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Mazda styling isn't bad but I can't stand the fact that they're in bed with Ford. Some salesmen won't even admit to the fact that their cars are powered by Ford like the 6. People buy imports because they prefer them over domestics for several reasons. So you buy a Mazda 6 and the most important part of the car (the engine) is domestic...go figure....sheesh!
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Rep Power: 301 The only tip that Honda should take from Nissan is the larger than normal rims they put on everything. If you take note of it, all of Nissans cars have pretty big rims, making the car look a little better. If there is one thing Honda lacks, it is the styling of its wheels.
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Rep Power: 336 get out of the honda bubble people.
honda/toyota have reliability and economy
mazda has styling and good handling out of the box
nissan has BIG wheels and stronger than they have to be engines.
Would you not buy a mercedez because they're in kahoots with chrysler? i think not.
Maybe you should stop buying hondas because they're in kahoots with saturn! oh no.
Big whoop people.
honda/toyota have reliability and economy
mazda has styling and good handling out of the box
nissan has BIG wheels and stronger than they have to be engines.
Would you not buy a mercedez because they're in kahoots with chrysler? i think not.
Maybe you should stop buying hondas because they're in kahoots with saturn! oh no.
Big whoop people.
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Rep Power: 0 yeah when i first saw that civic come up, i honestly thought it was a camry because of the front end...i like 01-03 style much more. our style looks a little sportier and beefier, that one looks like they were trying way to hard to turn the civic into a damn luxury car
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by kenji4861
Man.. Civic 04 looks like a Camry from far away.
Man.. Civic 04 looks like a Camry from far away.
Funny thing is, when the new Camrys came out in 02, I thought they were taking their styling cues from the 01 Civics. Now, Honda is trying to make the Civics look even more like Camrys.
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Originally posted by cambo
get out of the honda bubble people.
honda/toyota have reliability and economy
mazda has styling and good handling out of the box
nissan has BIG wheels and stronger than they have to be engines.
Would you not buy a mercedez because they're in kahoots with chrysler? i think not.
Maybe you should stop buying hondas because they're in kahoots with saturn! oh no.
Big whoop people.
get out of the honda bubble people.
honda/toyota have reliability and economy
mazda has styling and good handling out of the box
nissan has BIG wheels and stronger than they have to be engines.
Would you not buy a mercedez because they're in kahoots with chrysler? i think not.
Maybe you should stop buying hondas because they're in kahoots with saturn! oh no.
Big whoop people.
what are you talking about?
M Benz got owened by Chrysler (Chrysler got most of their stock, so the chairman is a chrysler guy) and their Quality Assurance team as well.
Honda help Saturn in their engine (no stock transfer what so ever) because they want to make money from company who has problem making engine.
How can you find analogy between the 2 event???
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Honda needs to take some styling ques from Nissan.
Honda needs to take some styling ques from Nissan.
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Rep Power: 319 Its all about sharing information. Honda is selling engines to GM and I think Honda is getting something back from GM as well. But some people just don't want to admit that Honda is like every company there is and that they also need help in some technology. This information and equipment exchange has been going on for years but some people think that just because it has a foreign name on it then it must be better; when if fact that is not always the case. Take for example Toyota and GM, they have been in partnerships sin early 90’s is not late 80’s. The Corolla and the Prism being produced in the same plant by the same machinery and people, the only difference is the sticker that says Toyota or GM. But for some estrange reason people prefer to pay a few thousands dollars more for a sticker that says Toyota. CivicDude knew this and he made a great choice when he purchased his Prism.
Cambo,
I see what you are talking about, there so many partnerships in companies that if the stupid people that say they will never buy a car that has some relation to GM, Chrysler or Ford then those people will have a hard time finding a variety or cars too choose from. I know for a fact that GM Brands are the following: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, HUMMER, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall and EV1. I also know that GM is involved with Fiat, Fuji/Subaru, Isuzu and Suzuki. Ford is involved with Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover and Aston Martin. Daimler Chrysler owns Maybach, Mercedes-Benz, Osmart, Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep. Daimler Chrysler is also partners with Fuso, Mitsubishi and Hyundai.
The same goes for people that say that they will only buy American. Parts and Cars are made all over the world with technology exchange and shared throughout many companies that at the end IMO there is no such thing as a 100% American car or Japanese car.
