Endless complaning about D17
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Endless complaning about D17
Ok i have been around this forum forever... i dont post alot but i try to be helpfull...
the problem i see here is new people coming into this site are falling into the bitch 'n moan about the d17 mentality. I have NO idea where this came from or why people think that other
engines you can just bolt on a damn filter stick on and gain the manufacturers claimed HP gain.
Yes, some engines are exeptions, some b series and of course the SR and RBs but that is because these engines are prepped for these mods, they have good airflow and are actually undertuned from the factory. IT DOESNT TAKE a 3k-5k turbo or some rediculously overpriced engine swap(to an engine i wouldnt want anyways... most expensive to build engine ever is the k series) ALL it takes is Your regular mods(i/h/e) a decent machine shop to open up the head(which does N O T cost 700 goddamn dolars, if you pay over 500 for a pnp INCLUDING removing and installing head you got ripped) i mean jesus with I/H/E P&P, baisic polishing and roughing, bluprinting a tune up, good oil, a new clutch and flywheel and a good few days on the dyno im putting down 150 hp clean and solid. when i redo the crappy fuel system we have(the only complaint i have about this powerplant) it will go up considerably, and once somone makes internals 175-200 will be cake... i understand people are used to hearing 500 hp this and 350 hp that but those numbers just arent going to happen on this engine without the FULL DEAL and that is investing about 15k AFTER price of motor and turbo. I understand alot of you guys are draggers and 200 seems low but 200 hp on this chassis will pretty much blow the *** off anything on the road thats not a full sports car with over 350 hp (c5, c6, viper, tuned supra or 240)
Its realy not as bad as people make it seem, for 2 or 3 grand TOPS you can be putting down 150+ hp on this car(dx/lx at least i know nothing or want nothing to do with vtec economy cam bs) it just takes finding the right shop or friends, some money and basic engine work.
that kind of hp with good suspension and wheel/tire setup will put down nice numbers at the track or the autocross and still be enough to S E V E R L Y woop the *** off the rednecks in there mustangs and the filthy ricers with unpainted kits and popping buzzing exhausts that are destroying the image of our sport.
anyways sorry if i come off as an *** i just want to throw some inspiration into people.. stop complaining on the board, and go get yer tune on.
the problem i see here is new people coming into this site are falling into the bitch 'n moan about the d17 mentality. I have NO idea where this came from or why people think that other
engines you can just bolt on a damn filter stick on and gain the manufacturers claimed HP gain.
Yes, some engines are exeptions, some b series and of course the SR and RBs but that is because these engines are prepped for these mods, they have good airflow and are actually undertuned from the factory. IT DOESNT TAKE a 3k-5k turbo or some rediculously overpriced engine swap(to an engine i wouldnt want anyways... most expensive to build engine ever is the k series) ALL it takes is Your regular mods(i/h/e) a decent machine shop to open up the head(which does N O T cost 700 goddamn dolars, if you pay over 500 for a pnp INCLUDING removing and installing head you got ripped) i mean jesus with I/H/E P&P, baisic polishing and roughing, bluprinting a tune up, good oil, a new clutch and flywheel and a good few days on the dyno im putting down 150 hp clean and solid. when i redo the crappy fuel system we have(the only complaint i have about this powerplant) it will go up considerably, and once somone makes internals 175-200 will be cake... i understand people are used to hearing 500 hp this and 350 hp that but those numbers just arent going to happen on this engine without the FULL DEAL and that is investing about 15k AFTER price of motor and turbo. I understand alot of you guys are draggers and 200 seems low but 200 hp on this chassis will pretty much blow the *** off anything on the road thats not a full sports car with over 350 hp (c5, c6, viper, tuned supra or 240)
Its realy not as bad as people make it seem, for 2 or 3 grand TOPS you can be putting down 150+ hp on this car(dx/lx at least i know nothing or want nothing to do with vtec economy cam bs) it just takes finding the right shop or friends, some money and basic engine work.
that kind of hp with good suspension and wheel/tire setup will put down nice numbers at the track or the autocross and still be enough to S E V E R L Y woop the *** off the rednecks in there mustangs and the filthy ricers with unpainted kits and popping buzzing exhausts that are destroying the image of our sport.
anyways sorry if i come off as an *** i just want to throw some inspiration into people.. stop complaining on the board, and go get yer tune on.
