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Old Jul 28, 2004
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Just when I thought I was going to be able to keep up with a brand new M3 with my upcoming k20 swap and boltons, BMW had to come out with a new M3 for '06. Upgrading from 333 hp to 400 hp. WTH ... how am I ever gonna keep up with that? If you put a supercharger on that ... there is no winning against that. Never. Ever. Not with fwd.
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When are you getting your swap?
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haha don't expect too much out of civic man...save ur money and go with s2k or 350z or something
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haha not soon ... expect 3-4 months ... worst case scenario, I expect it in around my b-day (Dec. 22)

yeah ... engine is too small in an s2k for that amount of money. I need a good rwd car ... but yeah, my next car probably will be an s2k (or maybe by then, it'll be s2010 ... who knows)
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
Just when I thought I was going to be able to keep up with a brand new M3 with my upcoming k20 swap and boltons, BMW had to come out with a new M3 for '06. Upgrading from 333 hp to 400 hp. WTH ... how am I ever gonna keep up with that? If you put a supercharger on that ... there is no winning against that. Never. Ever. Not with fwd.
you wouldnt have been able to keep up with them anyway with a k20. 200HP vs. 333hp, that is a big difference. They would still smoke you.
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So, its basically getting the M5 and Z8 Motor?
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Uh... when you pay 70,000+ for an M3 (as was stickered the one I saw in the showroom yesterday) you get to be the badass. You could do anything to a civic if you had ~50,000 to spend on it =D
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you wouldnt have been able to keep up with them anyway with a k20. 200HP vs. 333hp, that is a big difference. They would still smoke you.
I can argue this ...

notice I said with bolts ... i/h/e/hondata produces about 220 whp for k20a. Now with my turbo, I've raced an h22 cx eg with i/h/e and we were dead even from a stop until about 110 (where we let off). I strolled across a vid at h-t.com with a k20a dc2 vs. h22 cx eg ... dc2 had a very restrictive header, ghetto intake, exhaust and still managed to pull about 2 cars by the end of 4th from a roll ... eg had i/h/e

now that that's been said ... I've raced a new M3 on the free way ... twice ... 80-120 and neither of us pulled.

In a nutshell: h22 cx eg = M3, but both <<< K20a
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Uh... when you pay 70,000+ for an M3 (as was stickered the one I saw in the showroom yesterday) you get to be the badass. You could do anything to a civic if you had ~50,000 to spend on it =D
70k???? What a rip off. Valencia BMW has em for 55...
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
I can argue this ...

notice I said with bolts ... i/h/e/hondata produces about 220 whp for k20a. Now with my turbo, I've raced an h22 cx eg with i/h/e and we were dead even from a stop until about 110 (where we let off). I strolled across a vid at h-t.com with a k20a dc2 vs. h22 cx eg ... dc2 had a very restrictive header, ghetto intake, exhaust and still managed to pull about 2 cars by the end of 4th from a roll ... eg had i/h/e

now that that's been said ... I've raced a new M3 on the free way ... twice ... 80-120 and neither of us pulled.

In a nutshell: h22 cx eg = M3, but both <<< K20a
Well thats different, you said k20a with bolt ons, nothing about turbo or other accessories. With a turbo probably
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Well thats different, you said k20a with bolt ons, nothing about turbo or other accessories. With a turbo probably
no, no ... I meant my d17 turbo.

K20a swap coming soon ...
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
no, no ... I meant my d17 turbo.

K20a swap coming soon ...
I am lost now. you wont hold a m3 with a turboed d17
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Im starting to think what kind of Tubos I can use...I need to swap the two I have now...any ideas?
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Originally Posted by streetglower
I am lost now. you wont hold a m3 with a turboed d17
Hes swapping his D17 with a K20!!! Jesus Chris...
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I know that. nevermind
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man...so basically you are spending about what? 23~5G right? If you really want a fast car try to look for some 93+ RX-7's or Supras. You'll find decent ones for that amount of money...
I think Civics don't worth spending money on sPeed...just for look...

