rsx-s vs. SRT, G35, S2000 - Kills
04-21-2005
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all of you are overlooking the fact that it was an 05 type S ... the 05 has the type r cams.
hurts: he has i/h/e, which adds about 30 whp + 10 for the cams ... enough to drop the 1/4 mile time by quite a bit. And since they were racing from a roll, that takes away the RWD advantage from some of those cars ... not that they had good launches anyway though ... nevertheless, he still beat them
also, bench racing =
... I'm sure s2000man will argue that those times of 14.2 for the s2000 and 13.9 for the srt4 are highly inaccurate/debatable
hurts: he has i/h/e, which adds about 30 whp + 10 for the cams ... enough to drop the 1/4 mile time by quite a bit. And since they were racing from a roll, that takes away the RWD advantage from some of those cars ... not that they had good launches anyway though ... nevertheless, he still beat them
also, bench racing =
... I'm sure s2000man will argue that those times of 14.2 for the s2000 and 13.9 for the srt4 are highly inaccurate/debatable 
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quicksilver- what are you basing this on? not dyno sheets, because all the dynos ive seen on rsx's show that it gains like 2 or 3 hp, no where near enough to beat the cars he beat.
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
all of you are overlooking the fact that it was an 05 type S ... the 05 has the type r cams.
hurts: he has i/h/e, which adds about 30 whp + 10 for the cams ... enough to drop the 1/4 mile time by quite a bit. And since they were racing from a roll, that takes away the RWD advantage from some of those cars ... not that they had good launches anyway though ... nevertheless, he still beat them
also, bench racing = ... I'm sure s2000man will argue that those times of 14.2 for the s2000 and 13.9 for the srt4 are highly inaccurate/debatable
hurts: he has i/h/e, which adds about 30 whp + 10 for the cams ... enough to drop the 1/4 mile time by quite a bit. And since they were racing from a roll, that takes away the RWD advantage from some of those cars ... not that they had good launches anyway though ... nevertheless, he still beat them
also, bench racing =
... I'm sure s2000man will argue that those times of 14.2 for the s2000 and 13.9 for the srt4 are highly inaccurate/debatable
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
all of you are overlooking the fact that it was an 05 type S ... the 05 has the type r cams.
hurts: he has i/h/e, which adds about 30 whp + 10 for the cams ... enough to drop the 1/4 mile time by quite a bit. And since they were racing from a roll, that takes away the RWD advantage from some of those cars ... not that they had good launches anyway though ... nevertheless, he still beat them
also, bench racing = ... I'm sure s2000man will argue that those times of 14.2 for the s2000 and 13.9 for the srt4 are highly inaccurate/debatable
hurts: he has i/h/e, which adds about 30 whp + 10 for the cams ... enough to drop the 1/4 mile time by quite a bit. And since they were racing from a roll, that takes away the RWD advantage from some of those cars ... not that they had good launches anyway though ... nevertheless, he still beat them
also, bench racing =
... I'm sure s2000man will argue that those times of 14.2 for the s2000 and 13.9 for the srt4 are highly inaccurate/debatableYou got a good point about the 05 being extra healthy from the factory. Type R cams, bore throttle body and larger exhaust to begin with. Its dynos really strong even in its stock form. with Intake, headers Exhaust the car probobly is putting more than 200 WHP.
04-22-2005
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Rep Power: 0 I've been actually thinking of selling my car and getting an 05 Type-S. $1200 in mods(I/H/E) and you can push over 200whp. After doing some research I can believe this guy being his car is an 05. A guy here was putting 193whp with I/H/E and reflash. He was running 13.8's pretty consistant. Now he's turboed and runs 12's. But the point I'm trying to make if he can do it with 193whp I think this guy is making over 200whp with just I/H/E thanks to the 05 improvements and capable of running faster times. Now if hondata can find a way to market an 05 ECU upgrade that is cost effective and around the same price the 05 RSX would have a killer dollar to hp mod ratio.
Check this out
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...&page_number=3
05 Dyno 179.9 Stock
Gained 7hp just by modifying stock airbox
So with a real CAI, header and exhaust that would put this car over 200whp for sure.
Hondata even says "This engine responds better to tuning than the K20A2, probably due to the better cams and the fact that the stock ECU runs so rich at the top end. A race header, with tuning will provide a significant increase in the mid range and top end torque."
http://www.hondata.com/dynok20-05rsx.html
Dynoed 05 RSX with just intake 190 peak whp
Modified 04 ECU with Hondata tuned bumped it up to 208 pkwhp, not to mention the gains elsewhere throughout the RPMs.
So with the quick beep head start and I/H/E I believe him and 13.6 would sound about right to me. Plus there is the Driver factor.
05 RSX sounds really nice right now. Money is burning hole in my pocket. Might just put my car on autotrader and see what happens.
Check this out
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...&page_number=3
05 Dyno 179.9 Stock
Gained 7hp just by modifying stock airbox
So with a real CAI, header and exhaust that would put this car over 200whp for sure.
Hondata even says "This engine responds better to tuning than the K20A2, probably due to the better cams and the fact that the stock ECU runs so rich at the top end. A race header, with tuning will provide a significant increase in the mid range and top end torque."
http://www.hondata.com/dynok20-05rsx.html
Dynoed 05 RSX with just intake 190 peak whp
Modified 04 ECU with Hondata tuned bumped it up to 208 pkwhp, not to mention the gains elsewhere throughout the RPMs.
So with the quick beep head start and I/H/E I believe him and 13.6 would sound about right to me. Plus there is the Driver factor.
