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Originally posted by taz757
Having an automatic isn't all that bad at all. And you can run the higher horsepower on an AT too. All you really have to do is get a "performace" torque convertor so the clutch plates don't start slipping on it. That's the only real problem you'll really need to worry about, other than getting a transmission cooler because that fluid is going to get hot.
Also, think about it this way - with an AT, you're pretty much running constant boost. You'll always be at WOT once you mash the peddle. With a MT, you have to take your foot off the gas and you loose all the boost pressure you just built up. Not such the case with AT. Main reason guys like MT is cause they like to hear the BOV pop between shifts. If you want a true sleeper, run an AT with turbo.
Having an automatic isn't all that bad at all. And you can run the higher horsepower on an AT too. All you really have to do is get a "performace" torque convertor so the clutch plates don't start slipping on it. That's the only real problem you'll really need to worry about, other than getting a transmission cooler because that fluid is going to get hot.
Also, think about it this way - with an AT, you're pretty much running constant boost. You'll always be at WOT once you mash the peddle. With a MT, you have to take your foot off the gas and you loose all the boost pressure you just built up. Not such the case with AT. Main reason guys like MT is cause they like to hear the BOV pop between shifts. If you want a true sleeper, run an AT with turbo.
Exectly! Nothing wrong with having boosted car with AT tranny. In whatever you do, there are always advantages and disadventeges.
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Rep Power: 0 Yo pheaton I totally feel for ya. Engine swaps are great, but me being a newbie frick I'd probably lose track of those essential engine parts that go along with the swap itself.
I was thinking of B18C1 into a 5th gen civic, but maybe i'll just pay a few more grand for a integra gs-r and rebuilt that engine slappin in supercharger or turbo instead? That way I can avoid the stress of finding a good B18C1 motor and tranny and parts. I dunno I'm probably missing out on the point of engine swaps in the first place?!
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I was thinking of B18C1 into a 5th gen civic, but maybe i'll just pay a few more grand for a integra gs-r and rebuilt that engine slappin in supercharger or turbo instead? That way I can avoid the stress of finding a good B18C1 motor and tranny and parts. I dunno I'm probably missing out on the point of engine swaps in the first place?!
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Rep Power: 0 Yo pheaton I totally feel for ya. Engine swaps are great, but me being a newbie frick I'd probably lose track of those essential engine parts that go along with the swap itself.
I was thinking of B18C1 into a 5th gen civic, but maybe i'll just pay a few more grand for a integra gs-r and rebuilt that engine slappin in supercharger or turbo instead? That way I can avoid the stress of finding a good B18C1 motor and tranny and parts. I dunno I'm probably missing out on the point of engine swaps in the first place?! newbies like me 
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I was thinking of B18C1 into a 5th gen civic, but maybe i'll just pay a few more grand for a integra gs-r and rebuilt that engine slappin in supercharger or turbo instead? That way I can avoid the stress of finding a good B18C1 motor and tranny and parts. I dunno I'm probably missing out on the point of engine swaps in the first place?!
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Rep Power: 0 Originally posted by taz757
Plates. Bands. WTF ever. I used it as a "reference point" to convey a point. That point is that you'd still need to get a better torque convertor to actually handle all the extra boost that you're going to be putting behind it to actually convert the power to the wheels to get it to the street. If you do not do this, the BANDS cannot withstand the extra torque put on them and will start to slip. This is the same principal as replacing the clutch plate on a 5 speed.
Plates. Bands. WTF ever. I used it as a "reference point" to convey a point. That point is that you'd still need to get a better torque convertor to actually handle all the extra boost that you're going to be putting behind it to actually convert the power to the wheels to get it to the street. If you do not do this, the BANDS cannot withstand the extra torque put on them and will start to slip. This is the same principal as replacing the clutch plate on a 5 speed.
your basic point that the torque converter should be changed is good, but if you're going to make a basic point, keep it basic.
the misinformation that abounds on this board is not only problematic, it's dangerous.
how would you like it if you read a post like that, and then spent big bucks turbocharging your AT, and getting a nice T.C. and then ripping all your clutch bands apart and having to rebuild it, spending two times as much on the labor, then if you had done it right to begin with?
sorry for flaming you... it was inappropriate
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Well. A new engine, or swap would be sweet, but seriously not necessary. I mean it's a few more horsies, but a lot more work. This is just my opinion I'm not going to list side by side the pros and cons again, but you have to remember pulling an entire engine out and trying to get another one in correctly seems like bit more work than just redoing the top half of the engine and slapping on a turbo with a big honkin' boost. Again, fixing up our stock motors will be less power than some other engines, but it's a Civic, 200 - 250 horsies is a darn quick Civic, throw a shot of Nitrous on there, and there are going to be a lot of big dogs really struggling to keep up with you. Anyways. Just my opinion, no facts here.
