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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
the Si's vtec is similar to that of the ex's vtec. the only difference is that the intake cam has vtc.
I'm not arguing that the ex's engine is better ... it's worse. If you are arguing that ivtec > vtec, then how about running a 2002+ Si vs. an 01 Prelude ... Si loses. Like stated above, only the numbers matter.
Wow, you're an idiot. I can't even believe you're comparing a d17 to an s2k. Where to begin?
those cars that you listed, namely the Si, type S and s2k are for higher performance. are you forgetting something? they're all dohc, idiot. I don't even know why you're comparing vtec systems ... VTEC IS NOT TURBO BUDDY. vtec is a simple system of valve timing in which its purpose is engine efficiency, not a performance feature. I don't even know why the **** you said "because its not even performance close to the (etc)".
the reason for the vtec "kick" is up to a certain rpm, the engine is to be fuel efficient, but then have the power available to kick in when needed. Honda COULD'VE made F, B, H, K, C, etc series engines have a smooth powerband and valve timing changeover (which would have been optimal for power), but they wanted a nice fuel efficient car that runs at an efficient rpm on the highway and such.
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I'm not arguing that the ex's engine is better ... it's worse. If you are arguing that ivtec > vtec, then how about running a 2002+ Si vs. an 01 Prelude ... Si loses. Like stated above, only the numbers matter.
Wow, you're an idiot. I can't even believe you're comparing a d17 to an s2k. Where to begin?
those cars that you listed, namely the Si, type S and s2k are for higher performance. are you forgetting something? they're all dohc, idiot. I don't even know why you're comparing vtec systems ... VTEC IS NOT TURBO BUDDY. vtec is a simple system of valve timing in which its purpose is engine efficiency, not a performance feature. I don't even know why the **** you said "because its not even performance close to the (etc)".
the reason for the vtec "kick" is up to a certain rpm, the engine is to be fuel efficient, but then have the power available to kick in when needed. Honda COULD'VE made F, B, H, K, C, etc series engines have a smooth powerband and valve timing changeover (which would have been optimal for power), but they wanted a nice fuel efficient car that runs at an efficient rpm on the highway and such.
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Originally Posted by Shlomo
i would like to see a dyno of a stock civic with just flywheel and clutch upgrade. I think most of that added power is from these two mods. Did you notice a difference in power right after the clutch and flywheel?
wishfull thinking
anyway the clutch just grabs better its no power increase...may feel like it at times but thats cause the stock clutch is weaker.
Originally Posted by Arith
Yes, sI arent super fast cars, there are high 15sec cars (some mid 15's), but a ex isnt a super fast car either and stock vs stock its not even remotely as fast as an sI. Even a slightly modded ex will not take a stock sI. Also, once again... i-vtec > vtec, i dont car if its i-vtec on the sI isnt true i-vtec, the vtec on the ex isnt even truer (if thats a word, lol) then i-vtec on the sI. Vtec on the ex is for green world reason, ie: it should be called gas vtec, because its not even performance close to the sI, type-s or even s2000 i-vtec/vtec system.
I took a modded Si when I used to have I/H/E pulley
I sold some of that stuff now.
So you are incorrect.
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Originally Posted by Arith
Yes, sI arent super fast cars, there are high 15sec cars (some mid 15's), but a ex isnt a super fast car either and stock vs stock its not even remotely as fast as an sI. Even a slightly modded ex will not take a stock sI. Also, once again... i-vtec > vtec, i dont car if its i-vtec on the sI isnt true i-vtec, the vtec on the ex isnt even truer (if thats a word, lol) then i-vtec on the sI. Vtec on the ex is for green world reason, ie: it should be called gas vtec, because its not even performance close to the sI, type-s or even s2000 i-vtec/vtec system.
Im sorry, you win the argument
Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
the Si's vtec is similar to that of the ex's vtec. the only difference is that the intake cam has vtc.
I'm not arguing that the ex's engine is better ... it's worse. If you are arguing that ivtec > vtec, then how about running a 2002+ Si vs. an 01 Prelude ... Si loses. Like stated above, only the numbers matter.
Wow, you're an idiot. I can't even believe you're comparing a d17 to an s2k. Where to begin?
those cars that you listed, namely the Si, type S and s2k are for higher performance. are you forgetting something? they're all dohc, idiot. I don't even know why you're comparing vtec systems ... VTEC IS NOT TURBO BUDDY. vtec is a simple system of valve timing in which its purpose is engine efficiency, not a performance feature. I don't even know why the **** you said "because its not even performance close to the (etc)".
the reason for the vtec "kick" is up to a certain rpm, the engine is to be fuel efficient, but then have the power available to kick in when needed. Honda COULD'VE made F, B, H, K, C, etc series engines have a smooth powerband and valve timing changeover (which would have been optimal for power), but they wanted a nice fuel efficient car that runs at an efficient rpm on the highway and such.
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I'm not arguing that the ex's engine is better ... it's worse. If you are arguing that ivtec > vtec, then how about running a 2002+ Si vs. an 01 Prelude ... Si loses. Like stated above, only the numbers matter.
