NEW Next Generation Honda S2200!!
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Originally posted by aki
A convertible handles worse because of the reinforcing they have to do with the body.
A convertible handles worse because of the reinforcing they have to do with the body.
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i read about the new S2200 in car and driver. C&D say honda upped the displacement from 2.0L to 2.2L (i guess thats why its called S2200). they also mentioned that the S2200 will get MORE torque at a lower RPM (i guess honda thinks 153 lbs ft of torque at 7500RPM didn't cut it). they also say honda will lower the redline (hopefully not much, car sounds sweet when at 8000RPM+). a softer suspension and slight front fascia facelift are also in the mix. nothing mentioned about the car being a coupe, i guess its not happening this year.
i read about the new S2200 in car and driver. C&D say honda upped the displacement from 2.0L to 2.2L (i guess thats why its called S2200). they also mentioned that the S2200 will get MORE torque at a lower RPM (i guess honda thinks 153 lbs ft of torque at 7500RPM didn't cut it). they also say honda will lower the redline (hopefully not much, car sounds sweet when at 8000RPM+). a softer suspension and slight front fascia facelift are also in the mix. nothing mentioned about the car being a coupe, i guess its not happening this year.
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Rep Power: 318 Originally posted by S2000man01
I'd be surprised if they lowered the redline or softened the suspension. It would make it handle worse, and they'd lose their 9000rpm lovers.
I'd be surprised if they lowered the redline or softened the suspension. It would make it handle worse, and they'd lose their 9000rpm lovers.
also forget to mention that i remember something from the article that they will re-do the gear ratios or whatever to match the new engine specs. if it performs better, than i dont mind the lower redline.
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Rep Power: 0 Well, a convertible always handles worse than a coupe of the same car. Not saying that the S2000 handles bad, or is less rigid than other cars. Its an awesome car, one of the nicest sports cars out there. But I'm willing to bet (if I was a gambling kinda guy) that an S2000 coupe would handle better than a convertible.
S2000's not really an exception ...cus' we have no S2000 coupe to compare it to
But hey maybe you're right, the car could've been design to be better as a convertible.
S2000's not really an exception ...cus' we have no S2000 coupe to compare it to
But hey maybe you're right, the car could've been design to be better as a convertible. Registered!!
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Here's the link for the S2200
http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...tid=14516&pg=1
No more 9k redline, upped to 2.2 liters, more low-end torque, softer ride, modified gear ratios, slightly different look. Its a pretty big change I say.
Edit: No coupe though.
Here's the link for the S2200
http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...tid=14516&pg=1
No more 9k redline, upped to 2.2 liters, more low-end torque, softer ride, modified gear ratios, slightly different look. Its a pretty big change I say.
Edit: No coupe though.
I sure wish my car was newer
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Rep Power: 365 Originally posted by S2000man01
Except in the case of the S2000. It's one of the best handling cars ever, and in fact, in modified form, holds the record for most g's on a skidpad for any production vehicle. (1.19 I believe) And the S2000's chassis, though topless, is actually MORE rigid than the majority of vehicles out there, and has better torsional rigidity than most coupes.
Except in the case of the S2000. It's one of the best handling cars ever, and in fact, in modified form, holds the record for most g's on a skidpad for any production vehicle. (1.19 I believe) And the S2000's chassis, though topless, is actually MORE rigid than the majority of vehicles out there, and has better torsional rigidity than most coupes.
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Rep Power: 433 Originally posted by VTECTypeR
That would be real gay if they lower the 9000 rpm limit. Thats one of the coolest things about S2000's. And S2200 sounds stupid lol
That would be real gay if they lower the 9000 rpm limit. Thats one of the coolest things about S2000's. And S2200 sounds stupid lol
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Rep Power: 400 Originally posted by aki
Well, a convertible always handles worse than a coupe of the same car. Not saying that the S2000 handles bad, or is less rigid than other cars. Its an awesome car, one of the nicest sports cars out there. But I'm willing to bet (if I was a gambling kinda guy) that an S2000 coupe would handle better than a convertible.