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I am lost now. you wont hold a m3 with a turboed d17
you wouldn't think so, would you? ...

I've raced tons of **** and I stopped posting my kills on here because NOBODY BELIEVES ME ... so I'm not even gonna post anything here.
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o btw ... http://www.ff-squad.com/ffriends/sh/...h_specialK.mpg

download that ... it's a vid of h-t of Shawn Hiller's k20a eg hatch ... it's a run from 40 kmph-160 kmph (roughtly 24 mph-96 mph)
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well the reason I dont believe some people is because they say they beat v8 mustangs with I/H/E, and the ones with turbos say they beat corvettes.
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a turbo ex w/ no cat and at 9 psi can beat a corvette ... as long as it's not a z06

dv: bigger the turbos the better! ... unless you get like ... dual t88's and sheit ... T_T;;
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this is getting more interesting.
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Originally Posted by aznboysrfr
a turbo ex w/ no cat and at 9 psi can beat a corvette ... as long as it's not a z06

dv: bigger the turbos the better! ... unless you get like ... dual t88's and sheit ... T_T;;
with 9 psi, I highly doubt it. You are only going to get about 180HP out of the turbo and even with 9 psi, I dont think that will beat a corvette. IMO of cource. i could be wrong. If turboing a civic and running 9 psi gets me up to 300 HP plus, I would think everyone on here would be getting turbos
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that's not true ... M3's run mid-low 13's. If you have 9 psi on a good launch on an ex, you can pull low 13's. Ok, well I've run quite a few sti's with my turbo and killed wrx's all day with my turbo. I don't know, maybe I had a freak turbo or something, but I have so many witnesses

hm, ok maybe not 9 psi... maybe 10 psi ;P

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I paid 56k for mine. You must have been looking at a convertible...
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Originally Posted by DVnAFI
70k???? What a rip off. Valencia BMW has em for 55...
Woah, you ain't kiddin... At reading your post I went back down there and talked to the same sales guy that I had talked to who showed me the invoice for the car. I did some research on BMWusa.com first, though so I could trump him if he persisted that it was in fact worth 70k.... Ends up that he was showing me the invoice for an X5, not an M3.... for some obscure reason, the vehicle model wasn't printed on the invoice but instead written in ballpoint at the top. I asked to see it again and he pulled it out of his folder exactly the same place as before... I pointed out that the invoice said 355hp V8 on it and reminded him that this year's M3 only comes with an I-6... He tracked the Vin number and it turned out to be the invoice for some X5 or other.

Silly salesmen, a victim of thier own pen for once.

Now that I know the M-3 is 55 loaded it seems much more realistic to want one. Too bad I don't make much...

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well I got pissed off at lambo's and ferrari's. Thinking stupid rich bastards. Than we got a corvette and we toyed with it a little. Now I eat BMW M3's for breakfest, ferrari 360 modenas for lunch, and porsche turbos for dinner.
No replacement for displacement. No better bargain for the buck than corvette

Ohh ya we are selling the vette next year to work on the new c6 zO6!

also you have a civic man you should never ever hope for it to catch an M3, your aim should have been a mustang GT or z28 comaro rofl even new GTO.
but an M3?
thats like me wishing to catch a Mclaren F1, Zonda, Lambo Mercilargo or Konieg zegwaa whatever its called!!!

Money can solve most problems not all though, its only 2.0 liters. I saw a 500hp ford focus on cover of motortrend that made me spit out my morning coffee, of course it had a v8 in it. Guess what? still didnt beat the lambo gallardo.

Want to take on an M3? I say go for an Rx8 and twin turbo it why an RX8? its the cheapest and best performing track car of the bunch. Sorry 350z owners I have seen rx8's perform better on smaller enclosed tracks.
Or hell just get a supra and dump 20k into it

ohh ya new m3 is a 400hp v8 swapped directly from the current M5.
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