Bolt-on Engine Performance Post questions/information about intakes, exhausts, headers, lightweight pulleys or flywheels? It belongs here.

KMS Intake Manifold Thread #2 *Continued*

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 17, 2003
  #1  
CarbonFly's Avatar
Thread Starter
Tell me what you don't like about yourself....
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 12,576
Likes: 0
From: Columbia, SC, USA
Rep Power: 413
CarbonFly is a name known to allCarbonFly is a name known to allCarbonFly is a name known to allCarbonFly is a name known to allCarbonFly is a name known to allCarbonFly is a name known to allCarbonFly is a name known to all
KMS Intake Manifold Thread #2 *Continued*

The other thread was getting too long. Lets get a fresh start.


Get the Manifold HERE


OLD KMS Thread
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2003
  #2  
EManEX's Avatar
Premium Member
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 2,856
Likes: 0
From: Clovis, California, US
Rep Power: 320
EManEX will become famous soon enoughEManEX will become famous soon enough
Fly,

Thanks for starting a new thread. I don't know about other people but if so many people want to get this dyno why not contribute. I don't mine contributing if it is a $30 or $50 to get this thing dyno; and I'm not even thinking about buying it. Think about it, if there are 30 people interested then thas one dollar each or about $1.60 (USD) for the $50.
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2003
  #3  
slystad810's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,196
Likes: 1
From: Metro Detroit
Rep Power: 0
slystad810 is an unknown quantity at this point
So they have it on their website, are they done producing them or what?

edit: nm thats for 6th gen Civics.

BTW I see a nitrous injected D17 with a CF valve cover at the top

Last edited by slystad810; Jun 17, 2003 at 10:56 AM.
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2003
  #4  
CarbonFly's Avatar
Thread Starter
Tell me what you don't like about yourself....
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
iTrader: (12)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 12,576
Likes: 0
From: Columbia, SC, USA
Rep Power: 413
CarbonFly is a name known to allCarbonFly is a name known to allCarbonFly is a name known to allCarbonFly is a name known to allCarbonFly is a name known to allCarbonFly is a name known to allCarbonFly is a name known to all
That's the naturally aspirated KMS 7thgen Civic.

Find out more here.....
http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...ight=kms+civic

This motor has been totally balanced, and blueprinted.. everything lightened.
Port and polish, pistons, oversized valves, block guard, 500 lift cam, individual throttle bodies, coil pack, clutch/aluminum flywheel, oil pump, haltech, rods, basically everything that can be done to the D17 without using forced induction has been done to this motor. It does also have a 100 shot of nitrous. This package runs anywhere from 5,000-8,000 dollars.
They expect 250hp to the wheels from it.



.
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2003
  #5  
nightkids1's Avatar
Initial D!!!!
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,443
Likes: 0
From: Riverside, California, US
Rep Power: 0
nightkids1 is an unknown quantity at this point
any one have newer pics of it on there car???? the other pic was to small.
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2003
  #6  
runner1738's Avatar
Premium Member
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 9,950
Likes: 0
From: San Diego, Ca
Rep Power: 383
runner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to all
why does it say on their website for 2000 - 2001 civic aren't they different, is it just a typo or is it not the one for our 7thgen civics?
Reply
Old Jun 17, 2003
  #7  
djmota's Avatar
Premium Member
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
iTrader: (34)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,242
Likes: 0
From: so cal djmota=oscar
Rep Power: 323
djmota is just really nicedjmota is just really nicedjmota is just really nicedjmota is just really nice
its just a typo on the site. heres a link to a comparison pic i took stock vs. KMS
linky
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2003
  #8  
aznboysrfr's Avatar
DOHC i-VTEC TiMEX
iTrader: (10)
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 7,266
Likes: 0
From: the OC
Rep Power: 362
aznboysrfr has much to be proud ofaznboysrfr has much to be proud ofaznboysrfr has much to be proud ofaznboysrfr has much to be proud ofaznboysrfr has much to be proud ofaznboysrfr has much to be proud ofaznboysrfr has much to be proud ofaznboysrfr has much to be proud ofaznboysrfr has much to be proud ofaznboysrfr has much to be proud ofaznboysrfr has much to be proud of
hmm ... would this intake manifold give as much gain as say.... a header? T_T;;; ... I dunno ... is it worth it ?
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2003
  #9  
CapYoda's Avatar
Escaped Convict
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 6,450
Likes: 0
From: Westminster, California, US
Rep Power: 368
CapYoda has a spectacular aura aboutCapYoda has a spectacular aura about
ah no I wouldn't compare it with a header.

although they're both manifolds.

heh.

not in our application anyway.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2003
  #10  
IronFist's Avatar
Premium Member
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 22,702
Likes: 0
From: Chicago Burbs, Other, ZEBRA
Rep Power: 528
IronFist has a reputation beyond reputeIronFist has a reputation beyond reputeIronFist has a reputation beyond reputeIronFist has a reputation beyond reputeIronFist has a reputation beyond reputeIronFist has a reputation beyond reputeIronFist has a reputation beyond reputeIronFist has a reputation beyond reputeIronFist has a reputation beyond reputeIronFist has a reputation beyond reputeIronFist has a reputation beyond repute
Who has it installed and has done a test drive?

