450WHP Lightning vs. modded EVO vs. modded Stang GT
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450WHP Lightning vs. modded EVO vs. modded Stang GT
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Originally Posted by CuRiOuSfIsH
If the Evo did a high RPM 4WD clutch drop, it could have won.
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Originally Posted by phatcyclist
see, this is exactly why Mitsubishi is having such problems with thier warranties, your not SUPPOSED to do high RPM clutch drops in an AWD car, it destroys the drivetrain. Friction + lots of power + people being stupid and launching thier AWD cars = driveline death. This is the same reason why people have had problems with WRX trannys, because they were launching hard with them.
It's always a blast to see the Japs in Best Motoring launch the WRX's and Evo and GT-R's right around redline though.....
Originally Posted by CuRiOuSfIsH
true.... but I would think the Evo had proven that it had a strong drivetrain that can take the abuse. If the 4WD cant use it's 4WD advantage in the beginning, then it's at a disadvantage b/c of drivetrain loss.
It's always a blast to see the Japs in Best Motoring launch the WRX's and Evo and GT-R's right around redline though.....
It's always a blast to see the Japs in Best Motoring launch the WRX's and Evo and GT-R's right around redline though.....
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Originally Posted by phatcyclist
Actually, quite the contrary has been turning up in the Evo. The advantage is, you can floor it off the line without any wheelspin, while others have to drop-clutch it to get a jump out of the hole; while they are spinning thier tires, your pulling away from them, thats really the benifit of AWD as far as launching goes. Also, you get the un-Godly grip at all other times; AWD sport compacts are still not drag cars, they just have better grip.
you dont luanch them unles you got 20 grand for a new tranny
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Originally Posted by phatcyclist
Actually, quite the contrary has been turning up in the Evo. The advantage is, you can floor it off the line without any wheelspin, while others have to drop-clutch it to get a jump out of the hole; while they are spinning thier tires, your pulling away from them, thats really the benifit of AWD as far as launching goes. Also, you get the un-Godly grip at all other times; AWD sport compacts are still not drag cars, they just have better grip.
Now I understand why the Evo driver started with a small jump and then went from there.
i just saw the vid again, the mustang gt was hanging behind the evo. if u look closely, u can see the mustangs headlights on the rear panel of the evo.
i still think evo could win if the truck didnt shut down too early.
i still think evo could win if the truck didnt shut down too early.
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If the EVO launched the car it would have been ahead and stayed ahead of the Lightning.
Whoever said your not "suppose" to launch AWDs at high RPMs, you are flat out wrong. If it is done WRONG it could be harmful otherwise it is fine. I owned a 90 GSX AWD for 2 years started stock and up to 325awhp. I launched consistenly at 5500rpm for 3 years, no drivetrain problems. I used ACT2600 clutch.
Whoever said the point of AWD is to nail the gas and not spin wheels, well yeah but the launch puts you in the lead, not just "not spinning wheels". I suggest not making comments such as those unless you actually know what youre talking about.
When C&D, Turbo Mag, SCC does tests on the cars, do you think they dont launch them? Of course they do thats what they were made to do. They werent suppose to be dropped at 7k but 5000rpm is fine and the EVO drivetrains can handle it NO PROBLEM.
Whoever said your not "suppose" to launch AWDs at high RPMs, you are flat out wrong. If it is done WRONG it could be harmful otherwise it is fine. I owned a 90 GSX AWD for 2 years started stock and up to 325awhp. I launched consistenly at 5500rpm for 3 years, no drivetrain problems. I used ACT2600 clutch.
Whoever said the point of AWD is to nail the gas and not spin wheels, well yeah but the launch puts you in the lead, not just "not spinning wheels". I suggest not making comments such as those unless you actually know what youre talking about.
When C&D, Turbo Mag, SCC does tests on the cars, do you think they dont launch them? Of course they do thats what they were made to do. They werent suppose to be dropped at 7k but 5000rpm is fine and the EVO drivetrains can handle it NO PROBLEM.
Originally Posted by phatcyclist
see, this is exactly why Mitsubishi is having such problems with thier warranties, your not SUPPOSED to do high RPM clutch drops in an AWD car, it destroys the drivetrain. Friction + lots of power + people being stupid and launching thier AWD cars = driveline death. This is the same reason why people have had problems with WRX trannys, because they were launching hard with them.
