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Originally Posted by ACURAwerx
a misfiring system, when the car runs really rich it cuts off the gas and runs it thru the exhaust or something. (you lose horsepower when you run really rich).. its illegal for street use i believe though
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Originally Posted by NoFriends
Wtf are you smoking.. A misfiring system? buahahahahaha...
WTF are you smoking? obviously you've never heard of one, they are used on "high performance" vehicles.... why don't you do some research before you post something like that? moron.. i knew someone who had a misfire system on their supra
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Rep Power: 0 "The misfire system is just a specially set exhaust system designed to release the excess igniting fuel from the motor without degrading performance. Essentially, the engine is running rich, and the exhaust manifold and catylytic converter are set up in some not restricting way that allows the gasses to pass through it, almost acting as a vacuum to pull the engine like a turbo charger. The system may also sport spark plugs in the manifold, so that the ignition time is least constricting on performance. I guess this takes pressure off the exhaust manifold which allows the car to run continuously at very high rpm with a turbocharger. The way it works is still a little fuzzy to me, but this is the best I can say at the moment."
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Originally Posted by ACURAwerx
WTF are you smoking? obviously you've never heard of one, they are used on "high performance" vehicles.... why don't you do some research before you post something like that? moron.. i knew someone who had a misfire system on their supra
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Originally Posted by NoFriends
Flamerthrower kits are completely different then "misfiring" and igniting the excess fuel in the exhaust gas. If your friend had a flamethrower kit on his supra, he needs to be kicked in the nuts.
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Originally Posted by ACURAwerx
"The misfire system is just a specially set exhaust system designed to release the excess igniting fuel from the motor without degrading performance. Essentially, the engine is running rich, and the exhaust manifold and catylytic converter are set up in some not restricting way that allows the gasses to pass through it, almost acting as a vacuum to pull the engine like a turbo charger. The system may also sport spark plugs in the manifold, so that the ignition time is least constricting on performance. I guess this takes pressure off the exhaust manifold which allows the car to run continuously at very high rpm with a turbocharger. The way it works is still a little fuzzy to me, but this is the best I can say at the moment."
got that off the internet for the idiots that are going to flame because they don't know what it is...
got that off the internet for the idiots that are going to flame because they don't know what it is...
That is just a flamethrower kit. Adding a sparkplug somewhere downstream from your exhaust manifold to ignite the excess gas. There is no purpose of it to make power. All that combustion needs to be inside the cylinders to be able to do anything. Most high performance turbo cars will shoot flames without any help from a additional spark plug.
Please show me a link to where I can buy these "misfire" systems. And just because you got it off the internet, doesnt make it true...
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Rep Power: 396 I always thought high eprformance cars got the little puff of fire because they were running rich, reguarless of a misfire system... and I've never heard of it either LOL
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Rep Power: 396 Huh, I just looked and Bee*R does make rev limiter/misfire systems... I always thought this came natural but it's really for idiots you arn't skilled enough to shift properly lol (or for pure track usage and drifitng when you may take your eyes off the gauge and we know how fast those crazy rpms shoot up on those cars lol)
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Originally Posted by NoFriends
That is just a flamethrower kit. Adding a sparkplug somewhere downstream from your exhaust manifold to ignite the excess gas. There is no purpose of it to make power. All that combustion needs to be inside the cylinders to be able to do anything. Most high performance turbo cars will shoot flames without any help from a additional spark plug.
Please show me a link to where I can buy these "misfire" systems. And just because you got it off the internet, doesnt make it true...
"Pigs have been known to spontaneously catch fire and begin yoddling. While this amazing behavior has been observed for countless generations, only last week has it been caught on film. Please click here to see the video as well as free ****. Oh and you've also won $100,000 and a free ipod for being the 2,284,235th person to read this."
Please show me a link to where I can buy these "misfire" systems. And just because you got it off the internet, doesnt make it true...
"Pigs have been known to spontaneously catch fire and begin yoddling. While this amazing behavior has been observed for countless generations, only last week has it been caught on film. Please click here to see the video as well as free ****. Oh and you've also won $100,000 and a free ipod for being the 2,284,235th person to read this."
I don't know if that is the correct defniition of a misfire system (i just looked it up online).. i am no expert... I knew a guy with a supra and he said he always got pulled over cuz he had a misfire system on his car that made it shoot flames out of the exhaust.. also i saw a video on kazaa that was titled misfire system or something and it was a RSx with flames coming out of it exhaust.... Look up "misfire system" online.. you'll find stuff i guess its the same thing as a anti lag system
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Originally Posted by NoFriends
That is just a flamethrower kit. Adding a sparkplug somewhere downstream from your exhaust manifold to ignite the excess gas. There is no purpose of it to make power. All that combustion needs to be inside the cylinders to be able to do anything. Most high performance turbo cars will shoot flames without any help from a additional spark plug.
