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Old 07-07-2003
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What gives the RSX-S 40+ hp then the baseline rsx???

After reading through some old magaizes last night here at the house(honda Tuning) i read the article that HASPORT did in a 7thgen sedan on a k20a2 swap. After reading the article and more stuff i came to a question that i wondered about. What makes the k20a2 engine so much more powerful then the k20a??? i mean they are both i-vtec and dohc, so what gives the k20a2(rsx-s) 40+ hp then the k20

The RSX-S whp is 200
the baseline whp is 160

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Good question, im not sure my self, prob timing, maybe cams?
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Compression bump, True DOHC VTEC (Base is variable intake only), higher lift cams and a better flowing head.

Oh, and they don't make that in WHP
Those numbers are at the crank. The base makes about 146 at the wheels, I think the S makes about 170.

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Re: What gives the RSX-S 40+ hp then the baseline rsx???

Originally posted by injencivic
After reading through some old magaizes last night here at the house(honda Tuning) i read the article that HASPORT did in a 7thgen sedan on a k20a2 swap. After reading the article and more stuff i came to a question that i wondered about. What makes the k20a2 engine so much more powerful then the k20a??? i mean they are both i-vtec and dohc, so what gives the k20a2(rsx-s) 40+ hp then the k20

The RSX-S whp is 200
the baseline whp is 160

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i dont know the reason but the HP is not to the wheels...
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The K20A2 has a higher redline, and has i-VTEC on both the exhaust and intake valves (K20A3 only has i-VTEC on the intake valves). The K20A2 also has higher compression and all the goodies to support the extra revs / more power (oil squirters for each piston and a fully balanced crankshaft from the factory).
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cool thanks for the answers guys!!

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The motor in the Base RSX is the same motor in the SI. The K20A3 has i-Vtec on the intake cam only and a lower compression. The K20A3 compression is 9.8:1 while the K20A2 compression is 11.0:1 I like the lower compression in the K20A3 in my SI for the fact that it is better for boost. Plus Vtec doesn't really matter when you go FI.
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[ Plus Vtec doesn't really matter when you go FI. [/B]
AIGHT! I totally agree with that. Some people like to stay NA, but in terms of VTEC, it's hard to use all the power on a daily basis, so FI can be the answer.
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Originally posted by Jodster
The motor in the Base RSX is the same motor in the SI. The K20A3 has i-Vtec on the intake cam only and a lower compression. The K20A3 compression is 9.8:1 while the K20A2 compression is 11.0:1 I like the lower compression in the K20A3 in my SI for the fact that it is better for boost. Plus Vtec doesn't really matter when you go FI.
The base rsx is not the same as the SI
look at the torque figure...
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Originally posted by wing0
The base rsx is not the same as the SI
look at the torque figure...

not every component of the car is...only engine...



the ivtecs on both cars are different....i dont know how but u can feel it engage in the S very good...
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The differyyyyytttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt4eeee6666 666666666666666666666loppppppp

That was from my cat walking on the key board while I was typing. LOL.

Anyways, the motor in the base RSX and in the SI are the SAME motor.
There is one difference though. The K20A3 in the base RSX has a three stage intake manifold. Hence the reason it is plastic vs the one on the K20A3 in the SI.

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The highter compression ratio is another factor too, it recomends in the owners manual to run 91 or higher octane. Another interesting point is that the base RSX uses 5W20 motor oil and the RSX Type S uses 5W30.
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you guys are all wrong.......geesh, I had more faith in you guys, it has nothing to do with the difference in compression, the intake cam and the exhaust cam, it all has to do with the cool S in the back, that's where all the HP is drawn.....HELLO!!!!!!
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you guys are all wrong.......geesh, I had more faith in you guys, it has nothing to do with the difference in compression, the intake cam and the exhaust cam, it all has to do with the cool S in the back, that's where all the HP is drawn.....HELLO!!!!!!
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Originally posted by aznsmtboy
you guys are all wrong.......geesh, I had more faith in you guys, it has nothing to do with the difference in compression, the intake cam and the exhaust cam, it all has to do with the cool S in the back, that's where all the HP is drawn.....HELLO!!!!!!
That also goes back to my sticker theory. The biger the sticker the more HP it adds. You see those cars with the huge "Honda" on the hoods. You better watch out cuz its smokin. The ones with a million little stickers, they're pretty quick becuase of all that added SP (sticker power)
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I was positive that the type-s was the K20A2, and that the base RSX and SI were the K20A3?

you guys are saying the opposite?

dang...have I been wrong all this time? lol!
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wait, just reread the first post...the type-s IS the k20a2...cool.

i'm not going mad.
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i just wanted to say thank you to all the people that replyed to this thread...........i have learned ssssoooo much
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Originally posted by tekgnosis
wait, just reread the first post...the type-s IS the k20a2...cool.

i'm not going mad.
Yeah injen had mixed the engine numbers up a bit in the first post, but then everyone cleared it up. The type S has the K20A2 which has 200hp at the crank and the base is the K20A3 with 160hp at the crank. Then there is also the K20A which is in japan and that has 220hp. It has an even higher compression ration than the K20A2.
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Interesting.

I believe the type R is also known as the "K20AR". I've seen it for sale, and people use that engine code. It might just be a selling tactic, though.

cool, thanks for clearing it up!
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So what your saying is that every civic i see with a type s emblem on it has the K20a2? Damn!
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yeah after i slapped on my Type-R stickers i had to get custom guages for the added amount of RPM's.
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The K20A has a 11.5:1 compression. But don't forget about the K20A1. You will find it in the new CTR. 215 hp.
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The K20A does not have 220 HP. That's 220KW which is not equivalent to HP. In horsepower that's 217HP. That goes for the CTR, too. It's not 215, it's 212HP.

EDIT: And JDM engines do NOT have a # following the 4th character. Techincally, all DC5 engines are K20A. USDM engines get i.e. A2, A3, etc. K20AR, B18CR... the R is just for clarification... kinda like DC2R and DC5R.

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so wait the k20a3 in the SI doesn't have a plastic intake manifold? i always thought it did.

Anywho k20a2's own
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