05 RSX sounds really nice right now. Money is burning hole in my pocket. Might just put my car on autotrader and see what happens.
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Originally Posted by Asahi
someone re-up the video so i can watch it and kno wtf everyone is talkin about! lol. or linkme to the one on clubrsx 
http://www.customdc5.com/hosted/05ty...wild_small.wmv
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Rep Power: 281 Not the best vid but here is one
Hondata Type S vs s2000 vs evo 8
http://www.bobaedream.com/board/data...ontent=evo%208
Hondata Type S vs s2000 vs evo 8
http://www.bobaedream.com/board/data...ontent=evo%208
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Originally Posted by Redline04
Now if hondata can find a way to market an 05 ECU upgrade that is cost effective and around the same price the 05 RSX would have a killer dollar to hp mod ratio.
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Originally Posted by nindoo
Not the best vid but here is one
Hondata Type S vs s2000 vs evo 8
http://www.bobaedream.com/board/data...ontent=evo%208
Hondata Type S vs s2000 vs evo 8
http://www.bobaedream.com/board/data...ontent=evo%208
I know somone (I think you all know who I mean) that won't be too happy about that vid....lol
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
some people are buying 02-04 ecu's for their 05 and using hondata with that
You can't get reasonable speedometer readings that way. It shows 120mph half way to redline in second gear.
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Originally Posted by watermelonman
Who?
You can't get reasonable speedometer readings that way. It shows 120mph half way to redline in second gear.
You can't get reasonable speedometer readings that way. It shows 120mph half way to redline in second gear.
don't ask me to justify what they did, I'm telling you what I've seen
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
a couple people on crsx did it. hondata did it.
don't ask me to justify what they did, I'm telling you what I've seen
don't ask me to justify what they did, I'm telling you what I've seen
It won't do you much good in a street car.
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
it'll do you about as much good as any reflash or kpro program
Originally Posted by Hondata
The VTC mechanism is wired differently.
The 02 Heater is wired differently
The Speed sensor is now mounted on a coutershaft and spins much faster. (in first gear we datalogged 155 mph)
The throttle mounted evap bypass solenoid is gone
Most of the ECU plug wires have changed position
The speedometer is wired differently (during our tests it did not function)
The 02 Heater is wired differently
The Speed sensor is now mounted on a coutershaft and spins much faster. (in first gear we datalogged 155 mph)
The throttle mounted evap bypass solenoid is gone
Most of the ECU plug wires have changed position
The speedometer is wired differently (during our tests it did not function)
04-23-2005
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Originally Posted by watermelonman
Perhaps you haven't been reading the messages you've been replying to.
You're not driving a car like that on the street.
You're not driving a car like that on the street.
04-25-2005
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
all based on opinion ... I really don't give a **** as long as I'm faster on street than the rest as far as those "problems" are concerned.
By the way, Hondata won't even sell you the adaptor harness. It was a one-off built for a dyno run. Going to build it on your own?
Anyway, the point is that no one on Club RSX is driving around an 05 with a Hondata ECU, whether or not you think it makes sense.
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Originally Posted by watermelonman
No, those are facts. They're facts just like the fact that an 02-04 reflash does the driver more good than an 05 hack job.
By the way, Hondata won't even sell you the adaptor harness. It was a one-off built for a dyno run. Going to build it on your own?
Anyway, the point is that no one on Club RSX is driving around an 05 with a Hondata ECU, whether or not you think it makes sense.
By the way, Hondata won't even sell you the adaptor harness. It was a one-off built for a dyno run. Going to build it on your own?
Anyway, the point is that no one on Club RSX is driving around an 05 with a Hondata ECU, whether or not you think it makes sense.
you don't need hondata to make you an adaptor harness, only wiring diagrams.
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
whether or not you drive an 05 rsx w/ an 02-04 ecu is opinion, not fact.
some would use it on the track.
you don't need hondata to make you an adaptor harness, only wiring diagrams.
It sounds like you're in violent agreement, except for the fact that no one on Club RSX is running like this and you seem to think they are.
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Rep Power: 376 from memory, shawn church, who again, owns the dyno shop where hondata does their R&D and pretty much knows more in his pinky finger about hondas than all of us put together, stated something to the effect that the hack job for putting an 02-04 ECU into an 05 RSX would make the car pretty much undriveable in any kind of daily condition. they are currently working on a flash for the 05+ RSX. If memory serves me correctly, he stated this on clubrsx.
and as stated back to regular point. a race header is different than what this dude claims he was running.
and another aside, i've raced against several RSX's putting down even slightly more hp than me to the wheels (210whp) when I was stock (202whp). and I pulled every time. you're forgetting two major factors. powerband, and gearing. both of which the S2000 excels at moreso than the RSX. the cars are about even on weight. (2700lbs.)
So either the S2k was weak and/or the RSX is a factory freak. or the guy is lying about what he has done. (or the S2000 owner was short shifting)
and as stated back to regular point. a race header is different than what this dude claims he was running.
and another aside, i've raced against several RSX's putting down even slightly more hp than me to the wheels (210whp) when I was stock (202whp). and I pulled every time. you're forgetting two major factors. powerband, and gearing. both of which the S2000 excels at moreso than the RSX. the cars are about even on weight. (2700lbs.)
So either the S2k was weak and/or the RSX is a factory freak. or the guy is lying about what he has done. (or the S2000 owner was short shifting)
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Originally Posted by S2000man01
you're forgetting two major factors. powerband, and gearing. (or the S2000 owner was short shifting)
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