Please show me a link to where I can buy these "misfire" systems. And just because you got it off the internet, doesnt make it true...
"Pigs have been known to spontaneously catch fire and begin yoddling. While this amazing behavior has been observed for countless generations, only last week has it been caught on film. Please click here to see the video as well as free ****. Oh and you've also won $100,000 and a free ipod for being the 2,284,235th person to read this."
Please show me a link to where I can buy these "misfire" systems. And just because you got it off the internet, doesnt make it true...
"Pigs have been known to spontaneously catch fire and begin yoddling. While this amazing behavior has been observed for countless generations, only last week has it been caught on film. Please click here to see the video as well as free ****. Oh and you've also won $100,000 and a free ipod for being the 2,284,235th person to read this."
you can buy from here http://www.drifting.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278 go to the link.. i don't know why you didn't just search on google for "misfire systems" there are plenty of links... please atleast look it up before you come on here saying im a liar and making **** up... heres another car with a misfire systm http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache...ystem%22&hl=en
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"Ignition cutting causes fire"
Nothing more then a rev limiter and flameball shooter.
However, I see now there are more sophisicated models used on WRC cars but it puts a huge strain on the motor and really isnt practical or legal for street use. They are a lot more complicated then throwing a spark plug in your cat though.
TURBO-CHARGER ANTI-LAG SYSTEM
Autronic turbo-charger anti-lag system uses a coordinated fuel and ignition control strategy in conjunction with a large effective throttle opening to produce a substantial reduction in turbo-charger "lag". The system is effective from a standing start, throughout up & down shifts and when accelerating out of corners. The system can be used with a large fixed throttle opening, or in conjunction- with electro-mechanical throttle by-pass valve or a throttle "kicker" solenoid. The system incorporates an optional turbo-charger cool-down function that ensures rapid cool-down prior to engine shutdown.
This anti-lag system allows the engine's large throttle opening or bypass to produce a considerable amount of hot high velocity exhaust gas that sustains high turbo-charger speed.
This is achieved with a higher than normal idle speed (2000 to 4000 RPM typ.). The cool-down mode uses a different strategy to produce a large volume of cool exhaust gas for rapid turbo cool-down and it simultaneously controls idle engine speed with the large throttle opening required.
CAUTION
This anti-lag system, like all others, causes considerable heating of engine, exhaust valves, exhaust manifold, turbo-charger and exhaust system. Consideration must be given to the possibility of component damage or possible vehicle fire.
Set-up of the anti-lag system MUST NOT be attempted without monitoring EXHAUST GAS TEMPERATURE (EGT) in the vicinity of the turbine wheel. A knowledge of the maximum safe working temperature a of the turbo-charger turbine is essential. A turbo tacho and a pressure gauge to measure the turbo compressor outlet pressure are also useful tools to assist in the setup of anti-lag.
Operating Modes
1. Throttle opening/bypass controlled anti-lag, using a mechanical or electro-mechanical throttle opener or bypass. ECU activation of the anti-lag function with dash mounted inhibit switch.
2. ECU controlled throttle opening/bypass using an electro-mechanical throttle opener or bypass valve. Dash mounted switch allows driver selection of and-lag function.
3. Fixed throttle opening with full automatic control by ECU with manual override or manual control of and-lag and cool-down function
Notes:- Modes 1 & 2 do not effectively use the fast cool-down function. Anti-lag action is terminated by excessive engine temperature (> 110 degC)
Mode 3 is the simplest mode to use, since it requires no additional engine mounted hardware (eg: throttle kickers or solenoid controlled by-pass valves). The cool-down mode is also most effective in this mode.
MODE 1.
MODE 2.
MODE 3.
Mode 3 use a fixed large throttle opening (typically 8 to 20%). This modes antilag function uses this large opening, high idle speed (typically 2500 to 400O RPM) and ignition retard to produce a considerable amount of hot high velocity exhaust gas that sustains high turbo-charger speed. The cool-down mode uses a different strategy to produce a much cooler exhaust gas temperature and simultaneously control idle engine speed with this large initial throttle opening, when anti-lag is not active.
Activation.
1. Manual:- Ground anti-lag I/P pin to switch from cool-down to anti-lag mode.
2. Automatic:- Anti-lag activated by engine RPM exceeding 500O RPM and remains active far 15 seconds after RPM falls below 5000RPM.