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my personal view as that most members just want a decently not ungodly fast car. The truth about the D17 is that it is ****....yes it gets good milege and thats about it.. Perfomance I didnt buy it for that if I wanted ultimate performance I would got myself a used 240sx, WRX etc. I wanted a reliable car gets me from point A to point B. but d@mn a D17 can't really even do that right!!! 127hp doesnt alow quick lane changes or onramp power not to mention power at all on a steep hill... it just blurps and screems going know were as a gravel truck is pitting your car infront of you and your to slow to change lanes!!!
People just want a car that has some punch here and the civic fails thats why its not number one selling econo car anymore...
Once you get one you realize how horrible they are as daily drivers.. Yes they have nice curves and no they are not reliable as you believe! how many of you guys had tranny probs? 01 models? i know you guys did. Truth be told the d17 fails......
I am saving for a turbo because I can't afford another car and I just want decent lane changing power out of this thing, never was drag for me...
ohh yes cone racing? ya now thats fun call it auto X its still CONE racing. Get yourself an Srt-4 and take that arounda circut like california speedway-thats what you do with a sports car.
there frustration released...
Only hope for D17 is forced induction...otherwise you got a motor that wont last you at all and pushes out not nearly the same numbers.
People just want a car that has some punch here and the civic fails thats why its not number one selling econo car anymore...
Once you get one you realize how horrible they are as daily drivers.. Yes they have nice curves and no they are not reliable as you believe! how many of you guys had tranny probs? 01 models? i know you guys did. Truth be told the d17 fails......
I am saving for a turbo because I can't afford another car and I just want decent lane changing power out of this thing, never was drag for me...
ohh yes cone racing? ya now thats fun call it auto X its still CONE racing. Get yourself an Srt-4 and take that arounda circut like california speedway-thats what you do with a sports car.
there frustration released...
Only hope for D17 is forced induction...otherwise you got a motor that wont last you at all and pushes out not nearly the same numbers.
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ohh yes cone racing? ya now thats fun call it auto X its still CONE racing. Get yourself an Srt-4 and take that arounda circut like california speedway-thats what you do with a real car!
ohh yes cone racing? ya now thats fun call it auto X its still CONE racing. Get yourself an Srt-4 and take that arounda circut like california speedway-thats what you do with a real car!
You'd be supprised how hard autocross is to master... and an SRT-4 on a road course isn't all that great.... (ps, open tracking isnt real racing either)
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Rep Power: 318 I know autocross is a hard sport...its just my view and it really isnt my cup of tea. everyone has there own things..
for instance drifting. When i was down at the tracks i heard some other class devision drivers snubbing the drifters as being clowns...
ohh ya add the integra aka RSX and SI for the racing track. You can actually make those mean cars. They are under 20k as well
just use force induction on the k20a3 to get it up to par.
for instance drifting. When i was down at the tracks i heard some other class devision drivers snubbing the drifters as being clowns...
ohh ya add the integra aka RSX and SI for the racing track. You can actually make those mean cars. They are under 20k as well
just use force induction on the k20a3 to get it up to par.
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I'll probally end up getting a C4 or Zr1 they didnt hold thier value as people believed they would.
I'll probally end up getting a C4 or Zr1 they didnt hold thier value as people believed they would.
the reason why i want to get a civic is because IT'S A DAMN CIVIC.
i would rather get the real K20 engine (with respect to it's original chassis) or to get a WRX STi if i wanna get real performance...
man, it's a CIVIC....
and yes, the freaking D17 engine got wholesome of problems....especially 01. and no, i never get a good MPG such that i can get 400 miles with every tank filled on my D17....
i would rather get the real K20 engine (with respect to it's original chassis) or to get a WRX STi if i wanna get real performance...
man, it's a CIVIC....
and yes, the freaking D17 engine got wholesome of problems....especially 01. and no, i never get a good MPG such that i can get 400 miles with every tank filled on my D17....
