then how come NONE of Honda's plants in the US are unionized? Maybe if the US had a health plan like Canada's (not that it can) it would be more appealing for companies to set up shop here.
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Originally Posted by Roosbok
It is still poorly written even as a satire. It starts out about illiterate US workers and then ends by telling people to get off their duffs and stop the jobs from going to Canada and Africa(?), but yours sounds like the most likely explanation. Isn't there something called the Canadian Auto Workers Union? Don't Canadian Auto workers live pretty well? If the US is so pro-union then how come NONE of Honda's plants in the US are unionized? Maybe if the US had a health plan like Canada's (not that it can) it would be more appealing for companies to set up shop here.
In truth automobiles are Canada's biggest industry. The second largest is automobile parts. After that you have more conventional things like oil, agriculture etc etc. Maybe the infrastructure, or tax rates, or god knows what is more favourable up here or something. They're practically straddling the border anyways, I wonder how many Americans commute?

The US of A could have socialized health care, they just chose not to, its a nation too afraid to raise tax rates. God forbid someone get a free ride on someone else's dime, the motto of the working class, meanwhile the upper class fleeces them in their sleep as tax cuts go deeper and deeper and social services decline steadily. Just look at the schools.
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US could have full medicare. It's actually cheaper. Total medical costs in Canada = 10% of GDP. Total medical costs in US = 15% of GDP.
That's half again as much as Canada pays. (sorry to state the obvious).
And the US also has a higher GDP per capita so the difference is even bigger.

Also, our drugs aren't cheaper because of price controls, we hardly ever enforced them (twice I think) and we gave the drug industry extra years of patent protection to make up for the control laws. But the real reason is that our health services buy in bulk. You know what kind of rate you can get on drugs when you buy enough for the whole province of Ontario at once?

Also, article must be a joke. We have bloated union stuff in the auto sector here too.
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Originally Posted by dre2600
and the MR2...and the Toyota Corolla GTS and the IS300, and the new AWD IS...and the SC430, oh, and that hot sports car concept they have in the works aaaand, maybe the Corolla w. the detuned GT-S engine. Oh, and the Celica All-Trac. I think thats it. Yeah, thats it. Oh, the tC is alright too, esp. the aftermarket support they've provided for it. I think thats it now. Yeah, thats it. Other than that, what a crap company.
Besides the cars i mentioned and the mr2 i really don't like any other cars from toyota
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Originally Posted by Fox
US could have full medicare. It's actually cheaper. Total medical costs in Canada = 10% of GDP. Total medical costs in US = 15% of GDP.
That's half again as much as Canada pays. (sorry to state the obvious).
And the US also has a higher GDP per capita so the difference is even bigger.

Also, our drugs aren't cheaper because of price controls, we hardly ever enforced them (twice I think) and we gave the drug industry extra years of patent protection to make up for the control laws. But the real reason is that our health services buy in bulk. You know what kind of rate you can get on drugs when you buy enough for the whole province of Ontario at once?

Also, article must be a joke. We have bloated union stuff in the auto sector here too.
American doctors and nurses get paid more though. I know, I've known a few just-graduated nurses who have been head-hunted right after graduating by American firms.

As for patent protection, if a drug won't perform financially, drug companies have no incentive to develop new ones, unless of course they have a big market for them. So 'small' diseases won't see drugs developed unless the government can ensure a company will have a monopoly and thus a source of income from a certain drug for 'x' years.
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Originally Posted by Michalo187
Besides the cars i mentioned and the mr2 i really don't like any other cars from toyota
Wow, really, not even anything w. the 4AGE (read Corolla GTS), Celica All-Trac (AWD, turbocharged), or IS300? You're really discerning eh?
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