3. Auto/Manual:- As per automatic mode above but inhibited if Anti-lag I/P not grounded.
ANTI-LAG SETUP
Throttle opening, ignition retard and the resulting anti-lag no-load RPM must be chosen to produce the best compromise between excessive exhaust temperature and good anti-lag action. More throttle requires greater ignition retard to control no-load throttle closed RPM, and results in higher EGT. Anti-lag ignition timing for small capacity 4 valve central spark plug combustion chamber engines should be in range -20 to -30 deg. For large capacity 2 valve engines -2 to -2O deg should suffice. Ignition timing retard should be maintained up to a MAP value as high as possible but must be eliminated before 1 atmosphere is reached to ensure adequate off-boost performance. Below anti-lag RPM normal ignition timing should be restored so that engine torque increases with decreasing RPM in order to stabilize RPM. Additional fuel during and-lag is often required to help control EGT. A value between 10 and 20% extra is usually beneficial. The User defined PWM table functions as the anti-lag ignition offset table 1% = 1 deg retard.
eg:- Anti-lag idle @ 2600 RPM approx. User Define PWM output %(0 to 100)
Load/RPM Example TPS/RPM Example
RPM RPM
LOAD 2400 2600 4000 TPS 2400 2600 4000
97.0 0.0 40.0 50.0 12.0 0.0 40.0 50.0
98.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 15.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Engine idles @ 2600 RPM with 88 to 92 kPa MAP below butterfly with 30 – 40 = -10 deg ignition. Gives 130 to 150 kPa MAP above butterfly.
!!!! IMPORTANT!!!!
1. Irrespective of the actual throttle opening used the ECU must be reset so that the selected open is seen by the ECU as 0% open. Throttle limit learning must be performed each time a new throttle stop setting is set.
2. Before attempting anti-lag set-up it is most important that correct fuel and ignition calibration be achieved for "normal" engine operation.
COOL-DOWN SETUP
The cooldown function produces a stable idle with an exhaust sound similar to that produced by engines fitted with long duration camshafts. This disappears as soon as the engine is laboured at low RPM or loaded at higher RPMs. Spark plugs normally remain clean even during extend periods of cool-down idling. Cooldown MIN RPM and MAX RPM settings are set to values above and below the Desired cooldown idle RPM. These values should be at least 800 RPM apart to prevent idle instability. The cool-down mode MAX THROTTLE setting is usually set to 5% for best drivability.
eg:- Cool-down idle @ 1700 RPM
COOLDOWN MIN RPM - 1400 RPM
COOLDOWN MAX RPM - 2400 RPM
COOLDOWN MAX THROTTLE = 5%. original location = http://www.wrxfanatics.com/index.php...T&f=43&t=1295&
"Ignition cutting causes fire"
Nothing more then a rev limiter and flameball shooter.
However, I see now there are more sophisicated models used on WRC cars but it puts a huge strain on the motor and really isnt practical or legal for street use. They are a lot more complicated then throwing a spark plug in your cat though.
TURBO-CHARGER ANTI-LAG SYSTEM
Autronic turbo-charger anti-lag system uses a coordinated fuel and ignition control strategy in conjunction with a large effective throttle opening to produce a substantial reduction in turbo-charger "lag". The system is effective from a standing start, throughout up & down shifts and when accelerating out of corners. The system can be used with a large fixed throttle opening, or in conjunction- with electro-mechanical throttle by-pass valve or a throttle "kicker" solenoid. The system incorporates an optional turbo-charger cool-down function that ensures rapid cool-down prior to engine shutdown.
This anti-lag system allows the engine's large throttle opening or bypass to produce a considerable amount of hot high velocity exhaust gas that sustains high turbo-charger speed.
This is achieved with a higher than normal idle speed (2000 to 4000 RPM typ.). The cool-down mode uses a different strategy to produce a large volume of cool exhaust gas for rapid turbo cool-down and it simultaneously controls idle engine speed with the large throttle opening required.
CAUTION
This anti-lag system, like all others, causes considerable heating of engine, exhaust valves, exhaust manifold, turbo-charger and exhaust system. Consideration must be given to the possibility of component damage or possible vehicle fire.
Set-up of the anti-lag system MUST NOT be attempted without monitoring EXHAUST GAS TEMPERATURE (EGT) in the vicinity of the turbine wheel. A knowledge of the maximum safe working temperature a of the turbo-charger turbine is essential. A turbo tacho and a pressure gauge to measure the turbo compressor outlet pressure are also useful tools to assist in the setup of anti-lag.
Operating Modes
1. Throttle opening/bypass controlled anti-lag, using a mechanical or electro-mechanical throttle opener or bypass. ECU activation of the anti-lag function with dash mounted inhibit switch.
