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Hi all,
New to the forum, hopefully not for long.
I don't own a Civic yet, BUT it is def in my future.
The question I am having is about the engines.
I really was trying to avoid the 1.5-liter turbo and stick with a 2.0 liter non turbo model because I know these tend to last a long time.
Whichever way I go it will be the 6 spd manual.
The turbo models tend to show their age after 100k, and I keep my cars a lot longer than that.

My mechanic said if I am worried about longevity just stick with the 2.0, but I think after a few years it might feel under powered.
Do people get 250k to 500k out of Honda turbo motors?

I am not in the habit of beating on my cars.
I have a 07 Nissan 350z I drive a lot, super fun car, but we never beat on it, I've never dumped the clutch in it even.
I drive rather conservative most of the time, but I do appreciate the torque and HP.

I'm tempted to get the sport touring for improved interior options, but I wanted to hear from others about whether the turbo motor will last if taken care of properly as long as the 2.0 liter non turbo motor.
I know the SI has the more powerful motor unless you go type R, and I can't afford a 2023 type R, and I really want a hatch, the sedan doesn't do it for me despite the better performance of the SI.

So, for me, it's either a loaded touring model with the turbo or, the sport model, I just feel like if I am going to spend the money, I want the extra options like the nicer power seats, and some of those options you can't get on the sport.
I really wish we had the option of any of these motors in any of the trims, so we could order the SI motor for the sport and visa versa.
Thanks for any information, I do appreciate it.
Lump

 
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do you mind if we move thread to the 10th Gen? 11th Gen is too new to have any longevity information

 
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Oh, I'm so sorry, I didn't know this was wrong, sorry I have a lot to learn, yes please move it anywhere you wish.
Thanks.

 
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not wrong, we just think you will get better responses

 
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11thgen 1.5T is the same engine as the 10thgen, just with a twin scroll turbo. As long as you maintain it properly, you'll be fine with the 1.5T. There's a member over on CivicX with at least 139k tuned miles running KTuner on their 17 Sport hatchback, so you can take that for what it's worth. I'm just south of 70k on my 18 sport hatch, and I've been tuned for a bit more than 56k of those miles

If that were the case, it would render the Si trim kinda useless, and Honda has operated on the Si being the non-Type R performance model for.. a long time now.

 
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Thanks for the reply, I'm as green as they come here, I am not in the know with Hondas, previous models' generations etc.. it is all new to me.

The way I take care of cars and drive I think it will be fine, I just was worried with the sport regretting it later when it isn't as snappy as I might like and to give up on the nicer interior options with the sport vs the sport touring, so the conservative side of me wants the sport, I know it will last a long, long time, but the enthusiast in me wants the Type R, lol but I don't have 45k for a car, so a nice compromise seems to be the sport touring model.
thanks again.
Matt

 
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I will say, looking at the specs of both the 2.0 non-turbo vs the 1.5T (I had this same discussion with my old roomie's wife), the 1.5T has more power and is more fuel efficient. The only downside is you have to make sure you maintain it properly (really, be more strict with the oil changes...) and feed it good fuel. I mean, you should be filling up with top tier gas anyways, so there's that.

She, too, was looking at the sedan sport trim, purely bc of the looks. We convinced her to go with the sport hatch (same trim as mine, just a few years newer), and she's loved it ever since

 
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Very cool man, thanks for sharing that.

I was talking to my wife and decided I think I am just going to get the Type R, screw it.
I was being practical but then knowing I am getting it brand new and can take care of it, I am sure it will be fine.
If I am going to go in with the turbo motor I may as well consider going all in.
My only thought now is the comfort of the type r.

I drive a Z now and love it but it's an 07 with 155k on it and its time to upgrade.
I am a bigger guy, 6'3" 260 and my Z isn't comfy to me.
So, I would hate to sacrifice all you get with the type R over comfort and get a Sport touring model instead, I'm a little torn, I was pretty excited about the touring model but knowing I can get the R is pushing me in that direction.