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No im not...thats why i am sayin that my swap is costing me close to 5 grand...my motor was $3800, and then i have about a grand to spend on other stuff. The subframe came with my motor, so did the axels from a 97 LS integra. Im keepin the 4 lug, so i dont need that other stuff.
Rad. $200
Mounts $550
Intake $150
Acura dealership ECU program..i dont know, but it shouldnt be too much for 10 min of work
Install is free
No im not...thats why i am sayin that my swap is costing me close to 5 grand...my motor was $3800, and then i have about a grand to spend on other stuff. The subframe came with my motor, so did the axels from a 97 LS integra. Im keepin the 4 lug, so i dont need that other stuff.
Rad. $200
Mounts $550
Intake $150
Acura dealership ECU program..i dont know, but it shouldnt be too much for 10 min of work
Install is free
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Rep Power: 292 make sure you don't cheap out on swap parts (ie. radiator, axles)
If you plan it right, like supercharging make sure you have adequate cooling, proper axles for increase horsepower, since the RSX Type S has an open differential you don't want 200 to 300 horse to one axle, SNAP!!!
It is all about the plan (getting the right parts) and then execution (swapping the engine) for flawless results and unforseen, costly mistakes
If you plan it right, like supercharging make sure you have adequate cooling, proper axles for increase horsepower, since the RSX Type S has an open differential you don't want 200 to 300 horse to one axle, SNAP!!!
It is all about the plan (getting the right parts) and then execution (swapping the engine) for flawless results and unforseen, costly mistakes
NoBottleJustThrottle - where did you get your radiator from? is it an oe rsx-s one? or did you use another, cause my radiator from honda for an rsx-s costed a lot more than 200 dollars....
as far as needing rsx-s keys recut, you don't have to do that. you just have to get a new immobilizer if you have a 2001 civic, if you have a 2002 you don't have to (same one as in the rsx-s or rsx), then all they do is reflash the immobilizer, along with your civic key to match the rsx ecu....costed me about 40 dollars....
for people who have hasport mounts, could any of you post a pic. i've seen the civic on hondawerx.com, and it is awesome that he has a k20a in his civic, but the hasport kit doesn't look very clean.....looks like they just rushed the product to get something out (even though it took them a while to release it)
as far as swap...why not swap? granted there are benefits both ways...just which ever is more fesable for that person...for real, when i had my swap completed i couldn't stop smiling, and with injen sri, hondata IM gasket, k20a IM, civic dc twin can, toda spec a's, toda valve springs, skunk 2 ti retainers, toda ecu reflash, i can keep up with pretty much anything that comes beside me... it's all about the person and what you really want to do...want to swap, swap, if you don't don't.
not flaming, or trying to start anything...just commenting.
as far as needing rsx-s keys recut, you don't have to do that. you just have to get a new immobilizer if you have a 2001 civic, if you have a 2002 you don't have to (same one as in the rsx-s or rsx), then all they do is reflash the immobilizer, along with your civic key to match the rsx ecu....costed me about 40 dollars....
for people who have hasport mounts, could any of you post a pic. i've seen the civic on hondawerx.com, and it is awesome that he has a k20a in his civic, but the hasport kit doesn't look very clean.....looks like they just rushed the product to get something out (even though it took them a while to release it)
as far as swap...why not swap? granted there are benefits both ways...just which ever is more fesable for that person...for real, when i had my swap completed i couldn't stop smiling, and with injen sri, hondata IM gasket, k20a IM, civic dc twin can, toda spec a's, toda valve springs, skunk 2 ti retainers, toda ecu reflash, i can keep up with pretty much anything that comes beside me... it's all about the person and what you really want to do...want to swap, swap, if you don't don't.
not flaming, or trying to start anything...just commenting.
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If you plan on doin a k20 swap, make sure you have EVERYTHING you need. I strongly recommend not doing if you don't have a RSX doner. Theres a lot of little things i needed to take of my RSX that i originally didn't even think of. Some might not have been nessesary (clutch lines, clutch master cylinder, slave), but i had um so i did it. But the shifter cables, ac lines, power steering lines, brakets, catalitic converter, all would have to be bought if you don't have a car.
So far i have about 6700 tied into my car. And that should be it.
And another thing. Those instructions that Hasport gives you with the mounts, chuck'em out. We had to modify the crap out of the brakets to make the mounts fit. Cut into the inner fender well, make the holes bigger on the driver side mount. Its not fun, and getting the motor to actually get in to place aint much fun either, but the quality of the mounts are great, the fit was just not good, for me at least.