Originally posted by zen_master
the reason why i want to get a civic is because IT'S A DAMN CIVIC.
i would rather get the real K20 engine (with respect to it's original chassis) or to get a WRX STi if i wanna get real performance...
man, it's a CIVIC....
and yes, the freaking D17 engine got wholesome of problems....especially 01. and no, i never get a good MPG such that i can get 400 miles with every tank filled on my D17....
the reason why i want to get a civic is because IT'S A DAMN CIVIC.
i would rather get the real K20 engine (with respect to it's original chassis) or to get a WRX STi if i wanna get real performance...
man, it's a CIVIC....
and yes, the freaking D17 engine got wholesome of problems....especially 01. and no, i never get a good MPG such that i can get 400 miles with every tank filled on my D17....
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Rep Power: 374 My 2001 has 26k on it and the valves are ticking like crazy. I need a clearance adjustment because I consistantly hit 7000 rpms trying to get the car to move in traffic out here. I am thinking of doing my own P & P and cam replacement when I get some time and money rahter than a body kit. Overall, I think the d17 has potential, but it is really limited.
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what i mean with 01 civic is that because it's the first line of 7thgencivic and honda did a lot of modification through the entire car, there are more "error cars" from the factory..
i got an 02 EX....yet, i only got 340 miles out of 12 gallon of gas.....which is suck...
now, i think the term "error cars" here really connected to the factory line....as one of our friend said, his 01 civic got good mileage, no rattles, no problems.....yet, another guy said that his 01 civic suck ***.... so, it's all depends on ur luck when u bought the car.....either you got the real GOOD one from the factory line....or ur unlucky enough to get the "BAD" one....
i think i got the mediocre one...
what i mean with 01 civic is that because it's the first line of 7thgencivic and honda did a lot of modification through the entire car, there are more "error cars" from the factory..
i got an 02 EX....yet, i only got 340 miles out of 12 gallon of gas.....which is suck...
now, i think the term "error cars" here really connected to the factory line....as one of our friend said, his 01 civic got good mileage, no rattles, no problems.....yet, another guy said that his 01 civic suck ***.... so, it's all depends on ur luck when u bought the car.....either you got the real GOOD one from the factory line....or ur unlucky enough to get the "BAD" one....
i think i got the mediocre one...
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Rep Power: 0 i don't know what civic some of the people on here drive but i get great gas mileage and as far as passing on the highway i 80% of my driving is on the highway I95 to be exact where if you don't drive 80+ you get run off the road and i have absolutely 0 problems passing or changing lanes. if you were smart you would have bought a stick so that you can down shift if you really need acceleration. it is only a little 1.7 liter 4 banger in our cars. i have driven alot of small cars and civics fit right in as far as power requiremants go. i have driven a lot worse. no they are not sprt 4 cylinder models like the spec-v or si or svt etc etc etc. they are not meant to be they are economy cars. people need to ****in wake up. o yeah and stock for stock the 7th gens are quicker than previous gen civics. if you want a fast car spend the money and either make your vic fast and yes it costs lot of money or buy a fast car to start with and stop bitching. if you were gullible enough to think that a civic was fast when you bought it shame on you for doin your homework by watching f&f
damn i bought this slow econo box and man i am pissed that it is slow wtf?
damn i bought this slow econo box and man i am pissed that it is slow wtf?
Originally posted by Zzyzx
HP is over rated.... at least with my type of racing. Supension, Tires, Weight and Driver are MUCH more important.
HP is over rated.... at least with my type of racing. Supension, Tires, Weight and Driver are MUCH more important.
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is that one of the problems with the D17 in the 01s? getting crappy gas miles? i get crappy mpg..... about 250 out of a full tank an di have an 01
is that one of the problems with the D17 in the 01s? getting crappy gas miles? i get crappy mpg..... about 250 out of a full tank an di have an 01
but personally I love my civic ... its nice on the autocross track ... handled nicely and its a good platform for it. Sure I'd love a WRX but I'm really happy with my setup, minus tires cuz Kumho sucks ***, and the mileage isn't as good as I wanted but it works
Originally posted by cdmx
All i really wanted was 200whp
not gonna happen on my budget...im getting a new car
All i really wanted was 200whp
not gonna happen on my budget...im getting a new car
I heard something that I liked,
Drag racing is for fast cars
Autocross is for fast drivers