The other thing I have to think about is weather, and I'm not sure how I feel about that, are civics in general decent in the snow?
I do have a 2000 4x4 chevy that if I keep it running, I can use it in the bad weather so I think my mind might be made up.

It is going to be some time before I can buy anyway, we are buying my wife a RAV4 first, then I can get whatever I want.
But I think after going over it today it will be next Feb before it is my turn to buy so I have all year to check out the models and Ill prob go for a 2024 since I have to wait anyway.

 
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Tons of civics in Canada, should be OK (although Canada is very good to plow and next day is good and clear)
Lived a year 1/2 in QC, lowered 1 1/4 inches 2002 civic was fine in snow. The worst I had was driving from Syracuse NY to Canada border (1 foot snow suddenly fell in the mountains) but aside from not knowing where the road was it plowed well until a real plower caught up with me and cleared the road

 
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Good, I'm glad to hear that.
A dealer just told me they haven't been allocated any Type R's yet this year and that market value is such they ask getting $5, to $10 k over sticker.
Is this typical of Honda dealers?

To be honest, I really love most of the features the type R gets you, including 300 hp, but for a daily driver it's probably not the best option especially if I will never run it on a track or anything, and I feel like unless in comfort mode it is similar to a reg Civic it might not be a very comfortable ride as it is built for handling not comfort.
Might be overkill if I just want a fun model to whip around in.
So, part of me really wants to get one, I may end up with the sport touring out of principle, price and practicality.
Plus the touring model is 30 payments for me, the type R, 54.
Plus, if I am being honest, I am not a fan of all the red.

I am probably going to have to wait for next Feb, a year and a month from now to purchase and if so, Ill check to see what is up with the 2024's at that point, and if I can order one or not and if they are still gouging and calling it "market value".
This will give me all year to spot trends and figure out when is the best time to buy so dealers are less aggressive.
I wonder what time of year is best to buy a new car.
I know late in each Quarter of the year; they will make deals and late in each month they are more aggressive just before they have to pay the fees for the next month for the cars on their lots.
Matt


Matt

 
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If you got a Type R at MSRP I'd be amazed. I doubt one has ever been sold at MSRP.

For the price and what you're looking for, I don't think a Type R is really worth it.

 
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I tend to agree with you on that.
The type R wasn't on the radar when I started, when I saw it I thought hmm, this looks fun, the more I learned about it the more I liked it and as an enthusiast I do appreciate a quick car, thus why I drive an 07 Z, but as you pointed out, the price is insane, last year they were 37k, this year 44k.

I have found a few buyers who did pay msrp or they claim they did I should say, who knows maybe your right.

To be honest whether I buy one or not, it really does sour me a little with Honda a bit to know they treat their customers like that, for a few bucks before customer loyalty or a good reputation.
But again, I'm most likely going to buy a sport touring anyway so the point may be mute.

A dealer told me a NY dealer sold one for 50k4 over sticker, that makes me want to go Toyota, it is sickening.
When Ford dealers tried that with the new Bronco ford got involved and told dealers if they continue to gouge customers they will not be allocated anymore Broncos and can even lose their franchise license, I wish Honda would follow suit.

Anyway, I need to look around the boards from other parts of the country to see what dealers in New England people like to use and maybe some reasons why to help me locate some of the better dealers available in my area.
When I started this I was afraid of the turbo, my mechanic swears to avoid them if you want the car to last as a Honda normally would, but I am not in love with the sport model, it lacks features I would like to have so I am going to take a chance I think with the sport touring model when the time comes unless I can find a deal on a Type R that just does it for me.
I'm going to wait for 2024 models to come out anyway so I can maybe either find a deal on a left over 2023 sport touring model or ill just try to find one on a lot next spring.
Since I have to wait anyway may as well wait until I can get the deal I want on the car I want.
Matt

 
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Yes, charging over MSRP angers me as well but there is always someone willing to pay the price. I never plan on buying a new car anyways so it doesn't really affect me

For what it's worth I rode in something like an '18 Si that was tuned and I remember it felling very quick. The 1.5 turbo is no slouch.

