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Type Rs are so theft worthy. Don't get me wrong, it's one of my favorite cars but if you can't garage it, or can't live without knowing how much that car gets stolen by the attention it attracts, it could very well be a waste of an investment.

The Type S has LESS potential? Sorry but you are FAR from being right on that one. The new K-series motors have more potential than the B-series. B-series motors can't make over 250WHP n/a but there is a motor package that was released by Hytech that makes 300WHP for the RSX engines... naturally aspirated.

That is potential. Everything secret about the B-series has been uncovered but this one about the K motors makes the B-series look like it's gone down to the dinosaurs. Yesterday was B, today is K.

 
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good post slammed....the type r has great potential but the K20 has just as much, if not...more. TODA did a cam swap on the type s and got 28 whp just from cams...is that not good or what? Id take the type s personally, the type r is a great great kickass car, but i just like new....so i know some moron didnt beat the crap out of the car

 
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oh yea...right now the Mazdaspeed Protege is the best handling fwd car sold in america (i prefer acura/honda though)

 
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The K20A2 has more potential than the B18C5. The fastest B18C5'd Integra Type R i've seen (that wasn't streetable) ran a 12.4 in the quarter mile. That **** gets off the line hella fast.

 
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Damn! Got a link to where I can find more info on that?

 
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You have to think because the S is not the fastest of the RSX's there is still a higher version Type-R. They just don't offer the Type-R RSX here just like you rarely see a true type-r integra. As with the GSR vs S the S will win. The type-r motor is not built to handle turbo tho you can put it on there the high compression ratio hinders its boost. If you put the same turbo on a gsr and type-r integra then the gsr will win because it can run more boost than the type-r. Type-r engines are made for n/a use preferably. What you could consider is the torque the S has more and will have more power to get off the line. The bad thing about the S is that the ecu's capabilities are limited because of the i-vtec. all it does differently is limits how high you can rev the engine in idle so would not be able to launch in vtec of course you can handle this by programing it differnetly but its just a saftey feature. Overall its your choice the rsx more expensive parts becasue its the only honda engine that is reverse with he exhaust ports in the back instead of the front. Or the gsr which there is alot more mods for.

 
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Search Hytech on Honda-tech.com. You should find it in the DC5/EP3 forum if the movie is still up.

 
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First of all, this topic doesn't concern the Type R. We all know the Type R beats out the S and a GS-R in EVERY performance aspect.

The new Type R motor owns the old one, and DC5@EM2's ride is the embodiment of proof with his 420HP DC5R motor.

Why would it matter how high you can rev the car in neutral?

I would still prefer the K20A2 over the B18C1. Guess which engine can handle 300WHP boosted on stock internals? Definitely not the GS-R. The GS-R isn't even the car that should be turboed, the LS B18B non-VTEC gives the best results in terms of F/I.

 
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no no no no no you guys have it all wrong....... the integra type S is not a hair faster than the GSR they are not even in the same class the S is in the same class as the USDM type r shame on you guys jk
but the type s will take a gsr its pretty much the same as the 98-01 type r similar specs and what not by the way, the rsx type s can take the usdm type r more tq and comparing a 2.0 to a 1.8 so they give you a usdm type r with a different motor and style but the still wont give the jdm type r-----------------its that whole"just give the americans a taste" thing oh yea and the driver counts!!!!!!!!!
Dathan

 
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Where do you get this ****?

 
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the type r is a better car then the type s. is there anyone here that would take a type s over a type r?

 
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not a chance the ITR would spank the type-s hands down.. with a 200hp motor and a 8500 redline the ITR is a great car, and the only difference from that one and the jdm one is juss the lights, so that is actually the same motor, not tuned or anything to the one in japan

 
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anyone know the redline of the gsr, i heard it was 8000

 
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and also just having a type r is better than a type s.

 
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Actually that motor is 200P.S. which when translates into HP = 197BHP. Just 2 more than the USDM engine. Oh, and it redlines at 8,400 RPMs.

JDM ones get HIDs, too.

Anyone who'd choose the Hype S over the Hype R better have good reasoning for it. (Avoiding theft, more practicality, less insurance, more potential.) But the Type R isn't one of those cars where you compare it to another car and say, "Should I get the Type R... or should I get this Impreza WRX?"

You know what the car is worth when you won't second guess yourself about it.

 
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Yes, GSR redline is 8000

 
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From what i've heard the GSR has around 155bhp stock. No car from the factory has near the hp at the fly wheel than from the wheel. from a 200 hp engine you should only get about 185bhp. I know that an b18b is more suitable for turbo but he asked about a gsr. I would prefer a GSR over type-R anyway becasue with type-r cams the gsr will beat a type-r.

