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i'm amazed people are even claiming the 7th gen is equal to an ep hatch. much less claiming a bolt on i/h/e 7th gen can "eat ep hatches for breakfast".
ep hatches have run 15.5-15.6 stock. the FASTEST stock 7th gen was 15.8. and it was only run once. the next fastest i've seen are 15.9-16.0. and i/h/e on a D17 is NOT going to make the 7th gen a 15.5 car.
ep hatches have run 15.5-15.6 stock. the FASTEST stock 7th gen was 15.8. and it was only run once. the next fastest i've seen are 15.9-16.0. and i/h/e on a D17 is NOT going to make the 7th gen a 15.5 car.
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Rep Power: 336 the design on the car makes handling sucky, and like ive said before, the car looks fugly. so then the shift **** is in the middle. guys its just personal preference. i was not impressed either. thats why i just bought the coupe. and if the driver is bad then a coupe can take an si. then with that, it could also be said that a stock si can't run 15.5 either right? if im wrong sorry. anyway, its not worth it. with the money you didn't spend on an si you could spend it on modding the coupe to make faster that the si for cheaper.
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Rep Power: 400 there is a difference between someone running a poor driver in an Si (which means they'd also have to be one hell of a driver in the EX) vs claiming the 7th gen is equal or faster.
many people seem to be claiming that stock or with bolt ons, the latter of the two is the case. a reality check is needed for those who claim such.
many people seem to be claiming that stock or with bolt ons, the latter of the two is the case. a reality check is needed for those who claim such.
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Rep Power: 0 anyone see the vid of an ep3 beating an s2k on the track? if the ep3 sucks at handling, so does the s2k... and we all know the mighty s2k isn't a real sports car, right?
Anyways, looks are subjective. I personally love the way the ep3 looks... Stock, it's alright, but drop the egg, put on some wheels, maybe a body kit, and the thing looks badass.
As far as power goes, I "eat EXs for breakfast" all the time. Does that mean the ep3 is really faster? Maybe.. maybe not.. but I do have at least 30hp on the EX so at least my statement that i eat EXs for breakfast is a little bit more valid.
Anyways, looks are subjective. I personally love the way the ep3 looks... Stock, it's alright, but drop the egg, put on some wheels, maybe a body kit, and the thing looks badass.
As far as power goes, I "eat EXs for breakfast" all the time. Does that mean the ep3 is really faster? Maybe.. maybe not.. but I do have at least 30hp on the EX so at least my statement that i eat EXs for breakfast is a little bit more valid.
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Rep Power: 380 Um... you have to realize, how well a car does out on track is more a matter of who's driving it then what the chassis is actually capible of. Seriously, I beat "Faster" cars all the time both in autocross and open track. Hell, I passed a Porsche GT3 at the last track day. and I have a lil 127Hp civic EX.
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
Um... you have to realize, how well a car does out on track is more a matter of who's driving it then what the chassis is actually capible of. Seriously, I beat "Faster" cars all the time both in autocross and open track. Hell, I passed a Porsche GT3 at the last track day. and I have a lil 127Hp civic EX.
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Rep Power: 380 the handling isnt nessisarly "Sucky" but you have to realize, a "lesser" civic can fit the exact suspension an Si can, it can run the same size wheels and tires ect.. meaning, In the persuit of cornering G's the non Si civic has the advantage simply because its lighter. Is it enough to beat on on track? Probably not due to the HP advantage (Damn Straights 
), but given the same setups, the Non Si civic will be able to pull Higher G#'s then the Si. Imagin how much more fun the Si would be if it were 200 LBS lighter. :O
), but given the same setups, the Non Si civic will be able to pull Higher G#'s then the Si. Imagin how much more fun the Si would be if it were 200 LBS lighter. :O Registered!!
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
Imagin how much more fun the Si would be if it were 200 LBS lighter. :O
If you were a serious road racer or autox'er, you can shave that 200lbs easily from an ep3. All that extra weight was just to make the car "civil" for american roads. Take a look at the UKDM or JDM EP3-R.. those things are lighter because they don't carry all the junk the Si has. Besides, is the Si really that heavy? How heavy was the EM1? And how heavy is the EM2?