Cambo,
I see what you are talking about, there so many partnerships in companies that if the stupid people that say they will never buy a car that has some relation to GM, Chrysler or Ford then those people will have a hard time finding a variety or cars too choose from. I know for a fact that GM Brands are the following: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, HUMMER, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall and EV1. I also know that GM is involved with Fiat, Fuji/Subaru, Isuzu and Suzuki. Ford is involved with Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover and Aston Martin. Daimler Chrysler owns Maybach, Mercedes-Benz, Osmart, Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep. Daimler Chrysler is also partners with Fuso, Mitsubishi and Hyundai.
The same goes for people that say that they will only buy American. Parts and Cars are made all over the world with technology exchange and shared throughout many companies that at the end IMO there is no such thing as a 100% American car or Japanese car.
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Rep Power: 0 I just picked up a Civic, it was built in Ohio, and the sticker said only 35% parts from Japan. 
My 92 Integra had like all parts from Japan, there was Japanese written everywhere. I think they will be equally reliable though.
My 92 Integra had like all parts from Japan, there was Japanese written everywhere. I think they will be equally reliable though. I wish I was asian
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Its all about sharing information. Honda is selling engines to GM and I think Honda is getting something back from GM as well. But some people just don't want to admit that Honda is like every company there is and that they also need help in some technology. This information and equipment exchange has been going on for years but some people think that just because it has a foreign name on it then it must be better; when if fact that is not always the case. Take for example Toyota and GM, they have been in partnerships sin early 90’s is not late 80’s. The Corolla and the Prism being produced in the same plant by the same machinery and people, the only difference is the sticker that says Toyota or GM. But for some estrange reason people prefer to pay a few thousands dollars more for a sticker that says Toyota. CivicDude knew this and he made a great choice when he purchased his Prism.
Cambo,
I see what you are talking about, there so many partnerships in companies that if the stupid people that say they will never buy a car that has some relation to GM, Chrysler or Ford then those people will have a hard time finding a variety or cars too choose from. I know for a fact that GM Brands are the following: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, HUMMER, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall and EV1. I also know that GM is involved with Fiat, Fuji/Subaru, Isuzu and Suzuki. Ford is involved with Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover and Aston Martin. Daimler Chrysler owns Maybach, Mercedes-Benz, Osmart, Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep. Daimler Chrysler is also partners with Fuso, Mitsubishi and Hyundai.
The same goes for people that say that they will only buy American. Parts and Cars are made all over the world with technology exchange and shared throughout many companies that at the end IMO there is no such thing as a 100% American car or Japanese car.
Its all about sharing information. Honda is selling engines to GM and I think Honda is getting something back from GM as well. But some people just don't want to admit that Honda is like every company there is and that they also need help in some technology. This information and equipment exchange has been going on for years but some people think that just because it has a foreign name on it then it must be better; when if fact that is not always the case. Take for example Toyota and GM, they have been in partnerships sin early 90’s is not late 80’s. The Corolla and the Prism being produced in the same plant by the same machinery and people, the only difference is the sticker that says Toyota or GM. But for some estrange reason people prefer to pay a few thousands dollars more for a sticker that says Toyota. CivicDude knew this and he made a great choice when he purchased his Prism.
Cambo,
I see what you are talking about, there so many partnerships in companies that if the stupid people that say they will never buy a car that has some relation to GM, Chrysler or Ford then those people will have a hard time finding a variety or cars too choose from. I know for a fact that GM Brands are the following: Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, GMC, HUMMER, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Saab, Saturn, Holden, Opel, Vauxhall and EV1. I also know that GM is involved with Fiat, Fuji/Subaru, Isuzu and Suzuki. Ford is involved with Lincoln, Mercury, Mazda, Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover and Aston Martin. Daimler Chrysler owns Maybach, Mercedes-Benz, Osmart, Dodge, Chrysler and Jeep. Daimler Chrysler is also partners with Fuso, Mitsubishi and Hyundai.
The same goes for people that say that they will only buy American. Parts and Cars are made all over the world with technology exchange and shared throughout many companies that at the end IMO there is no such thing as a 100% American car or Japanese car.
When people say "well its a domestic." its completely contradicting the whole point. There's so much technology sharing thats nothing is really import or domestic. only 35% of the parts of the new civics are from japan, the rest is all the Good Ol' USA. Meaning its more of a domestic than an import. People just need to get out of their car bubbles. Imports disliking Domestics JUST because its a domestic and vice versa.
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Originally posted by cambo
exactly!
When people say "well its a domestic." its completely contradicting the whole point. There's so much technology sharing thats nothing is really import or domestic. only 35% of the parts of the new civics are from japan, the rest is all the Good Ol' USA. Meaning its more of a domestic than an import. People just need to get out of their car bubbles. Imports disliking Domestics JUST because its a domestic and vice versa.
exactly!