Wow, you're an idiot. I can't even believe you're comparing a d17 to an s2k. Where to begin?
those cars that you listed, namely the Si, type S and s2k are for higher performance. are you forgetting something? they're all dohc, idiot. I don't even know why you're comparing vtec systems ... VTEC IS NOT TURBO BUDDY. vtec is a simple system of valve timing in which its purpose is engine efficiency, not a performance feature. I don't even know why the **** you said "because its not even performance close to the (etc)".
the reason for the vtec "kick" is up to a certain rpm, the engine is to be fuel efficient, but then have the power available to kick in when needed. Honda COULD'VE made F, B, H, K, C, etc series engines have a smooth powerband and valve timing changeover (which would have been optimal for power), but they wanted a nice fuel efficient car that runs at an efficient rpm on the highway and such.
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Originally Posted by cdmx
I took a modded Si when I used to have I/H/E pulley
I sold some of that stuff now.
So you are incorrect.
I sold some of that stuff now.
So you are incorrect.
Last edited by Arith; Nov 14, 2004 at 06:09 PM.
[/QUOTE]lmao, what mods did he have? If he had anything less than i/h/e you beat the driver not the car. Just as quick you can post you beat one to make a point that im wrong, i can just as quick to post i beat modded saleens everyday, but we all know that aint the truth[/QUOTE]
did you just say that he beat the driver and not the car????? That sounds very similar to me saying that it is a drivers race. your response to that was that a stock Si was alot faster than an ex and you were 100% sure it would always win. And last time that I checked it takes a driver to drive a car so they are a package you beat one and you beat the other.
[/QUOTE]did you just say that he beat the driver and not the car????? That sounds very similar to me saying that it is a drivers race. your response to that was that a stock Si was alot faster than an ex and you were 100% sure it would always win. And last time that I checked it takes a driver to drive a car so they are a package you beat one and you beat the other.
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Originally Posted by Arith
Reading thru my post, i still cant seem to find where im comparing an engine to a car (d17 to the s2000)? Here, look thru my post too... tell me where i put that. Oh, but what I do see is me comparing the VVT systems between the vehicles. I guess your right... the sI, type-s, s2000 vtec/i-vtec isnt performance wise better than the ex vtec
Im sorry, you win the argument thx, most people don't let me win that easily. 
I think your the dumbass, im wasnt comparing an ex to a s2000, my comparsion was on the peformance wise of i-vtec to vtec system in the ex, sI, type-s and s2000 since they come with some sort of VVT system. Unforuntely and any sI, type-s or s2000 owner can tell you that i-vtec/vtec is different on there car compared to a ex, that was my argument, go back and check. Even tho vtec is similar on the sI to the ex, its better and its more performance orintated than the ex vtec, that was my argument. Stupid ***, you quoted me even say that, so how am i wrong?...
I quoted how you were comparing ex's vtec to s2k, rsx-s and an Si's vtec. www.hookedonphonics.com plz
lmao, what mods did he have? If he had anything less than i/h/e you beat the driver not the car. Just as quick you can post you beat one to make a point that im wrong, i can just as quick to post i beat modded saleens everyday, but we all know that aint the truth
THE DRIVER MAKES THE CAR
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Im sorry, you win the argument
thx, most people don't let me win that easily. I think your the dumbass, im wasnt comparing an ex to a s2000, my comparsion was on the peformance wise of i-vtec to vtec system in the ex, sI, type-s and s2000 since they come with some sort of VVT system. Unforuntely and any sI, type-s or s2000 owner can tell you that i-vtec/vtec is different on there car compared to a ex, that was my argument, go back and check. Even tho vtec is similar on the sI to the ex, its better and its more performance orintated than the ex vtec, that was my argument. Stupid ***, you quoted me even say that, so how am i wrong?...
I quoted how you were comparing ex's vtec to s2k, rsx-s and an Si's vtec. www.hookedonphonics.com plz
lmao, what mods did he have? If he had anything less than i/h/e you beat the driver not the car. Just as quick you can post you beat one to make a point that im wrong, i can just as quick to post i beat modded saleens everyday, but we all know that aint the truth
THE DRIVER MAKES THE CAR
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Rep Power: 304 So if the thread war is over. I still don't understand the role of the performance clutch. Does it catch better? What is the advantage of it as oppose to the stock ****ch.
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Rep Power: 0 the performance clutch is capable of holding more horsepower, and giving better launches. Example - my buddies turbo cl 2.3.....it dyno'ed 225@5 psi but his high rpm power curve was eratic....the clutch was slipping @ high rpms even though the disc was good, the oem parts can only tolerate so much abuse and horsepower....after the ACT extreme PP ans street/strip disc went in, he dyno'ed a solid 286@5 psi. I hope that clears up ur question, if you want any additional info pm me.
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Rep Power: 0 johnnys got the idea. the clutch just transfers power better. simple as that. i must say, those are good numbers, and the dyno looks nice as well. if i could somehow acheive low 15s with bolt ons and slight internal (PnP and stuff), i would be satisfied with the civic.