2. ECU controlled throttle opening/bypass using an electro-mechanical throttle opener or bypass valve. Dash mounted switch allows driver selection of and-lag function.
3. Fixed throttle opening with full automatic control by ECU with manual override or manual control of and-lag and cool-down function
Notes:- Modes 1 & 2 do not effectively use the fast cool-down function. Anti-lag action is terminated by excessive engine temperature (> 110 degC)
Mode 3 is the simplest mode to use, since it requires no additional engine mounted hardware (eg: throttle kickers or solenoid controlled by-pass valves). The cool-down mode is also most effective in this mode.
MODE 1.
MODE 2.
MODE 3.
Mode 3 use a fixed large throttle opening (typically 8 to 20%). This modes antilag function uses this large opening, high idle speed (typically 2500 to 400O RPM) and ignition retard to produce a considerable amount of hot high velocity exhaust gas that sustains high turbo-charger speed. The cool-down mode uses a different strategy to produce a much cooler exhaust gas temperature and simultaneously control idle engine speed with this large initial throttle opening, when anti-lag is not active.
Activation.
1. Manual:- Ground anti-lag I/P pin to switch from cool-down to anti-lag mode.
2. Automatic:- Anti-lag activated by engine RPM exceeding 500O RPM and remains active far 15 seconds after RPM falls below 5000RPM.
3. Auto/Manual:- As per automatic mode above but inhibited if Anti-lag I/P not grounded.
ANTI-LAG SETUP
Throttle opening, ignition retard and the resulting anti-lag no-load RPM must be chosen to produce the best compromise between excessive exhaust temperature and good anti-lag action. More throttle requires greater ignition retard to control no-load throttle closed RPM, and results in higher EGT. Anti-lag ignition timing for small capacity 4 valve central spark plug combustion chamber engines should be in range -20 to -30 deg. For large capacity 2 valve engines -2 to -2O deg should suffice. Ignition timing retard should be maintained up to a MAP value as high as possible but must be eliminated before 1 atmosphere is reached to ensure adequate off-boost performance. Below anti-lag RPM normal ignition timing should be restored so that engine torque increases with decreasing RPM in order to stabilize RPM. Additional fuel during and-lag is often required to help control EGT. A value between 10 and 20% extra is usually beneficial. The User defined PWM table functions as the anti-lag ignition offset table 1% = 1 deg retard.
eg:- Anti-lag idle @ 2600 RPM approx. User Define PWM output %(0 to 100)
Load/RPM Example TPS/RPM Example
RPM RPM
LOAD 2400 2600 4000 TPS 2400 2600 4000
97.0 0.0 40.0 50.0 12.0 0.0 40.0 50.0
98.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 15.0 0.0 0.0 0.0
Engine idles @ 2600 RPM with 88 to 92 kPa MAP below butterfly with 30 – 40 = -10 deg ignition. Gives 130 to 150 kPa MAP above butterfly.
!!!! IMPORTANT!!!!
1. Irrespective of the actual throttle opening used the ECU must be reset so that the selected open is seen by the ECU as 0% open. Throttle limit learning must be performed each time a new throttle stop setting is set.
2. Before attempting anti-lag set-up it is most important that correct fuel and ignition calibration be achieved for "normal" engine operation.
COOL-DOWN SETUP
The cooldown function produces a stable idle with an exhaust sound similar to that produced by engines fitted with long duration camshafts. This disappears as soon as the engine is laboured at low RPM or loaded at higher RPMs. Spark plugs normally remain clean even during extend periods of cool-down idling. Cooldown MIN RPM and MAX RPM settings are set to values above and below the Desired cooldown idle RPM. These values should be at least 800 RPM apart to prevent idle instability. The cool-down mode MAX THROTTLE setting is usually set to 5% for best drivability.
eg:- Cool-down idle @ 1700 RPM
COOLDOWN MIN RPM - 1400 RPM
COOLDOWN MAX RPM - 2400 RPM
COOLDOWN MAX THROTTLE = 5%. original location = http://www.wrxfanatics.com/index.php...T&f=43&t=1295&
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Rep Power: 0 ^^^ me neither, its too long to read.. yes there are systems that shot flames out of your exahust that actually help performance and not just for show.. i just wanted to make sure that whoever asked about the flames knew it wasn't simply "no cat" and running rich as someone has said.. theres actually a system that makes your car perform better.
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Rep Power: 0 Yea, I was not aware that systems that advanced existed. I cant imagine having one on a street going car, you would be backfiring and shooting flames everytime you got off the gas. But the science behind is really quite cool, using explosions to create a vaccum to keep the turbine spinning.
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