When people say "well its a domestic." its completely contradicting the whole point. There's so much technology sharing thats nothing is really import or domestic. only 35% of the parts of the new civics are from japan, the rest is all the Good Ol' USA. Meaning its more of a domestic than an import. People just need to get out of their car bubbles. Imports disliking Domestics JUST because its a domestic and vice versa.
We buy car brand for their design, test flow and QA test flow. Reliability is mostly base on design not the part nor the place the car is fabricated. Honda civic build in Japan using purely jap part will have the same quality of one built in the US only US part. Because Honda mechanical select their design, material engineer selesct their steel and plastics, product engineer select their part. There is no difference between american steel or english steel or chinese steel as long as they are qualified by Honda. WE ARE PAYING FOR THEIR BRAIN TO DESIGN, THEIR ABILITY OF DETERMINE WHAT PARTS GOES WHERE AND THEIR COORDINATION IN THEIR FABRICATION/TEST/QA.
Therefore, if one BMW DESIGNED (material selection, test and QA all included) by GERMEN using all part and steel from US, it is still is a IMPORT with IMPORT QUALITY and its reliability is guranteed by its design and we are paying for that.
Let's say a FORD domestically designed (material selection, test and QA all included) but use all GERMEN steel/plastic/part, it will still have FORD quality.
It is non sense saying a Honda (BMW, Toyota or whatever) using domestic part will automatically have the realiability of domestic we all know that. BECAUSE THIR ENGINEER SUBMIT THEIR DESIGN CAD FILE AND HAVE PLANT HERE TO MAKE THE PARTS, THE DESIGN ITSELF IS AN IMPORT! AND RELIABILITY IS IN THE DESIGN AND THEIR IDEA OF FABRICATION PROCESS!
So, when people like import they like their BRAIN TO DESIGN, THEIR ABILITY OF DETERMINE WHAT PARTS GOES WHERE AND THEIR COORDINATION IN THEIR FABRICATION/TEST/QA, not because they like GERMEN or jap metal, plastic and parts.
So there is still, obviously difference between domestic and import. Or maybe you can try to argue to BWM engineer, Lexus engineers saying because their car use domestic metals and parts they should have domestic reliability and see what will they say.
And by the way, Intel CPU and a lot of other microprocessor (designed by USA of course) used by NASA are using silicone from Mexico and fabricated in Taiwan, will you say they are not domestic and will you say NASA shuttles are imports??
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Originally posted by orion_squall
We buy car brand for their design, test flow and QA test flow. Reliability is mostly base on design not the part nor the place the car is fabricated. Honda civic build in Japan using purely jap part will have the same quality of one built in the US only US part. Because Honda mechanical select their design, material engineer selesct their steel and plastics, product engineer select their part. There is no difference between american steel or english steel or chinese steel as long as they are qualified by Honda. WE ARE PAYING FOR THEIR BRAIN TO DESIGN, THEIR ABILITY OF DETERMINE WHAT PARTS GOES WHERE AND THEIR COORDINATION IN THEIR FABRICATION/TEST/QA.
Therefore, if one BMW DESIGNED (material selection, test and QA all included) by GERMEN using all part and steel from US, it is still is a IMPORT with IMPORT QUALITY and its reliability is guranteed by its design and we are paying for that.
Let's say a FORD domestically designed (material selection, test and QA all included) but use all GERMEN steel/plastic/part, it will still have FORD quality.
It is non sense saying a Honda (BMW, Toyota or whatever) using domestic part will automatically have the realiability of domestic we all know that. BECAUSE THIR ENGINEER SUBMIT THEIR DESIGN CAD FILE AND HAVE PLANT HERE TO MAKE THE PARTS, THE DESIGN ITSELF IS AN IMPORT! AND RELIABILITY IS IN THE DESIGN AND THEIR IDEA OF FABRICATION PROCESS!
So, when people like import they like their BRAIN TO DESIGN, THEIR ABILITY OF DETERMINE WHAT PARTS GOES WHERE AND THEIR COORDINATION IN THEIR FABRICATION/TEST/QA, not because they like GERMEN or jap metal, plastic and parts.
So there is still, obviously difference between domestic and import. Or maybe you can try to argue to BWM engineer, Lexus engineers saying because their car use domestic metals and parts they should have domestic reliability and see what will they say.
And by the way, Intel CPU and a lot of other microprocessor (designed by USA of course) used by NASA are using silicone from Mexico and fabricated in Taiwan, will you say they are not domestic and will you say NASA shuttles are imports??
