Endless complaning about D17
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Originally posted by cryption
my first time to autox was yesterday ... and seeing small HP FWD hondas pull times way better than high HP WRXs blew my mind, and showed me that HP is nothing, skill and suspension is where its at
my first time to autox was yesterday ... and seeing small HP FWD hondas pull times way better than high HP WRXs blew my mind, and showed me that HP is nothing, skill and suspension is where its at
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Rep Power: 339 in a moutain course.... HP does matter. Auto X is a bit different, I dont have experience but it looks like everything is 1st and 2nd gear, and the Civic isnt too bad in that area. Going uphill on a moutain course is not for low HP Civics haha.... nor would I want a high HP Civic on moutain roads either.
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my first time to autox was yesterday ... and seeing small HP FWD hondas pull times way better than high HP WRXs blew my mind, and showed me that HP is nothing, skill and suspension is where its at
my first time to autox was yesterday ... and seeing small HP FWD hondas pull times way better than high HP WRXs blew my mind, and showed me that HP is nothing, skill and suspension is where its at
agreed man, my friend has an older plymouth laser and he is such a good driver. His car is not fast by anymeans, but he has the suspension tuned with good tires on there and years of experience. It's awesome that he can beat M3's and 240's and other high end machines that would blow him away in the 1/4 mile.
Originally posted by rackness
i don't know what civic some of the people on here drive but i get great gas mileage and as far as passing on the highway i 80% of my driving is on the highway I95 to be exact where if you don't drive 80+ you get run off the road and i have absolutely 0 problems passing or changing lanes. if you were smart you would have bought a stick so that you can down shift if you really need acceleration. it is only a little 1.7 liter 4 banger in our cars. i have driven alot of small cars and civics fit right in as far as power requiremants go. i have driven a lot worse. no they are not sprt 4 cylinder models like the spec-v or si or svt etc etc etc. they are not meant to be they are economy cars. people need to ****in wake up. o yeah and stock for stock the 7th gens are quicker than previous gen civics. if you want a fast car spend the money and either make your vic fast and yes it costs lot of money or buy a fast car to start with and stop bitching. if you were gullible enough to think that a civic was fast when you bought it shame on you for doin your homework by watching f&f
damn i bought this slow econo box and man i am pissed that it is slow wtf?
i don't know what civic some of the people on here drive but i get great gas mileage and as far as passing on the highway i 80% of my driving is on the highway I95 to be exact where if you don't drive 80+ you get run off the road and i have absolutely 0 problems passing or changing lanes. if you were smart you would have bought a stick so that you can down shift if you really need acceleration. it is only a little 1.7 liter 4 banger in our cars. i have driven alot of small cars and civics fit right in as far as power requiremants go. i have driven a lot worse. no they are not sprt 4 cylinder models like the spec-v or si or svt etc etc etc. they are not meant to be they are economy cars. people need to ****in wake up. o yeah and stock for stock the 7th gens are quicker than previous gen civics. if you want a fast car spend the money and either make your vic fast and yes it costs lot of money or buy a fast car to start with and stop bitching. if you were gullible enough to think that a civic was fast when you bought it shame on you for doin your homework by watching f&f
damn i bought this slow econo box and man i am pissed that it is slow wtf?
sorry bout any typo's..typing one handed with baby girl in the other
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Rep Power: 318 Originally posted by cryption
why not a Camaro then?
I heard something that I liked,
Drag racing is for fast cars
Autocross is for fast drivers
why not a Camaro then?
I heard something that I liked,
Drag racing is for fast cars
Autocross is for fast drivers
I was just sorta sifting through all this info, and quite honestly its the first time Ive heard of the 01 EX's being 50/50 junk/good. Im wondering if I got one of the lemons.....hmmm..
When I got the car used last month, the factory warranty was up. Oh well. I noticed though that my auto tranny makes a hissing noise when throttle is applied. It almost sounds like an aftermarket intake. I can tell is tranny related because when I throw the car in "N" or its in "P" I cant hear it. Its only when the car is in "D" and throttle is applied like I said. It doesnt seem to hurt functionality, its just annoying.
And about the engine problems, I didnt hear much of anyproblems or feel any when I first got the car with 40,XXX miles on it. But it seems like shortly after I put the I/H/E on, I could hear that notorious ticking sound. Its like I have a sewing machine under the hood. Is this the valves or the injectors cycling? Should I be concerned with this? I know quite a bit about cars, but I dont know a lot of mechanical things/hands on.
Any help or info on what I stated above would be greatly appreciated.
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PS- Sorry to hijack the thread.
When I got the car used last month, the factory warranty was up. Oh well. I noticed though that my auto tranny makes a hissing noise when throttle is applied. It almost sounds like an aftermarket intake. I can tell is tranny related because when I throw the car in "N" or its in "P" I cant hear it. Its only when the car is in "D" and throttle is applied like I said. It doesnt seem to hurt functionality, its just annoying.