In the long run, a 300+ HP four banger will not stay with a 450 HP V8...NO WAY IN HELL...the higher the rpm, the more advantage to the Ford...the people saying the EVO would win are simply EVO fans who don't want to admit their car got kicked...the only way the EVO wins is by actually launching and hitting shifts perfectly and getting a huge early lead (which is what should have happened)
As far as launching, the reason Mitsu is having problems with its clutch is because it's just a crappy clutch...I have actually sat in and driven this car as well as seen one of these clutches out...the advantage of AWD is that you can "launch" from high rpm without wheelspin...anyone with an EVO the first aftermarket upgrade is a Stage 5i clutch if you know what you're doing...problem solved
The people having problems with their scoobydoos are simply those who cannot drive.The GT had no chance...why? Weight...it's a tank.
And yes about "racing" trucks...2005 Ford Lightening vs. 2005 Dodge Ram SRT-10 (SRT-10 owns)...it's a contest for the most useless truck on earth...500+ horsepower in the SRT-10 and it's warranty says do not tow more than 1000 pounds...wtf?
But this is why people in a forum should only talk about their cars...there was misinformation being spread about all three of the vehicles involved
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If the EVO launched the car it would have been ahead and stayed ahead of the Lightning.
Whoever said your not "suppose" to launch AWDs at high RPMs, you are flat out wrong. If it is done WRONG it could be harmful otherwise it is fine. I owned a 90 GSX AWD for 2 years started stock and up to 325awhp. I launched consistenly at 5500rpm for 3 years, no drivetrain problems. I used ACT2600 clutch.
Whoever said the point of AWD is to nail the gas and not spin wheels, well yeah but the launch puts you in the lead, not just "not spinning wheels". I suggest not making comments such as those unless you actually know what youre talking about.
When C&D, Turbo Mag, SCC does tests on the cars, do you think they dont launch them? Of course they do thats what they were made to do. They werent suppose to be dropped at 7k but 5000rpm is fine and the EVO drivetrains can handle it NO PROBLEM.
Whoever said your not "suppose" to launch AWDs at high RPMs, you are flat out wrong. If it is done WRONG it could be harmful otherwise it is fine. I owned a 90 GSX AWD for 2 years started stock and up to 325awhp. I launched consistenly at 5500rpm for 3 years, no drivetrain problems. I used ACT2600 clutch.
Whoever said the point of AWD is to nail the gas and not spin wheels, well yeah but the launch puts you in the lead, not just "not spinning wheels". I suggest not making comments such as those unless you actually know what youre talking about.
When C&D, Turbo Mag, SCC does tests on the cars, do you think they dont launch them? Of course they do thats what they were made to do. They werent suppose to be dropped at 7k but 5000rpm is fine and the EVO drivetrains can handle it NO PROBLEM.
You should go over to ANY forum that deals with Evos... The reason that a 90 GSX doesnt have problems is because the transfer case is 10 fold stronger than the evos. I said BOTH, read posts.....
Another thing, when C&D, Turbo Mag, and SCC do test, they are not doing it with THIER cars.. They are test beaters that the company loans them, they do that maybe 5 times total, if you do that much more your going to start killing stuff.
That whole stuff about me not knowing about what im talking about, I do NOTHING but work on cars for a hobby, and have worked on almost any sports car you can think of (everything from 300zxs to Ferraris buddy) Don't tell me what I know and don't know. BTW, go to some evo forum and ask if anyones broken something lauching those cars hard.
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Rep Power: 0 I didn't watch the Vid, but all I got to say is, Got Traction? I don't understand the point of a pickup truck meant for racing since it's RWD and there is NO weight over this wheels. I suppose one could put up enough of a smoke screen spinning those tires that your opponent's could see anything and then when you actually move you'll be in the lead while they'll be coughing with their eyes watering... 
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The stang obviously spun hard off the line putting it about 2 cars back. The lightning jumped the start and the guy in the evo definately didnt know how to launch. It didnt look like anyone was really pulling on anyone very hard. I personally think the evo would have caught the truck and the stang would also have made up some ground if the race was a little bit longer. Who knows what the mods are to each vehicle anyway?
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