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Originally Posted by Silversleeper
johnnys got the idea. the clutch just transfers power better. simple as that. i must say, those are good numbers, and the dyno looks nice as well. if i could somehow acheive low 15s with bolt ons and slight internal (PnP and stuff), i would be satisfied with the civic.
Originally Posted by johnnyslil01ex
the performance clutch is capable of holding more horsepower, and giving better launches. Example - my buddies turbo cl 2.3.....it dyno'ed 225@5 psi but his high rpm power curve was eratic....the clutch was slipping @ high rpms even though the disc was good, the oem parts can only tolerate so much abuse and horsepower....after the ACT extreme PP ans street/strip disc went in, he dyno'ed a solid 286@5 psi. I hope that clears up ur question, if you want any additional info pm me.
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Rep Power: 0 Mostly horsepower. your stock clutch is good to approx 180-190 hp if your lucky....however over kill on the clutch could be catastrophic. If you upgrade you clutch do so in accordance to yuor other drivetrain mods, ie. axles.....you dont want to run a ACT extreme press. plate, and unsprung 6 puck when you have i/h/e, you'll put so much stress on the stock axles you'll prob snap em. Also you'll beat up your tranny pretty good. Always run a sprung hub disc, unless your doing a race/only application.
yep all of this crap is retarded. will an si bet an ex blah blah blah. who cares. how did we get on this topic i swear its like no one can just post something and get positive feed back. there is always ridicule from people who don't know what they are talking about. besides it was a good dyno. let us know how the turbo does. and just for the retards out there i have a civic coupe ex with a sri, dc header, tanabe racing exhaust, aem pullies. my friend has a 2000 si with aem cai, dc 4-2-1 header, and tanabe racing exhaust. i can run him all day and he can not beat me. it is up to the driver and his ability to drive the car so 10 hp's or so does not make a big difference.
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Originally Posted by orso
yep all of this crap is retarded. will an si bet an ex blah blah blah. who cares. how did we get on this topic i swear its like no one can just post something and get positive feed back. there is always ridicule from people who don't know what they are talking about. besides it was a good dyno. let us know how the turbo does. and just for the retards out there i have a civic coupe ex with a sri, dc header, tanabe racing exhaust, aem pullies. my friend has a 2000 si with aem cai, dc 4-2-1 header, and tanabe racing exhaust. i can run him all day and he can not beat me. it is up to the driver and his ability to drive the car so 10 hp's or so does not make a big difference.
Originally Posted by johnnyslil01ex
Mostly horsepower. your stock clutch is good to approx 180-190 hp if your lucky....however over kill on the clutch could be catastrophic. If you upgrade you clutch do so in accordance to yuor other drivetrain mods, ie. axles.....you dont want to run a ACT extreme press. plate, and unsprung 6 puck when you have i/h/e, you'll put so much stress on the stock axles you'll prob snap em. Also you'll beat up your tranny pretty good. Always run a sprung hub disc, unless your doing a race/only application.
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Rep Power: 0 I would suggest a Iceman intake....Iceman actually give proven result.....8% increase in hp, 6 or 5% in torque.....sumthin like that....anyway hella good power adder for the price....
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horsepower doesnt kill clutches and trannies, torque does. The HP rating on a cluth doesnt mean anything. if a clutch is rated for 300 hp then a tractor trailer engine puts that out, just with 1200 ft-lbs of torque, which would SHATTER the clutch. torque is more important in deciding on clutches.
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Originally Posted by johnnyslil01ex
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sry i had to say something again
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Rep Power: 0 I'll do what I want, when I want to....if you'd like to pay for it then please feel free. Im gettting pretty tired of these assbags giving me their input on "what I need to do" I do what I can w/what I got and my car, as ugly as it is, would most likely smoke yours so please refrain from comment, and keep posts associated with the topic. If you want to ***** ***** on the threads I started.(All due respect implied)
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Originally Posted by johnnyslil01ex
I would suggest a Iceman intake....Iceman actually give proven result.....8% increase in hp, 6 or 5% in torque.....sumthin like that....anyway hella good power adder for the price....
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Rep Power: 0 check Nopi's e-cat.....Nopionline.com got to clearance items for an 01 civic. I will look on another website to see if they stock it as well. It ussually goes for 175
Originally Posted by johnnyslil01ex
I would suggest a Iceman intake....Iceman actually give proven result.....8% increase in hp, 6 or 5% in torque.....sumthin like that....anyway hella good power adder for the price....
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Rep Power: 0 sweet numbers man. i'm happy for you.
on a side note, i beat a 6th gen Si and i had stock tires at the time and only had a catback exhaust. it's all up to the driver somtimes.
on a side note, i beat a 6th gen Si and i had stock tires at the time and only had a catback exhaust. it's all up to the driver somtimes.
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Originally Posted by Manthatguysfast
i tried searching for the iceman intake and I can only find it for cars civics before 01
IMPORTRP.COM has them $204 shipped