And about the engine problems, I didnt hear much of anyproblems or feel any when I first got the car with 40,XXX miles on it. But it seems like shortly after I put the I/H/E on, I could hear that notorious ticking sound. Its like I have a sewing machine under the hood. Is this the valves or the injectors cycling? Should I be concerned with this? I know quite a bit about cars, but I dont know a lot of mechanical things/hands on.
Any help or info on what I stated above would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Brad
PS- Sorry to hijack the thread.
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My 2001 has 26k on it and the valves are ticking like crazy. I need a clearance adjustment because I consistantly hit 7000 rpms trying to get the car to move in traffic out here. I am thinking of doing my own P & P and cam replacement when I get some time and money rahter than a body kit. Overall, I think the d17 has potential, but it is really limited.
My 2001 has 26k on it and the valves are ticking like crazy. I need a clearance adjustment because I consistantly hit 7000 rpms trying to get the car to move in traffic out here. I am thinking of doing my own P & P and cam replacement when I get some time and money rahter than a body kit. Overall, I think the d17 has potential, but it is really limited.
My '01 LX has 95000 miles on it and I have had no problems at all. I'm still getting about 380 miles to a full tank and thats with 17's, driving hard (when I can). I still have stock brakes and a stock clutch. Zero problems..
Its a Civic peope, stop bitching.
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Rep Power: 381 Originally posted by blouisgod
I went to a "mountain course" a few weeks ago here in NY. There were lots of curves, declines, and inclines and I got smoked. The civic can handle well but when it comes to having the ball to get out of the turn, the torque doesn't exist. Your engine has to be able to keep up with your handling.
I went to a "mountain course" a few weeks ago here in NY. There were lots of curves, declines, and inclines and I got smoked. The civic can handle well but when it comes to having the ball to get out of the turn, the torque doesn't exist. Your engine has to be able to keep up with your handling.
The problem here isnt nessisairly the engine, but not haveing the suspension set up right. You need to set the car up so that you dont have to slow down that much for the turns, that way you wont need to accelerate as much coming out of the corners. Run the right tires with the right amount of roll couple and you should be able to keep up with many "faster" cars. as long as you (the driver) are capable that is.
Case in point. I did a "Groupe Drive" with a bunch of people through Death Vally. Basically you start at 6,000 feet and drop to -200 feet and then climb back up to 6,000 feet. so theres a lot of up and down hill running. I had no problem keeping up with the other cars (except when we hit long straight-a-ways) I even had fun passing a bunch of them going up to Dantes View. You know what cars I was running with? WRX's a few Stis, one EVO8 and two RX8s. I had no problem with beating most of them up and down the hills, just because I have my handling pretty dialed in and I simply out drove most of them.
Well our cars can be very capable of pretty much anything.They just need to be setup right.I mean our cars are cheap and reliable.So thats just more money you can put into turning your car into what you want it to be.You can pimp it out and put a $10k stereo in it and cruise arund town in style.you can drop a K20 in it and have a fully built race engine,you an redo the suspension and have a killer auto-X car.Plus teh car is damn reliable and gets great gas mileage.Can you really say that about more expensive sports cars?
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Rep Power: 0 33k, 01 EX, my engine is fine. I also have yet to really have a problem merging into traffic or climbing hills. Sure, it doesn't have 8 cylinders, but it gets there alright.
I swear you people bought this car without test driving it. Mine merges into traffic and climbs hills as well now as it did on the test drive. If it's such a deathtrap on the road, sell it and go buy a nice "safer" more powerful car.
I swear you people bought this car without test driving it. Mine merges into traffic and climbs hills as well now as it did on the test drive. If it's such a deathtrap on the road, sell it and go buy a nice "safer" more powerful car.
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Rep Power: 0 Buying a civic and lamenting that it lacks horsepower is like buying a caddy and mourning that it's too big.
Maybe all of you complaining have an auto ...and if you do you're wouldn't be "hardcore" about racing anyways. Manual passes cars just fine.
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Maybe all of you complaining have an auto ...and if you do you're wouldn't be "hardcore" about racing anyways. Manual passes cars just fine.
-Aki
I like my civic. I like my d17. I like the interior. Its not a race car and I dont expect it to be but it goes where I want to and gets there as quickly as I can make it. After 50k hard driven miles the doors still close nice, the trans feels good, the engine sounds fine, the suspension is working well (except for a clunk that started this week) and the brakes feel great. This car is a great bargin for what it is. Even with some performance work done (all mild suspension parts and a cai) its livable on the freeway and fine in trafic. I think the most expesive thing I have doen to the car is the tires that I have on it. Used wheels, used swaybar, front upper brace and rear lower brace alltogether cost me $300. $20 for an intake cause I like the way it sounds. $500 for tires and I drive it with guys in typeS acuras and mr2s. Even a miata or two. this thing is fine. maybe some of you got a crappy one but I am totaly happy with mine.
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The problem here isnt nessisairly the engine, but not haveing the suspension set up right. You need to set the car up so that you dont have to slow down that much for the turns, that way you wont need to accelerate as much coming out of the corners. Run the right tires with the right amount of roll couple and you should be able to keep up with many "faster" cars. as long as you (the driver) are capable that is.