We buy car brand for their design, test flow and QA test flow. Reliability is mostly base on design not the part nor the place the car is fabricated. Honda civic build in Japan using purely jap part will have the same quality of one built in the US only US part. Because Honda mechanical select their design, material engineer selesct their steel and plastics, product engineer select their part. There is no difference between american steel or english steel or chinese steel as long as they are qualified by Honda. WE ARE PAYING FOR THEIR BRAIN TO DESIGN, THEIR ABILITY OF DETERMINE WHAT PARTS GOES WHERE AND THEIR COORDINATION IN THEIR FABRICATION/TEST/QA.
Therefore, if one BMW DESIGNED (material selection, test and QA all included) by GERMEN using all part and steel from US, it is still is a IMPORT with IMPORT QUALITY and its reliability is guranteed by its design and we are paying for that.
Let's say a FORD domestically designed (material selection, test and QA all included) but use all GERMEN steel/plastic/part, it will still have FORD quality.
It is non sense saying a Honda (BMW, Toyota or whatever) using domestic part will automatically have the realiability of domestic we all know that. BECAUSE THIR ENGINEER SUBMIT THEIR DESIGN CAD FILE AND HAVE PLANT HERE TO MAKE THE PARTS, THE DESIGN ITSELF IS AN IMPORT! AND RELIABILITY IS IN THE DESIGN AND THEIR IDEA OF FABRICATION PROCESS!
So, when people like import they like their BRAIN TO DESIGN, THEIR ABILITY OF DETERMINE WHAT PARTS GOES WHERE AND THEIR COORDINATION IN THEIR FABRICATION/TEST/QA, not because they like GERMEN or jap metal, plastic and parts.
So there is still, obviously difference between domestic and import. Or maybe you can try to argue to BWM engineer, Lexus engineers saying because their car use domestic metals and parts they should have domestic reliability and see what will they say.
And by the way, Intel CPU and a lot of other microprocessor (designed by USA of course) used by NASA are using silicone from Mexico and fabricated in Taiwan, will you say they are not domestic and will you say NASA shuttles are imports??
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Originally posted by cambo
yet you forget. Those engineers...who's to say that they arent american or whatever? Everyone goes to college, everyone gets a degree, everyone (well..not everyone) gets a job. The point is, does the amount of care that the people who assemble the cars differ from americans and lets say japs? Definitely. Like in the past, people would look to see what day their car was assembled. If it was on a monday, then you could be sure your car was crap. Why? It was known as Hangover Monday. The american workers would come to the plant and try to get over their hangovers, while (lets use this again) the japs would come to work concentrated.
yet you forget. Those engineers...who's to say that they arent american or whatever? Everyone goes to college, everyone gets a degree, everyone (well..not everyone) gets a job. The point is, does the amount of care that the people who assemble the cars differ from americans and lets say japs? Definitely. Like in the past, people would look to see what day their car was assembled. If it was on a monday, then you could be sure your car was crap. Why? It was known as Hangover Monday. The american workers would come to the plant and try to get over their hangovers, while (lets use this again) the japs would come to work concentrated.
again, who said here jap engineers or germen engineers are different from american engineers? and who says american are lazier and jap works harder?
The whole thing depend on company coordination (how do they manage their engineers and assemblers), concept and their policy. Concept, coordination and policy of import car company will come from their original headquater (euro or jap). So maybe it is wrong to class car by which human race making it, in this we all agree and it is not my point here. But there is difference between the BMW, HONDA, LEXUS company and GM, in other word, IMPORT will still have import quality and domestic will still have domestic quality until the day they total fuse in their concept, coordination policy and all that, which is not possible unless making money and compete is out of picture.
People who believe in import believe in their concept and in the company itself not because they think foreign engineers are better. (for those who do, they are really ignorant)
Otherwise from your arguement import and domestic will have same reliability, and this will just challenge all car reviews no matter it is from yahoo, MSN or all other car review magazines.
That will be a big challenge.
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Originally posted by orion_squall
and who says american are lazier and jap works harder?
People who believe in import believe in their concept and in the company itself not because they think foreign engineers are better. (for those who do, they are really ignorant)
and who says american are lazier and jap works harder?
People who believe in import believe in their concept and in the company itself not because they think foreign engineers are better. (for those who do, they are really ignorant)
2. Thats exactly the point. People go around being ignorant in their Honda Bubble. (GM bubble, Toyota Bubble, etc. etc.)
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