 
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The SI has the 200 hp version I think? the Type r 300 or 315, and the standard 1.5 is 183? something like that.
I really wish Honda would offer the SI package in the hatchback, I really dislike the sedan body style personally, I can't see sacrificing all that space and ease of access to the rear when the hatch is so convenient.
I wish they would just allow you to mix and match pretty much any compatible parts that you want from model to model.

On that note, I started out looking at Accords, but it looks like they no longer make a manual shift version anymore and that is kind of a dealbreaker for me, I also didn't notice any accord hatchbacks, do they not make them anymore? am I crazy, they did make them in the past right?

These Hondas do last a long time if you take care of them, I plan to do just that, so I don't mind the added expense of buying new this time around, we have waited years and now money is starting to flow so.

I was saving 20k to buy something used, BUT used prices are so out of control, I can actually get a 2023 for less than a 2021 or 2022 in many cases, so right now it just doesn't pay to buy used, and you never know for sure what you're getting when you buy used, sometimes you get lucky other times not so much, and at my age, I am ready for some smooth sailing for a few years.
I can pay it off in 30 months then own it with no payment for years without any major issues coming along, I hope anyway.
Over the years I have bought several new vehicles, but none since 2000.

I think I am going to shoot for getting my wife's rig first, and then saving up for mine which puts me around Feb next year, and by then I'll probably opt to wait until later in the year for mid-year revisions and prices to stabilize on the model year, it doesn't pay to be an early adopter sometimes.

I'm going to use this year to monitor sales and prices all year and note when the best most advantageous times to make a deal are, so next year when I go to buy, I will have as much info as I can use to help get what I want without waiting 6 months for it.
I appreciate the feedback, thanks.

 
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chekc out lmleocalm on YouTube. He has a 1.5T with 650k miles.

 
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WoW, I have heard of 500k but 650k? LOL that's insane.
I've decided on the 1.5 turbo over the 2.0.
I am going to buy the Touring model unless when the time comes I can get a Type R for msrp and within 6 months, if not, meh, the touring model looks fine for my needs, it just be as fun, but the difference for me 30 payments vs 54.
I'm ok with 30 payments vs 54, at least right now, we will see when the time comes.
Matt
PS did you spell that right? I don't find him when I search that name.
(lmleocalm)

 
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https://www.civicforums.com/forums/2...lage-1-5t.html

 
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here is a link

 
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Thanks for the link, cool video.
Maintenance is key to longevity.
Matt

 
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My son has the 2.0L in his new HRV and it’s pretty uninspiring. On the highway it does ok, but city driving it always feels like I’m pushing it hard. I guess boring is a good word for it, but if you are a patient driver and not used to brisk acceleration, the 2.0 may be fine for you.

before I bought my sport touring hatch with the 1.5L turbo, I was a bit concerned about reliability, but for every negative story, I come across 3-5 success stories of high mileage turbos. Like so many have said, proper maintenance, good gas and oil, and don’t drive the car like it’s an R model.

my hatch has plenty of speed and excitement - I’m frankly very impressed with the fun I have driving the car. You may think the 1.5L turbo is small and underpowered, but Honda is putting these engines in heavier cars (accord/crv)

in eco mode, I was cruising at 80 mph at 2,000 rpm. That’s amazing considering the engine has a 6,000rpm redline. I switched to sport mode and at 80, the rpm’s jumped to 3,500.

im going to take care of my car and enjoy it without worry. One interesting thing I’ve learned just recently is the use of Top Tier gas. I’ve identified gas stations that sell top tier in my area and will ensure I’m using it for its engine cleaning properties.

whatever engine you pick, I hope you have many years of enjoyable driving and reliable service.

 
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RE: "One interesting thing I’ve learned just recently is the use of Top Tier gas."

I too use top tier gasoline as often as possible - I've also recently began using 91 octane fuel, the '24 sport touring (to me) just seems to run better with premium. I'd be interested in your thoughts on the fuel octane with this 1.5 Turbo? Thanks.

 
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The 1.5T has more power and is more efficient