If you plan on doin a k20 swap, make sure you have EVERYTHING you need. I strongly recommend not doing if you don't have a RSX doner. Theres a lot of little things i needed to take of my RSX that i originally didn't even think of. Some might not have been nessesary (clutch lines, clutch master cylinder, slave), but i had um so i did it. But the shifter cables, ac lines, power steering lines, brakets, catalitic converter, all would have to be bought if you don't have a car.
So far i have about 6700 tied into my car. And that should be it.
And another thing. Those instructions that Hasport gives you with the mounts, chuck'em out. We had to modify the crap out of the brakets to make the mounts fit. Cut into the inner fender well, make the holes bigger on the driver side mount. Its not fun, and getting the motor to actually get in to place aint much fun either, but the quality of the mounts are great, the fit was just not good, for me at least.
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Rep Power: 0 Thx for the input everone but noting's going to change my mind about the swap. My D17 currently has 38000 miles and I've been beating the hell out of it. This K20A2 swap will happen by the end of next summer. Hey Hawk, are you planning on turboing your car after the swap?
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Thx for the input everone but noting's going to change my mind about the swap. My D17 currently has 38000 miles and I've been beating the hell out of it. This K20A2 swap will happen by the end of next summer. Hey Hawk, are you planning on turboing your car after the swap?
Thx for the input everone but noting's going to change my mind about the swap. My D17 currently has 38000 miles and I've been beating the hell out of it. This K20A2 swap will happen by the end of next summer. Hey Hawk, are you planning on turboing your car after the swap?
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with a DOHC motor N/A is a option. which is what i plan to do. I'm probably never gonna even run my car at a drag strip, road course/auto cross only.
with a DOHC motor N/A is a option. which is what i plan to do. I'm probably never gonna even run my car at a drag strip, road course/auto cross only.
Lot's of great info about the AT/MT and K20 swap/built up D17. But I still think I want to do a swap. I mean, I want a manual no matter what. So I might as well do a swap. Nothing against AT though.
i got a 2003 Si radiator from my buddy at a performance shop...he has hookups...
I got everything else (motor, axels, subframe...) all from an EBay auction.
Ok, about the immobilizer thing with a 2001 civic...i just got off the phone with HASport, they said that if you have a 2001 civic, you dont need a 2002 immobilizer unit, Honda should be able to program it all together no matter what. He said thats just what they did initially with their 2001 civic. I asked him just to make sure "so, if i have a 2001 civic, with a 2002 motor, all i need is my keys, and the motor in the car with the stock ECU, and Honda can program it all?" he said "yes".
I got everything else (motor, axels, subframe...) all from an EBay auction.
Ok, about the immobilizer thing with a 2001 civic...i just got off the phone with HASport, they said that if you have a 2001 civic, you dont need a 2002 immobilizer unit, Honda should be able to program it all together no matter what. He said thats just what they did initially with their 2001 civic. I asked him just to make sure "so, if i have a 2001 civic, with a 2002 motor, all i need is my keys, and the motor in the car with the stock ECU, and Honda can program it all?" he said "yes".
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Rep Power: 0 man, I keep bouncing back and forth between this k20 swap (which seems to be more than I want to spend right now) or turbo (which is priced about right and far less work). maybe by the time I save up enough for the turbo kit i will be able instead, to get a k20 for about the same price :::hopes::: just dont know
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Rep Power: 0 There is literally a list of reasons why I chose my 03 civic coupe. Gas mileage, reliability, good looks (IMO), the Honda Brandname (my 4th Honda in a row), traditionaly generous aftermarket attention, it's a Lightweight vehicle, and on and on.... Somewhere on that list is the K20 swap. I may never do it, but the fact that I can influenced my decision. This car will absolutely fly with that engine.
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when i talked to hasport in november while i was doing my swap, the reason they didn't have to have an immobilizer change was because they had a mugen ecu, which doesn't have an immobilizer setup in it. the civic immobilier uses a mulitplex unit, the rsx-s doesn't. they're different.
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when i talked to hasport in november while i was doing my swap, the reason they didn't have to have an immobilizer change was because they had a mugen ecu, which doesn't have an immobilizer setup in it. the civic immobilier uses a mulitplex unit, the rsx-s doesn't. they're different.
when i talked to hasport in november while i was doing my swap, the reason they didn't have to have an immobilizer change was because they had a mugen ecu, which doesn't have an immobilizer setup in it. the civic immobilier uses a mulitplex unit, the rsx-s doesn't. they're different.
sorry man, i switched them. thank you for correcting, already have it (the manual), but been a while since i had to recall... the 2002 + civics use the same immobilizer unit as an rsx, 2001 doesn't...just what i'm trying to get across to people...cause i tried everything to bypass it, i even tried to run the civic ecu and the rsx-s ecu at the same time, you can bypass the immobilizer unit, but you wont be able to bypass the rsx-s ecu this way, tried taking it out all together (immobilizer) and nope, still wouldn't start... and it costed me a towing fee bringing my vehicle back from honda, cause hasport told me the same thing they told notbottlejustthrottle, i even talked to the two dealerships that helped with hasports swap...they even said that because they have the mugen ecu, they can just use the 2001 immobilizer unit....