 
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no people shame on you. the type is inst in comparison with the gsr. it runs with the usdm type r. the type S and usdm type r run neck and neck but the type s can take the type r stock for stock. If you go to any acura dealership they will tell yyou that the type s was the replacement for the usdm type r similar specs and everything a gsr doesnt really compare to either of them
and yes the driver definetly counts
Dathan

 
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i get this info from experience i have buddies that own 98 spec and 01 itr's and buddies that own type s' the type s seriously runs those type r's without a problem. older isnt always better. go to some tuner sites, like real tuners ie...spoon, signal, top fuel, top secret. the type s has so much potential its not even funny. so you go get in a usdm r and race a type s if you spank him(wich you wont) i will bow down to you and serve you grapes with one of those feather fans, you know?
i dont own either of these cars but i do drive them a lot and i know facts no bs just facts
Dathan

PS the gsr does have potential, this i know for a fact I have a spoon built gsr motor and no type r or type s can stay with a 4-5 car length
dont believe me come and play with me all i want is a full tank of gas hahahahahahaha< evil laugh, no? quasi-evil, the diet coke of evil

 
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oh yea and when you walk in the dealership and say no i dont want the type s i want the right side drive type r im willing to bet 1 grand usd that they will laugh at you and you will be the company's new joke of the month. see the business is that they have a higher model but they wont give it to you, they rather you spend the money trying to make it look like it ie... lip kits, wings all the optional stuff, like that factory performance stuff why give you something that you will pay more just to get the look. see thats why we dont get the type r off the back
im still pi$$ed because we didnt get the ctr back in 99 iwas being good for nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dathan

 
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the gsr at wheels is 155, the type s is like 160, how can you say they arent comparable.

 
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and i think the type r is at 170-175 at wheels

 
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well actually the type on average pulls182.6 to the graound and thats just average the usdm type r pulls about 179.6-180.1
these are stock numbers too. the type s, ecu or ivtec can knows when to comensate power as for the type r with its obd 2.2 does not therefore you hav iVtec. trust me when i say this but a type r isnt worth the money. whoever said a gsr is better, i agree because the b18c5 has very limited improvements since the motor is already done for race use the gsr however is more versatile a gsr with type r pistons or cams will take a type r, and besides the type s isnt made in a race aspect the type r is but the S will still take it and a gsr if we are talking all stock motor here will not take either of the 2 a b16 motor with just cams can take a gsr.
Dathan

 
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You actually believe the DEALERSHIP?

The Type S is such a GS-R. If it replaced the Type R that Factory Performance bullshit wouldn't be just a body kit, ugly 17s, nasty tires and a sucky *** drop.

That car is no Type R. A DC2R will run circles around it. The Type S doesn't even have an LSD. It doesn't even come with sticky tires. It's braking is far worse. It's heavy as hell. It's no Type R. I can't believe you actually believed a guy that got hired to sell the car and not the people who actually build the car.

 
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x2oprdctnz was actually right. The DC2R is around 170. There is no way in hell the S is making 180 at the wheel. More like 165.

 
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99/00 si 160-25=135
gsr in japan has 180, so 180-25=155
the type r goes down from 200-25=175
i think this is really close to the hp at the wheels
so these are around increments of 20

for the k series the 160 goes down to like 135 and the type s goes down the most to 160-165.
there is no way a stock type s can keep its ground with an type r, the type r will win.

and the type s did not replace the type r, no way, it takes more than a stupid type s badge to replace the type r, and if it was the type r, then how come it doesnt have 220 hp?

 
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i chekced clubrsx.com and the even over there they say the gsr and type s is a drivers race, if both cars are stock.

 
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GSR in Japan has 180? is that different than USDM? Always thought it had 170bhp..

 
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The type-s has much better potential, as w/ the ECU you can vary timing by upto 20 degrees on the intake & exhaust valves which means much more flexibility in tuning. It also means a much broader powerband is possible (thanks to i- Vtec). I'd go for the type- s any day as a project car.

The K20 also has way more potential. TODA can get over 200 bhp at the wheels by a re- programmed ECU & CAMs alone!!

 
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the gsr in us says 170 but u have to think a bit , when its test at wheels it got 155, thats a not that much of a loss, so i just thought they just said it has 170, when it really has 180, i seriously think this is true. actaully the gsr in japan has 180ps.