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Yeah, I think most people take the b20 block and put a v-tec head on it. Kinda like the best of both worlds. You have v-tech, plus you can boost like a ***** on that b20 block! (or so I hear)
So back to the topic of this thread.......when's the next update comin?
Wuz up htown? How's the swap comin?

 
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Well I just spoke with Jerry (mechanic at IB). They are picking up the crossmember for sure sometime this coming week. He estimates 2-3 weeks until everything is finished.

My earlier projection that they would be finished this week was based on the assumption that the crossmember would be available within a few days. Basically the consensus seems to be that once they get the crossmember, another 2-3 weeks and the job will be done.

Kinda frustrated that things keep getting pushed further and further back. But really I'm just trying to be patient at this point, no sense in getting teed off or anything. And you can be assured that if there are no updates, then there is no news. I'm not holding info back from anybody. So please don't post garbage like, "Is it done yet? Is it? Is It? IS IT?????"

Thanks to everyone for their support, and yeah I know it is frustrating to wait sometimes. Believe me, I know better than anybody. It is going to be a pain in the butt scheduling a flight to LA on short notice. But hey - I really can't do anything about it other than wait patiently. I've already missed my original flight to LA (on May 16) and am going to have to pay a rescheduling penalty plus the exorbitant costs of a one-way ticket with less than a week's notice. So whatever pains people think they are experiencing waiting for this thing to pan out, believe me I feel ya.

Keeping my head up,
Aaron

 
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One other extremely interesting topic came up during my e-mails with Jeff this week. Jeff seems pretty sure that a B-series motor will drop right into our engine bays. He said we could do LS/VTEC or CRV/VTEC on our cars. I asked him, "Are you sure?" and he said yeah it will drop right in.

Now I have an extremely hard time believing this, as our engine bays are cramped to the max. I will definitely have to ask some follow-up questions on this when I go down to LA to pick my car up.

 
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Would you know the weight difference between the K20A2 and the B18c1? I would ask dimensions, too... but I think that'd be asking a lot.

It seems silly that a B-engine would fit into out cars. I wouldn't say it's impossible. It's not like you'd have to reweild the chassis to make it fit in along with the tranny and other stuff... or could I be right?

 
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if a bseries can fit directly in our cars, then dayum. im goin straight for the b18c5 !!!! [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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looks like pics are going to be delayed a couple of days also

i havent been able to find a digi, im going out to my brothers this weekend to sell him my comp (to pay for my nx kit ) and ill pick up his digi while im there

 
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It seems really improbable to be able to fit a B-series into the EM chassis. Besides the fact that you're pretty much limited in your choice of engines to swap in (2001+), because it is illegal in most states to swap an older engine into a newer chassis.

There is simply no space in our engine bays. Drag is having big problems with their turbo kit for the Type S, because everything is packed so closely together the heat from the turbo is messing with critical engine components.

Oh well, I will get the full scoop when I get a chance to see Jeff and Jerry in person in a few weeks (hopefully).

 
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damn htown, i don't know how you are dealing with this...i'd be soo pissed by now...good thing you are more patient then me...well stick it out man...hopefully it'll be done soon...mad props to ya!!

peace [IMG]i/expressions/beer_yum.gif[/IMG]

 
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Damn!! It would be so cool that the B-Series engines would fit, there would be so much engines to choose from and so many parts........ but it's only hope.........

 
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imoport builders lower the price the more they make you wait...shiiiiiit...Htowns should be free by now! Htown...they givin you a decent price? concidering the delays?

 
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htown, why is it so far fetched for the b series to BOLT IN? After all, the 2k1 Civics are not the ONLY EM Civics. Look at the VIN plate of ANY 1999-2000 Civic SI. EMs. Just like the 2k1 Civics.

Honda chose to keep a mutation of the D series engine under the nose of the new Civic. How many other Civics that had D-series motors originally now have B series motors?

Yeah it may be illegal to swap in an older motor, but who acutally cares. Here in Kansas our emissions laws are so lax you can run straight pipe all year long. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] Those people in picky states just need to make friends with the local smog refs. IF you are still nervous about swapping in an older motor, then just look for a 2001, CR-V, GS-R, or Type R short block.

As is evident in your own post, K20 DOES NOT bolt in. But the swap isn't impossible with enough money. (Reminds me of the old b16a into 2nd gen CRX. =)


Regards


hondastaR =)

 
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thats a damn good first post buddy... anyone else with mechanical knowledge wanna comment on this? sounds very interesting

 
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I got my car checked at a local garage and they got the same conclusion that i did.

As for the B series engine they have an engine mount infront while the D17 that we have in our cars are missing one and the transmission uses cables...

There are two metal bars making a x infront of the firewall i dont know if the rods are going to pass like the cable do.

if we would go for a OBD I then i guess it could go threw the firewall without any problems, same as the crv/tech with the old cable tranny. Also it might be a tight fit cause the B engines are slighty "FATTER" then the D engines so i dont know if the headers would overheat... Then again no one knows for sure.

sorry for the bad english

 
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Htown,

Did you already order the keys from Acura dealership?

Do you know if they come already cut? cause if they do you have to change all your barrels otherwise can you get them cut use the shape of your present civic keys, and can it be cut by a normal machine cause the metal is not the same (i think).

Anyway BIG props to you!

 
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yeah... pics of a k20 in a 7thgencivic would be nice right about now..