Well, a convertible always handles worse than a coupe of the same car. Not saying that the S2000 handles bad, or is less rigid than other cars. Its an awesome car, one of the nicest sports cars out there. But I'm willing to bet (if I was a gambling kinda guy) that an S2000 coupe would handle better than a convertible.
and yes white2k2ex, it is a roadster. Roadsters by definition, are two seater, nimble, RWD convertible cars.
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Rep Power: 400 Originally posted by aki
Double posting okay? Different topic.
Here's the link for the S2200
http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...tid=14516&pg=1
No more 9k redline, upped to 2.2 liters, more low-end torque, softer ride, modified gear ratios, slightly different look. Its a pretty big change I say.
Edit: No coupe though.
Double posting okay? Different topic.
Here's the link for the S2200
http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...tid=14516&pg=1
No more 9k redline, upped to 2.2 liters, more low-end torque, softer ride, modified gear ratios, slightly different look. Its a pretty big change I say.
Edit: No coupe though.
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Rep Power: 400 Why wouldn't there be any power gains from boring out the engine to a 2.2? You do know how engines work right?? If they keep the same compression, there WILL be a power gain.
King motorsports has an ALL MOTOR S2000 bored out to a 2.2 liter that gets around 300 WHEEL hp.
King motorsports has an ALL MOTOR S2000 bored out to a 2.2 liter that gets around 300 WHEEL hp.
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Rep Power: 0 Wild speculation, but different cams to bring more low-end power? N'stuff like that? Perhaps in bringing up the low end the high end was sacrificed, so the peak HP stayed about the same.
Probably has different exhaust manifold, piping etc. Maybe these are all wild ramblings from auto sites. Another site, http://www.autoexpress.co.uk also talked about the S2200. Do a search and you'll find a tiny blurb. I can't get the link cus' you can only browse a little before it bugs you to register.
Either way, I can't afford it, so it won't bug me too much what happens. They should stick with the name S2000 though, S2200's a pain to say.
Probably has different exhaust manifold, piping etc. Maybe these are all wild ramblings from auto sites. Another site, http://www.autoexpress.co.uk also talked about the S2200. Do a search and you'll find a tiny blurb. I can't get the link cus' you can only browse a little before it bugs you to register.
Either way, I can't afford it, so it won't bug me too much what happens. They should stick with the name S2000 though, S2200's a pain to say.
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Actually, the C5 Corvette was designed as a convertible first, a coupe second, and a hardtop last. So, the chassis rigidity on all 3 models is very high, and there really isn't a weight penalty or handling penalty. IIRC, the ragtop weighs only 1lb more than the coupe, and the hardtop weighs less than both of them.
As for chassis rigidity, all 3 models I've driven were quite rigid.
Of course, you want a low point in convertibles, take a look at the 87-93 Mustangs... those things are terrible as a convertible, and only a little better as a coupe
As for the Honda 2.2 liter engine having more power... I guess we have to wait and see... look at the 2.0 i-VTEC Civic Si at 160hp, same as the 2.4 i-VTEC Accord.
Now, if S2000man has seen engine specs in writing, thats different. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Honda keeps the same HP rating, more torque, both peaking sooner, and having a slightly lower redline. I'd just hope they keep it above 8000rpm... That glorious sound just won't be the same if the redline is at 7500 or so
Actually, the C5 Corvette was designed as a convertible first, a coupe second, and a hardtop last. So, the chassis rigidity on all 3 models is very high, and there really isn't a weight penalty or handling penalty. IIRC, the ragtop weighs only 1lb more than the coupe, and the hardtop weighs less than both of them.
As for chassis rigidity, all 3 models I've driven were quite rigid.
Of course, you want a low point in convertibles, take a look at the 87-93 Mustangs... those things are terrible as a convertible, and only a little better as a coupe
As for the Honda 2.2 liter engine having more power... I guess we have to wait and see... look at the 2.0 i-VTEC Civic Si at 160hp, same as the 2.4 i-VTEC Accord.