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
your car is not faster than an Si. period. post a 15.5 timeslip and then we'll talk.
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i'm amazed people are even claiming the 7th gen is equal to an ep hatch. much less claiming a bolt on i/h/e 7th gen can "eat ep hatches for breakfast"
i read that same post and was like wtf are u kiddin me where do people get off claiming these things
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Rep Power: 0 i believe the a3 is also one of the best k series motors for boost but i havent got to ride in any with boost yet. the biggest advantage of the k motors over the b or d's is the torque because of the displacement.
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Originally Posted by 02hfpcivicsi
i believe the a3 is also one of the best k series motors for boost but i havent got to ride in any with boost yet. the biggest advantage of the k motors over the b or d's is the torque because of the displacement.
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Originally Posted by AzNTiG3R
There's no way your vic w/ a D-series engine w/ just bolt-ons can beat or even keep up w/ an Si 
I have lost to 6thgen SI's but never to a stock 7thgen SI. Just not worth it to me.
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Originally Posted by 1320Racing
You just dont know better...
I have lost to 6thgen SI's but never to a stock 7thgen SI. Just not worth it to me.
I have lost to 6thgen SI's but never to a stock 7thgen SI. Just not worth it to me.
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Originally Posted by chibianh
anyone see the vid of an ep3 beating an s2k on the track? if the ep3 sucks at handling, so does the s2k... and we all know the mighty s2k isn't a real sports car, right?
Anyways, looks are subjective. I personally love the way the ep3 looks... Stock, it's alright, but drop the egg, put on some wheels, maybe a body kit, and the thing looks badass.
As far as power goes, I "eat EXs for breakfast" all the time. Does that mean the ep3 is really faster? Maybe.. maybe not.. but I do have at least 30hp on the EX so at least my statement that i eat EXs for breakfast is a little bit more valid.
Anyways, looks are subjective. I personally love the way the ep3 looks... Stock, it's alright, but drop the egg, put on some wheels, maybe a body kit, and the thing looks badass.
As far as power goes, I "eat EXs for breakfast" all the time. Does that mean the ep3 is really faster? Maybe.. maybe not.. but I do have at least 30hp on the EX so at least my statement that i eat EXs for breakfast is a little bit more valid.
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Originally Posted by chibianh
anyone see the vid of an ep3 beating an s2k on the track? if the ep3 sucks at handling, so does the s2k... and we all know the mighty s2k isn't a real sports car, right?
hell, i could drive an ice cream truck around an auto-x track faster than my mom could drive an S2000. so does that mean the ice cream truck should be in A-stock too?
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go find redline. hes posting 15.1s with bolt-ons in a non-vtec motor. it can be done.
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Rep Power: 0 i have love for the em2 ive had one and the ep is way better. you guys talk about the ep costing so much more then the em2 and its not worth it, thats funny because i paid $18,000 for a 04 Ex and i only paid $16,900 for my SI. i also have never lost to a em1,and they dont weigh that much more what 150-200lbs or some ****.How is that heavy the EVO 8 is 3000lbs+. yeah you can say its a economy engine but it still makes more power then the ALL MIGHTY B16A2.
another thing all these ppl talk **** about the ep untill they see it in person then that all changes.
another thing all these ppl talk **** about the ep untill they see it in person then that all changes.
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Rep Power: 0 The new 7th gen civic si is a great car, thats why I bought it. Yes it is heavier, yes it does have a different design that sets it apart than any other civic, and yes it does not have the conventional vtec system.
The ep3 has the ability to handle well. It is also an engine with a great torque/horsepower curve. I would love to see an em2 take a stock ep3 in a race.
Im running intake/header/exhaust/throttle body bore/intake manifold port matching/hondata img/hondata k-pro/custom ground kit with 97-98 octane daily and the a3 is no joke. My car dynoed in at 154 hp and 126 tq with just i/h/e/img/ground kit with 45 pound wheel/tire combo and 113 degree intake temps.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/752910
The ep3 has the ability to handle well. It is also an engine with a great torque/horsepower curve. I would love to see an em2 take a stock ep3 in a race.