IronFist
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2003
  #11  
djmota's Avatar
Premium Member
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
iTrader: (34)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,242
Likes: 0
From: so cal djmota=oscar
Rep Power: 323
djmota is just really nicedjmota is just really nicedjmota is just really nicedjmota is just really nice
I finished the install but havn't started it yet...i'm doing this all at work on my breaks.
here are some more pics
installed

there is another pic w/o the cai in the gallery. I'll take it off the jack stands, reset the ecu and start it later tonight.
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2003
  #12  
5PEED EX's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 457
Likes: 0
From: Arlington Heights, Illinois
Rep Power: 0
5PEED EX is an unknown quantity at this point
Is anything else needed along with this IM ? As far as upgrades (i'm not talking about I/H/E, pulley and cam gear).
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2003
  #13  
RedDragon333's Avatar
Registered!!
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 6,995
Likes: 0
From: Houston, Texas, US
Rep Power: 375
RedDragon333 will become famous soon enough
no its a straight bolt in
Reply
Old Jun 18, 2003
  #14  
nightkids1's Avatar
Initial D!!!!
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,443
Likes: 0
From: Riverside, California, US
Rep Power: 0
nightkids1 is an unknown quantity at this point
Originally posted by djmota
I finished the install but havn't started it yet...i'm doing this all at work on my breaks.
here are some more pics
installed

there is another pic w/o the cai in the gallery. I'll take it off the jack stands, reset the ecu and start it later tonight.
thanks you so much for the newer pics man, i know i bugged alot.
anyways you need to come on down to the next meet so i can take a look at that in person.
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #15  
Grey's Avatar
DIY King
iTrader: (61)
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 11,469
Likes: 0
From: Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, US
Rep Power: 419
Grey has a spectacular aura aboutGrey has a spectacular aura about
The mounting plate is too gawd damned thick! They copied the OEM, but the OEM is plastic! How much does that thing weigh compared to the stock one?
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #16  
2k2civicRAY's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,205
Likes: 0
From: Simpsonville, South Carolina, US
Rep Power: 0
2k2civicRAY is an unknown quantity at this point
I wanna know what kinda gains you think you got from it!! then again I think we all do. Man that thing looks soo much better than the stock plastic manifold.
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #17  
djmota's Avatar
Premium Member
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
iTrader: (34)
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 3,242
Likes: 0
From: so cal djmota=oscar
Rep Power: 323
djmota is just really nicedjmota is just really nicedjmota is just really nicedjmota is just really nice
Originally posted by Grey
The mounting plate is too gawd damned thick! They copied the OEM, but the OEM is plastic! How much does that thing weigh compared to the stock one?

Well I thought of your ongoing wieght reduction obsession when I was doing the install and wieghed the stock one along with all the brackets and hardware that are not going to be used, against the KMS one... and I lost the paper that I wrote the results on But the difference was about 1.5 lbs KMS being heavier.

I drove home last night and was hoping to be able to "feel" the difference....... but I didn't
I thought that maybe my throttle cable needed to be adjusted to get wide open when the pedal was pushed all the way.... I gave it the brick on the accel pedal test and checked the throttle body....no adjustment needed
The car runs/idles fine and strong, but it just doesn't pull like I remember it.
I'll do G-tech runs with it this weekend and compare it to the runs I did before the install and see what I do or do not get.
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #18  
Grey's Avatar
DIY King
iTrader: (61)
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 11,469
Likes: 0
From: Shrewsbury, Massachusetts, US
Rep Power: 419
Grey has a spectacular aura aboutGrey has a spectacular aura about
OKay, 1.5 lbs isn't bad. Still though, lighter is better IMO. Maybe it doesn't pull as much since it's such a short runner length? The shorter the runner length the more power it will produce in the higher rpm's. You should see an improvement in the higher rpm's, but a decrease in the lower rpm's. If you usually drive within the lower rpm's, then you'll think it's slower. You need to dyno it to make sure though. That G-Tech meter is good I guess, but you need to set everything up the same way each time to get a good result. Good luck! I hope you gained some ponies... Then again, it's the E/T that matters most IMO. What good are ponies without the lower E/T?
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #19  
CapYoda's Avatar
Escaped Convict
iTrader: (30)
 
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 6,450
Likes: 0
From: Westminster, California, US
Rep Power: 368
CapYoda has a spectacular aura aboutCapYoda has a spectacular aura about
who cares about ET? lol.

and weight?

bah I say to both. heh... jk. sorta.

if this thing flows more and allows more hp/torque in the higher end.. its not for me then...

hopefully you get some results though.. at least a good shift of the poewrband upwards so when you do run that quarter mile or punch it.. you're doing it faster.