 
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i spoke with a honda specialist shop a few days ago. someone here just drop a b18c type r into a 2k1 civic. from what the shop owner told me, there are massive modification needed. its not straight drop in. and the cost is high. about 4 grand... i'll try to get some photos if the shop is willing to give the car owners phone number to me...

stay tune

 
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sounds like the usual bs 2 me

 
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Won't believe it 'till I see it. Definitely get pics if you can, because if that's true it opens up a whole new world for us.[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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How much does a B18C5 engine cost, cause with the 4 grand that they say it cost to install thast alot.....................

 
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Yes, but you are aware that the chassis of the 7th gen and the 6th gen are entirely different right? Just compare the size and layout of our engine bay to a 99 or 2000 SI. You'll see what I mean when I say it looks improbable to fit a B-series (or a D16 for that mater) into our engine bays. The fact that the VIN#'s may have the same code designation is irrelevant. Even if you could somehow cram a B-series into our chassis, if you want to bolt on a turbocharger or supercharger you might have to lose A/C, power steering, or at worst fabricate an entire new front end.

Well you may not give a hoot, but keeping your car emissions legal and/or paying off a service shop isn't as easy as it sounds. The way the new emissions inspection structure is set up in Harris County (Houston), it is simply not worth it for a shop to risk being sued and losing its license just to earn a couple of bucks from some hybrid owners.

The RSX into the 7th gen Civic is actually the swap that makes the most sense, given that:

- The two chassis are identical (the engine mounts and crossmembers are located on opposite sides, however). This means that engines between the two cars are guaranteed to physically fit into each other's chassis. Any bolt-ons for the RSX Type S engine will also work with the same engine swapped into an EM Civic. This includes any turbocharger or supercharger setups.

- Any RSX engine swapped into a 7th gen Civic is emissions legal for the reasons stated above

The RSX swap may not be a true bolt-in in the sense that you can just drop the engine and go, but it is as close to a bolt-in swap as you'll find for the 7th gen Civic. Note that I'm not saying a B-series swap is impossible, I just think it's going to be extremely difficult. That's why I was very surprised when IB said that a B-series engine will drop right in. But like I said, I will definitely ask them more about it when I'm down in LA to pick up the car. I'm definitely interested in hearing what they have to say about it.

In the meantime, if anyone has any pics of the B-series -> EM Civic swap already completed, feel free to post them. Like most people, I remain skeptical about any wild engine swap / turbo / supercharger claims until I see proof.

 
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The key hasn't been made yet; a guy from the Acura dealership is actually going to come to IB to cut the key. What exactly do you mean by changing all of the barrels?

 
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A B18C5 runs anywhere from $4,500 to $6000. About the same as a Type S engine. Plus any B18C5 you find will undoubtedly have more miles and wear and tear than a comparable Type S motor.

 
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We've discussed pricing a long time ago, we will discuss it again once everything is done and working. At this point I'm not really of the mind to take them to task for the delays, honestly I just want to get the thing done and to get my car back to Houston in one piece.

 
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in french its the barrils so i taught that in english it would be the same thing. It's the part of the lock that you put your key in and can turn in it so that not every keys would work. You know the part of the lock that checks the keys and prevent turning it if it is not the right cut.

Im still learning english =)

 
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Oh ok I understand. Yeah we are installing a new RSX immobilizer unit (which includes the barrel). The new key that we cut will be matched to fit the new barrel.

 
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cool thanks!

 
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i'm glad someone understands

 
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AzNmiKex215

Thank you for the compliment!

I can certainly see your point about being smog legal. I was only pointing out the fact that most import performance enthusiust find ways around emissions, after all you aren't SUPPOSED to run an older ecu but people do for..... FOR RACE USE ONLY [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG] It is up to the individual if they want to be smong legal and slow or polluting and fast! [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] J/K [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

Again if you want too see the an EM Civic with a B series motor look at any 1999-2000 Civic Si.
A B series motor in a 7th gen isn't that far fetched. Importbuilders thinks it will bolt in. In my opinion, I would trust Jeff when he says that a B series motor will bolt in. He knows his stuff.

As far as the cable linkage to rod linkage issue is concerned, I recently converted an EG 93 LX 4dr from automatic to stick; in addition to swapping in a b-series motor. I only had to drill two holes in the floor and use two long bolts and a couple of nuts for the stabalizer rod to be bolted into place.
Your guys cable shifters and cable likage should be as easy to change over as an automatic's cable shifter.

For the front engine mount that someone said was missing on the 7th gen Civic, I would like to remind eveyone that it isn't a critical engine mount. Only three are critical (left top, right top and rear mounts are). Don't belive me? Look at a Hasport or Place Racing kit with a B series motor in a 4th Gen Civic/ 2nd Gen CRX. Three mounts. Want to see a motor that can barely fit into the chasis, look a 3rd Gen Civic/1st Gen CRX with a B Series motor w/ the Hasport kit. (Keep in mind that the chasis itself predates both the B and D series motors yet can easily acomidate the transplant with minor modifications.)

As for a D16 being able to fit into a 7th Gen Civic, it already has a D series motor. Why wouldn't it be able to accept another D series?

I believe in Honda, and I believe in Jeff. If Jeff says the B series bolts in, then it bolts in.

I am just thankful that Honda didn't let it's enthusiust down by creating a basterdized non bolt-in swappable strain of Honda Civic. LoL [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] This means that 7th Gens still have as much potential as the older Civics. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

Let the B series swapping into the 7th Gen BEGIN!!! [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]


Regards,



hondastaR

 
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I sure hope your right cause i really would like to fit a b18c or a crv into my car it would be a lot cheaper... anyway good luck

 
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Anybody gone to IB to take some pics?