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When i first got my RSX we wanted to make sure the motor ran, the problem was i didn't have the RSX's key. We eventually were to the point where the entire RSX's immbolizer was torn out, and it still wouldn't start. So i finally gave up and just ripped the motor out.
I should be having my first test run on the Civic ECU by the weekend. Then i'm off to honda. Hopefully they give me no problems.
When i first got my RSX we wanted to make sure the motor ran, the problem was i didn't have the RSX's key. We eventually were to the point where the entire RSX's immbolizer was torn out, and it still wouldn't start. So i finally gave up and just ripped the motor out.
I should be having my first test run on the Civic ECU by the weekend. Then i'm off to honda. Hopefully they give me no problems.
yeah, the first time mine ever started was with the civic ecu, key, and immobilizer, just wait until it does start...you're going to be like oh my god in just went to heaven....good luck to you!
yeah, i've had mine done for a while now. wait until you start pulling away from si's (new and old), tegs, mustangs, celicas, preludes....all kinds man...then you pop your hood for them....and they give you that look like DAMN...or HOLY ****....it's great man...like i said before, you'll be in heaven...
here's some pics...
http://figz.com/~deters/photos/index...0531%20035.jpg
http://figz.com/~deters/photos/index...0531%20036.jpg
here's some pics...
http://figz.com/~deters/photos/index...0531%20035.jpg
http://figz.com/~deters/photos/index...0531%20036.jpg
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Rep Power: 344 Originally posted by whitevic
yeah, i've had mine done for a while now. wait until you start pulling away from si's (new and old), tegs, mustangs, celicas, preludes....all kinds man...then you pop your hood for them....and they give you that look like DAMN...or HOLY ****....it's great man...like i said before, you'll be in heaven...
here's some pics...
http://figz.com/~deters/photos/index...0531%20035.jpg
http://figz.com/~deters/photos/index...0531%20036.jpg
yeah, i've had mine done for a while now. wait until you start pulling away from si's (new and old), tegs, mustangs, celicas, preludes....all kinds man...then you pop your hood for them....and they give you that look like DAMN...or HOLY ****....it's great man...like i said before, you'll be in heaven...
here's some pics...
http://figz.com/~deters/photos/index...0531%20035.jpg
http://figz.com/~deters/photos/index...0531%20036.jpg
very nice ride man, congrats
cant wait to join the club.
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Originally posted by whitevic
...then you pop your hood for them....and they give you that look like DAMN...or HOLY ****....it's great man...like i said before, you'll be in heaven...
...then you pop your hood for them....and they give you that look like DAMN...or HOLY ****....it's great man...like i said before, you'll be in heaven...
I didn't know it was possible to relocate your battery to the driver's side of the engine bay. How did you do that?
By the way, the swap looks sweet! And it's a K20A!
the unit from honda in MN was 140 dollars...then if you can't install it, labor for them also.
yes, they are volks, i did the 5 lug conversion and rear brake swap as well, and needed new rims, so i decided to go all out...
it's not a k20a, it's an a2, but i put the toda package in it, so i put on the valve cover...
my battery was pretty easy, i used rsx-s mounts, along with the mounting brackets out of an rsx-s ( took out the civic mounting brackets for them to fit, welded/bolted the rsx-s ones in), along with rsx- radiator, overflow, fans....i didn't use older honda parts, wanted it to be either 2001 civic, or 2002 rsx-s
yes, they are volks, i did the 5 lug conversion and rear brake swap as well, and needed new rims, so i decided to go all out...
it's not a k20a, it's an a2, but i put the toda package in it, so i put on the valve cover...
my battery was pretty easy, i used rsx-s mounts, along with the mounting brackets out of an rsx-s ( took out the civic mounting brackets for them to fit, welded/bolted the rsx-s ones in), along with rsx- radiator, overflow, fans....i didn't use older honda parts, wanted it to be either 2001 civic, or 2002 rsx-s
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the unit from honda in MN was 140 dollars...then if you can't install it, labor for them also.
yes, they are volks, i did the 5 lug conversion and rear brake swap as well, and needed new rims, so i decided to go all out...
the unit from honda in MN was 140 dollars...then if you can't install it, labor for them also.
yes, they are volks, i did the 5 lug conversion and rear brake swap as well, and needed new rims, so i decided to go all out...