Now, if S2000man has seen engine specs in writing, thats different. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Honda keeps the same HP rating, more torque, both peaking sooner, and having a slightly lower redline. I'd just hope they keep it above 8000rpm...
That glorious sound just won't be the same if the redline is at 7500 or so Originally posted by aki
Well, a convertible always handles worse than a coupe of the same car. Not saying that the S2000 handles bad, or is less rigid than other cars.
Well, a convertible always handles worse than a coupe of the same car. Not saying that the S2000 handles bad, or is less rigid than other cars.
Originally posted by S2000man01
I'd be surprised if they lowered the redline or softened the suspension. It would make it handle worse, and they'd lose their 9000rpm lovers.
I'd be surprised if they lowered the redline or softened the suspension. It would make it handle worse, and they'd lose their 9000rpm lovers.
EDIT: About the redline, the Accord and Si are not like the S2000. Take the NSX and Integra Type R for example. Their redlines are still the same.
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Rep Power: 0 I can understand why they'd lower the redline. High reving cars just aren't popular in the US. Most people I know don't get excited about a 9k redline. Heck, I don't get excited about that. I like some low-end torque too.
Not sure if I'd agree with softening the suspension though ....I mean its a sports car, not a sports luxury car. If people wanted luxury get that Lexus ragtop, with cushy suspension and a sprinkle of excitment.
Not sure if I'd agree with softening the suspension though ....I mean its a sports car, not a sports luxury car. If people wanted luxury get that Lexus ragtop, with cushy suspension and a sprinkle of excitment.
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Rep Power: 400 If you seriously think that's the case about the redline, head over to s2ki.com and tell them how "unexciting" 9000rpm is.
In other words, for those of us that own(ed) that car, the 9000rpm redline was AWESOME to say the least. Revving that high was fun as hell, and I did it EVERY DAY.
In other words, for those of us that own(ed) that car, the 9000rpm redline was AWESOME to say the least. Revving that high was fun as hell, and I did it EVERY DAY.
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I dunno if Honda will lower the redline or not. I mean in general, larger engines aren't as happy spinning higher revs, but 200cc shouldnt make a huge difference...
Anyone know the redlines on the 3.0 and 3.2 NSXs?
I dunno if Honda will lower the redline or not. I mean in general, larger engines aren't as happy spinning higher revs, but 200cc shouldnt make a huge difference...
Anyone know the redlines on the 3.0 and 3.2 NSXs?
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In other words, for those of us that own(ed) that car, the 9000rpm redline was AWESOME to say the least. Revving that high was fun as hell, and I did it EVERY DAY.
In other words, for those of us that own(ed) that car, the 9000rpm redline was AWESOME to say the least. Revving that high was fun as hell, and I did it EVERY DAY.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by S2000man01
If you seriously think that's the case about the redline, head over to s2ki.com and tell them how "unexciting" 9000rpm is.
In other words, for those of us that own(ed) that car, the 9000rpm redline was AWESOME to say the least. Revving that high was fun as hell, and I did it EVERY DAY.
If you seriously think that's the case about the redline, head over to s2ki.com and tell them how "unexciting" 9000rpm is.
In other words, for those of us that own(ed) that car, the 9000rpm redline was AWESOME to say the least. Revving that high was fun as hell, and I did it EVERY DAY.
I'm not saying high rev is worse than a low reving, or vice versa. Or that low torque is objectively more fun than a high revving car. It just doesn't seem as marketable here as in Japan. Some people like it. Some aren't as so impassioned about it. I happen to be the latter.
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by MMILX
I wouldn't be surprised if Honda keeps the same HP rating, more torque, both peaking sooner, and having a slightly lower redline.
I wouldn't be surprised if Honda keeps the same HP rating, more torque, both peaking sooner, and having a slightly lower redline.
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