I care about the low end quite a bit. I hate having to rev to 4k just to get the car moving.

next car I get is a torque machine. so I dont have to be like grey and be so obessive about weight.
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #20  
R1Style's Avatar
up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-b-a-b-a-start
iTrader: (20)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 7,785
Likes: 0
From: London, Ontario, Canada
Rep Power: 370
R1Style is a glorious beacon of lightR1Style is a glorious beacon of lightR1Style is a glorious beacon of lightR1Style is a glorious beacon of lightR1Style is a glorious beacon of lightR1Style is a glorious beacon of lightR1Style is a glorious beacon of light
Originally posted by djmota

Well I thought of your ongoing wieght reduction obsession when I was doing the install and wieghed the stock one along with all the brackets and hardware that are not going to be used, against the KMS one... and I lost the paper that I wrote the results on But the difference was about 1.5 lbs KMS being heavier.

I drove home last night and was hoping to be able to "feel" the difference....... but I didn't
I thought that maybe my throttle cable needed to be adjusted to get wide open when the pedal was pushed all the way.... I gave it the brick on the accel pedal test and checked the throttle body....no adjustment needed
The car runs/idles fine and strong, but it just doesn't pull like I remember it.
I'll do G-tech runs with it this weekend and compare it to the runs I did before the install and see what I do or do not get.
Wow that's really disappointing to read.
I hope you gained something out of this. Let us know how the G-Tech runs do.
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #21  
2k2civicRAY's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,205
Likes: 0
From: Simpsonville, South Carolina, US
Rep Power: 0
2k2civicRAY is an unknown quantity at this point
I know, i thought you'd get a pretty good gain that you could feel. Maybe the computer has to adjust the extra airflow out. Hopefully your g-tech will show some improved numbers
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #22  
nightkids1's Avatar
Initial D!!!!
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,443
Likes: 0
From: Riverside, California, US
Rep Power: 0
nightkids1 is an unknown quantity at this point
Originally posted by 2k2civicRAY
Hopefully your g-tech will show some improved numbers
lets hope so.
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #23  
kjgracing's Avatar
Hail to the king baby
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,325
Likes: 0
From: NorCal
Rep Power: 315
kjgracing will become famous soon enoughkjgracing will become famous soon enough
yeah more low end torque = better 1/4 mile times

since most of the quickness of a 1/4 mile time is made in
the first 60 feet
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #24  
runner1738's Avatar
Premium Member
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 9,950
Likes: 0
From: San Diego, Ca
Rep Power: 383
runner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to all
you say its a straight bolt in does then mean it can be a DIY or should you take it somewhere for the install?
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #25  
RedDragon333's Avatar
Registered!!
iTrader: (4)
 
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 6,995
Likes: 0
From: Houston, Texas, US
Rep Power: 375
RedDragon333 will become famous soon enough
yea it can be a DIY, thats how he is installig it.
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #26  
5PEED EX's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 457
Likes: 0
From: Arlington Heights, Illinois
Rep Power: 0
5PEED EX is an unknown quantity at this point
I ordered mine today. I also had a question, is IM ready for nitrous, or do I need to drill/bore anything ? I'm not that informed on this IM that much. And also, do I need to tune the airflow once I put the IM on or ? I am planning to get my Cam Gear dyno-tuned as soon as I get it, I thought maybe I need to do something with IM also ?
Reply
Old Jun 19, 2003
  #27  
runner1738's Avatar
Premium Member
Hey! Look At Me!! I'm a Supporting Member!!
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 9,950
Likes: 0
From: San Diego, Ca
Rep Power: 383
runner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to allrunner1738 is a name known to all
I think the gains someone said are like 7whp, but Im still not decided on it,but if it is something that I can do myself then ill get it, since there arent any shops here. But with I/H/E and IM then we should actually feels gains right?
Reply
Old Jun 20, 2003
  #28  
cdmx's Avatar
Registered!!
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 8,838
Likes: 0
From: Charlotte, NC
Rep Power: 375
cdmx will become famous soon enoughcdmx will become famous soon enough
im a lil depressed...I was hoping for a..."OMG i love this thing my car is fast now!" :-P

Im just gonna get my Throttle body bored
Reply
Old Jun 20, 2003
  #29  
nightkids1's Avatar
Initial D!!!!
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 2,443
Likes: 0
From: Riverside, California, US
Rep Power: 0
nightkids1 is an unknown quantity at this point
Originally posted by cdmx
im a lil depressed...I was hoping for a..."OMG i love this thing my car is fast now!" :-P

yeah me to, but felling something and dynoing it to see numbers are differnt.
Reply
Old Jun 20, 2003
  #30  
GideoN's Avatar
Registered!!
 
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,067
Likes: 0
From: Houston, Texas
Rep Power: 0
GideoN is an unknown quantity at this point
Originally posted by cdmx
im a lil depressed...I was hoping for a..."OMG i love this thing my car is fast now!" :-P

Im just gonna get my Throttle body bored
I feel the same. Still waiting for others to install their's and their opinions.

RedDragon333: When you get yours, I would love to see it!
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:06 AM.