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Old Apr 11, 2004
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Can a SCION become a street racer? it's got 108 hp. thats the bad part.Tell me if it is a good idea.
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scion?
huwahahaha..

which one? that car looks like the Kijang....

try search "kijang".....in my post...hahaha

108hp eh? hm..
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it's a cruiser ...a showstopper.....not a "RACE" car. hahaha
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ANYTHING can be turned into a race car pending that you have LOTS of $$ to spend. But as of now, you can get a BLITZ supercharger and beat down Civics, Corollas, Proteges, etc........
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Aint no scion gonna beat down this protege.
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the Sicon tC will be coming out sometime this year i believe. 160 hp in a decently ligth chasis = good combo.
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i dont understand why the scion is becoming more popular in the modifying industry. its a freakin box...... looks like a Van/station wagon hybrid. i already saw like 3 of them with big rims around my area... they look rediculous
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i dont understand why the scion is becoming more popular in the modifying industry. its a freakin box...... looks like a Van/station wagon hybrid. i already saw like 3 of them with big rims around my area... they look rediculous
b/c it's reliable, gas saving and has A LOT of aftermarket support! What made the Civic so popular in the 90's? The same formula, except Toyota is trying harder than Honda now.
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I know those three Scions are going to make a huge dent in the import industry. Esp. when the perfomance model comes out.

It's going to be the alternative to the Tiburon and more expensive RSX. While the other two cars are great first time cars....

The Tc will get my respect and it's got a great engine but other two are more show than go (especially the brick)
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The Scions are making lotsa commotion because they're so different. This is the first van in a while that hasn't looked like a van. and it certainly looks better than the Honda Elements (even though those aren't vans)
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I do believe some company is working on putting a celica gt-s engine into the xB. If they get it right they are gonna sell the mounts and everything required to do so.
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Originally posted by cambo
the Sicon tC will be coming out sometime this year i believe. 160 hp in a decently ligth chasis = good combo.
and an optional factory supercharger that will put it over 200hp! My friend might be getting one a little earlier than most people the tC can most definitely become a race car. The xA and xB are pure show cars with a little extra umph with the supercharger.
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2004 Honda Civic EX
$17,000
127 HP
114 FT TQ
2,612 LBS

2004 Scion xB
$13,680
108 HP
105 FT TQ
2,425 LBS

Compare
xB is $3320 less than Civic...

xB has a 22.45 HP/W ratio, Civic has 20.56
xB has a 23.09 TQ/W ratio, Civic has 22.91

I think the xB looks cool, I'll take the xB plus the extra $3320 to supercharge it and get some extra mods.....
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Originally posted by CivicsRdBest
I know those three Scions are going to make a huge dent in the import industry. Esp. when the perfomance model comes out.

It's going to be the alternative to the Tiburon and more expensive RSX. While the other two cars are great first time cars....
My G/F wanted a RSX or Tiburon, now she wants the tC just like you said. It's got a decent amount of power, won't rape you on insurance, and is cheaper......
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Originally posted by XxSoVeReiGNxX
The Scions are making lotsa commotion because they're so different. This is the first van in a while that hasn't looked like a van. and it certainly looks better than the Honda Elements (even though those aren't vans)
Honestly, I haven't heard any buzz about the Scions. Most people I talk to seem to think they look dumb. Plus Toyota is for some reason distancing the scion brand from the Toyota name. There are Scion dealerships popping up now(usually near a Toyota dealer) with no mention of Toyota. I always thought Toyota had a strong brand name, I don't quite get the idea of acting like these aren't Toyotas.
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FROM SCIONS WEBSITE FAQ

Scion vehicles will be sold through select, existing Toyota stores, though the feeling will be more of a "dual dealer" situation, with clearly dedicated space and specially trained staff for Scion dealers. It is not our intention to create a completely stand alone operation like Lexus at launch.
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Yes it can become a street racer

The scion TC (which is out in july in cali) is perdicted to have 180 hp stock and all of the scion I have seen have superchargers out for them. With TRD and the aftermarket well in alliance with them there might be some impressive things to see in the future.

check this site for the scion news

www.scionlife.com

TC supercharger



XB, BLITZ supercharger



Xb, power enterpise supercharger


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they are SLOW as ****, trust me; my mother has one.

However, they are definately cool, but the chassis they have, and the engines potential limit them from being a serious tuner car.
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i want the tc it has a factory tubocharger but i did not know about the supercharger now i relly want one!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by phatcyclist
they are SLOW as ****, trust me; my mother has one.

However, they are definately cool, but the chassis they have, and the engines potential limit them from being a serious tuner car.
You say they are slow but they have a better power to weight and better torque to weight ratio than your Civic EX for thousands less than your car cost...

The tC looks like it might be a great car! Supercharge it and mmmmmmm it's gonna be nice. The interiors of these cars look really great too.
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jeez guys they are good cars. Anything can be made to look good and go fast for the right amount of cash. i would never trade my civic in for one. Heck I was debating a turbo or srt-4. I choose a turbo because my car is unique and fits my style plus it wount be much slower. Also mine will be a turbo auto srt-4 arent auto
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the scions get great gas m.p.g. but the hp. my mom has the 17" wheels cold air induction strut bar in the lava orange 1568 of 2100 it is ODD looking but fun at the same time
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Anything slower than a stock civ ex is slow.
I am starting to get sick of all the xB's I see.
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Originally posted by JX6
Anything slower than a stock civ ex is slow.
I am starting to get sick of all the xB's I see.
It's NOT slower than a Civic EX.

The power to weight and torque to weight ratio is better than a Civic EX....

I think it's great because a kid who needs a reliable car can get one that doesn't look like a Hyundai accent for cheap....
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What i want to know is, what is the gearing on the xB, xA, tC?

That will determine its speed in the end.
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You know what's wierd is the xA and xB are rear steering and the tC is front and rear steering, or atleast that's what the brocure said.

I also don't like the bullshit marketting they keep throwing out there, everyone is an individual, bla bla bla. Shut up and just sell the car!
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^^ your an idiot, did you ever READ my post?

My mother owns an xB and I own an EX civic, I live at the same house as her, I.E. I drive the car some times.

I would like to use you as an example....don't want me too?.....TOO BAD. Read posts before you make STUPID ONES, any one that can put two and two together could surmise the info I just gave you. They are SLOW AS ****, power to weight aside, its not as fast as mine, I know this because I DRIVE BOTH REGULARLY!

Please read people, weve all been through basic level education, I know we all can on here.


Also, Rear steering? youve done smoked yourself retarded dude, PUT THE PIPE DOWN!

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Originally posted by Exit109GTI

I think it's great because a kid who needs a reliable car can get one that doesn't look like a Hyundai accent for cheap....
Who said it's a reliable car? It's very new, we don't whether these things are another Camry or if they'll be recalled in a month.
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Originally posted by phatcyclist
^^ your an idiot, did you ever READ my post?

My mother owns an xB and I own an EX civic, I live at the same house as her, I.E. I drive the car some times.

I would like to use you as an example....don't want me too?.....TOO BAD. Read posts before you make STUPID ONES, any one that can put two and two together could surmise the info I just gave you. They are SLOW AS ****, power to weight aside, its not as fast as mine, I know this because I DRIVE BOTH REGULARLY!

Please read people, weve all been through basic level education, I know we all can on here.


Also, Rear steering? youve done smoked yourself retarded dude, PUT THE PIPE DOWN!
Do you talk to people that way in real life? Cause if you do I bet you get your *** kicked alot for being so rude... There's really no reason for that attitude....

Sorry I believe you and your VERY VERY precise butt dyno....
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