Case in point. I did a "Groupe Drive" with a bunch of people through Death Vally. Basically you start at 6,000 feet and drop to -200 feet and then climb back up to 6,000 feet. so theres a lot of up and down hill running. I had no problem keeping up with the other cars (except when we hit long straight-a-ways) I even had fun passing a bunch of them going up to Dantes View. You know what cars I was running with? WRX's a few Stis, one EVO8 and two RX8s. I had no problem with beating most of them up and down the hills, just because I have my handling pretty dialed in and I simply out drove most of them.
The problem here isnt nessisairly the engine, but not haveing the suspension set up right. You need to set the car up so that you dont have to slow down that much for the turns, that way you wont need to accelerate as much coming out of the corners. Run the right tires with the right amount of roll couple and you should be able to keep up with many "faster" cars. as long as you (the driver) are capable that is.
Case in point. I did a "Groupe Drive" with a bunch of people through Death Vally. Basically you start at 6,000 feet and drop to -200 feet and then climb back up to 6,000 feet. so theres a lot of up and down hill running. I had no problem keeping up with the other cars (except when we hit long straight-a-ways) I even had fun passing a bunch of them going up to Dantes View. You know what cars I was running with? WRX's a few Stis, one EVO8 and two RX8s. I had no problem with beating most of them up and down the hills, just because I have my handling pretty dialed in and I simply out drove most of them.
The question I have is this... if they knew how to drive (ie, as l337 as you) do you think you could've kept up. Or is the civic light enough that it can hands down just out corner those cars?
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that's cause JOO l337 driver....
The question I have is this... if they knew how to drive (ie, as l337 as you) do you think you could've kept up. Or is the civic light enough that it can hands down just out corner those cars?
that's cause JOO l337 driver....
The question I have is this... if they knew how to drive (ie, as l337 as you) do you think you could've kept up. Or is the civic light enough that it can hands down just out corner those cars?
But yes, the my lighter car would still corner better, but not enough to make up for their better acceleration.
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Rep Power: 318 ^ im just going to boost it until the engine blows than buy another one for 400 bucks off ebay 
I heard the head gasket goes first......
anyways around 8 psi on an LX motor you will get about 180-185whp
compatible with a tranny cooler for that little crappy auto shifter.
thats about mid 14's for the quarter mile!
that will set you back about 3800 dallors to run that psi
gauge pod
SF turbo kit
Tranny cooler
new tranny fluid
new denzo iridium spark plugs
tadda!
want to run more boost get a new head gasket first! That and I wouldnt trust our tranny at 9 psi stock
I heard the head gasket goes first......
anyways around 8 psi on an LX motor you will get about 180-185whp
compatible with a tranny cooler for that little crappy auto shifter.
thats about mid 14's for the quarter mile!
that will set you back about 3800 dallors to run that psi
gauge pod
SF turbo kit
Tranny cooler
new tranny fluid
new denzo iridium spark plugs
tadda!
want to run more boost get a new head gasket first! That and I wouldnt trust our tranny at 9 psi stock
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Re: Endless complaning about D17
KungFu,
I also live in Orlando and have a D17. I have been going round and round trying to figure out whether or not I should do the swap. I have finally decided to try and do what I can w/my D17. Do you know any good tuners here in orlando that can give me some realistic numbers regarding HP and torque if the car is tuned right?
I also live in Orlando and have a D17. I have been going round and round trying to figure out whether or not I should do the swap. I have finally decided to try and do what I can w/my D17. Do you know any good tuners here in orlando that can give me some realistic numbers regarding HP and torque if the car is tuned right?
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the only complain i got about the d17 is the a1 model. everytime i atempted to put my custom turbo kit on it make the oil pump fail and blow the motor. after two times i swapped in an d17a2 vtec from an 02 and boosted it with a high volumn oil pump. some rsx -s injectors an emanage an msd rpm switch for vtec. I am putting out on complete stock motor on 7 psi 207 to ground and 215 torque on a street tune that i did. broke my tranny twice (destroyed secound gear all teeth gone on input shaft and secoundary shaft) been running strong for 1 year and 3 months and no motor problems. so y all the complaining about a D series it will blow any other motor. K series just blow up and are too much money...........
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I had no problem with my D17A1 at 281WHP. The oil pumps are the same between them.
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This thread makes me feel like a hypocrite
. I sold the civic about 2 years ago and bought a 91 300zx twin turbo, which is now putting out just over 500rwhp on 104 at 18psi(gt28rs's) I really liked my civic, I just caught the bug to have something really fast. Funny thing is, I caught the honda bug again and I'm currently looking for a EG hatch to drop a mildly build NA LS/vtec in. I plan on entering it in the Grassroots Motorsports $2009 challenge this year in Gainesville, FL. Still keeping my Z though
As for your question fireandrice, check out the forums at tamparacing.com its a great local forum for parts and hooking up with local shops.
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