Im running intake/header/exhaust/throttle body bore/intake manifold port matching/hondata img/hondata k-pro/custom ground kit with 97-98 octane daily and the a3 is no joke. My car dynoed in at 154 hp and 126 tq with just i/h/e/img/ground kit with 45 pound wheel/tire combo and 113 degree intake temps.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/752910
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Originally Posted by chibianh
lol.. it was a Top Gear video.. and being sarcastic on the net is just impossible.
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The new 7th gen civic si is a great car, thats why I bought it. Yes it is heavier, yes it does have a different design that sets it apart than any other civic, and yes it does not have the conventional vtec system.
The ep3 has the ability to handle well. It is also an engine with a great torque/horsepower curve. I would love to see an em2 take a stock ep3 in a race.
Im running intake/header/exhaust/throttle body bore/intake manifold port matching/hondata img/hondata k-pro/custom ground kit with 97-98 octane daily and the a3 is no joke. My car dynoed in at 154 hp and 126 tq with just i/h/e/img/ground kit with 45 pound wheel/tire combo and 113 degree intake temps.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/752910
The ep3 has the ability to handle well. It is also an engine with a great torque/horsepower curve. I would love to see an em2 take a stock ep3 in a race.
Im running intake/header/exhaust/throttle body bore/intake manifold port matching/hondata img/hondata k-pro/custom ground kit with 97-98 octane daily and the a3 is no joke. My car dynoed in at 154 hp and 126 tq with just i/h/e/img/ground kit with 45 pound wheel/tire combo and 113 degree intake temps.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/752910
and is there some reason you are running 97-98 octane? do you have higher than stock compression? are you turbo'd? if not, then you are not benefitting from running such high octane gas. (unless you've advanced your timing with the hondata mod)
and where did you get 97-98 octane gas? just curious since i haven't seen a gas station that sells 97-98 octane in the US, aside from some airports and race tracks.
and i hope you're not going to say you buy premium 93 octane gas at a gas station and use some octane booster to get to 97-98.
octane boosters only add about 1 point of octane at the absolute most. of course, seeing as how you bought a grounding kit, it wouldn't surprise me if this is what you were doing..... Last edited by S2000man01; Jul 5, 2005 at 08:21 PM.
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
hell, i could drive an ice cream truck around an auto-x track faster than my mom could drive an S2000. so does that mean the ice cream truck should be in A-stock too?
i'm thinking about getting a used EP3, and i'm also considering a used S2000. the si has a ton of potential but it's no S2k, the S2k is a true sports car, but it's not very practical... but i am young, it's the time to have an impractical car i guess.
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
grounding kit? why the hell do people get a grounding kit thinking it actually does something....
and is there some reason you are running 97-98 octane? do you have higher than stock compression? are you turbo'd? if not, then you are not benefitting from running such high octane gas. (unless you've advanced your timing with the hondata mod)
and where did you get 97-98 octane gas? just curious since i haven't seen a gas station that sells 97-98 octane in the US, aside from some airports and race tracks.
and i hope you're not going to say you buy premium 93 octane gas at a gas station and use some octane booster to get to 97-98. octane boosters only add about 1 point of octane at the absolute most. of course, seeing as how you bought a grounding kit, it wouldn't surprise me if this is what you were doing.....
and is there some reason you are running 97-98 octane? do you have higher than stock compression? are you turbo'd? if not, then you are not benefitting from running such high octane gas. (unless you've advanced your timing with the hondata mod)
and where did you get 97-98 octane gas? just curious since i haven't seen a gas station that sells 97-98 octane in the US, aside from some airports and race tracks.
and i hope you're not going to say you buy premium 93 octane gas at a gas station and use some octane booster to get to 97-98.
octane boosters only add about 1 point of octane at the absolute most. of course, seeing as how you bought a grounding kit, it wouldn't surprise me if this is what you were doing.....Yes I am using a fuel additive to boost Californian 91 octane to 97-98 but it is not a normal octane booster. It is race only NOS octane booster only legal for the track that also contains nitromethane. 60 points = 6 full numbers and this is at 16 gallons. The si's tank is 13.2. O, and yes I am taking advantage of the high octane fuel with hondata. I have completely eliminated the knocks that I had before using 91 octane.
