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Besides having an ugly black spoiler on your car, what's the best way to get down force on the back and the front of the car. I've seen rear under the car products that create down force, does anyone now where to get these for our cars? I've also seen canards for the front that most people say it's for show, is there anything out there that actually works? or that is universal i can mold into my car? I've notice that when i have weight on the car it rides much better than when it's light, specially now that i have teins ss and sportmax rims with low pro tires.

Thanks guys

 
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unless you're going 150+ mph, you really dont need downforce. it decreases gas mileage and power.

 
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this is true, in a street car downforce is negligable enough to ignore it.

 
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Not to mention you drive a FWD car, so downforce on the rear of the car doesn't help your grip at high speeds.. if anything it hurts it by forcing the car to raise a bit in the front.

Wings on FWD cars = teh retarded. Especially srt4 wings, wtf?

That being said, I plan on getting the oem wing and throwing it on. How do you like your hypocrisy, sir?

 
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This is true BUT!
This is just for converstional purposes.
If you don't have any down force in the rear it will try to step out on you. This would be bad.
Our vics don't need any more down force than they already have, unless as previously stated you are WAY in the triple digit range.

 
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if you are looking for downforce products look at some of the touring cars like the rsx neon and the cobalts. for all of you that say he doesn't need it have you watched the speed channel when they are showing the tourig cars hat are fwd. they have wings canard and under spoilers. but again that is on a race track.

 
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thanks for the person who neg rep me. that is why some of the top 7thgen guy never come here no more because of dumbass.

back on topic but if you want to get down force products you might have to make your own. if you look on fab site you can learn how to make some of the items you need

 
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before doing this kinda stuff, you really should look into how much aerodynamics testing goes into the design of your car. By putting on a wing, you are basically destroying what honda has spent tons of time in R&D. For aero stuff to really work, youre gonna need pretty specific parts.

take for example, if your car has perfect 50/50 balance and weights one ton. If you add only a wing to the rear that gives 100lbs of df in the rear at 60mph, then you just threw off the balance from 1000/1000 to 1000/1100. that may not seem like a lot, but this alone will move the center of balance by about 3%, now giving you 47/53 balance.

You can see how this quickly can become complicated, and without a windtunnel to check everything, you are likely gonna do more bad than good.

 
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but does honda take this into thought when they manufactured rear spoilers and lip kits as optional accessories? i mean im sure they throw off the "balance" when added to the car, but i guess what im trying to say is would honda really sell these accessories just to throw off the "balance" they worked so hard to perfect? or do they know that these things will have little to no effect on the "performance/balance" of our cars? idk just thinking

 
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I would say an oem wing and front lip arent really going to do anything....they wont create downforce maybe a little drag but not downforce.

 
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Rent a wind tunnel and play with stuff. Youd have to be going so fast to need more, I cant see how too many off the shelf parts would help. Most of them arent designed to do anything of functional use.
In general, splitters put downforce on the front, but if it works right, you'll need to tie it into something other than the bumper cover, and the ricer wings have been proven to be useless under about 97 mph.

 
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I have a giant Carbon fiber spoiler on my trunk, and I love it. People might say that you can never go fast enough in a street car to benefit from it, but I'm guessing that they never had personal experience. I've had a great deal of personal experience with wings and junk. Because I also have TEIN coilovers, the ride is pretty bouncy on the free way and in areas of high speed limits, yes out here there are 50mph zones. If you get a wing on the back of that car, the ride quality is improved by stabilizing the car at those speeds. It's ok if you don't believe me, I know the truth because I've driven the same roads with and without that wing.
Getting back to the point of this post, there are a lot of products out there that are manufactured to aid in reduction of turbulence which decreases lift.
Varis makes a fine example: http://www.varis.co.jp/japanese/rear/diffuser.html
Products such as wings and diffuser are not designed in mind to CREATE downforce, but rather to COMBAT lift.
There are all kinds of front bumper canards you can get which are universal, no molding required, for show? Yes. Do they actually work, yes they do. Remember, air is still air even when it's moving, when you deflect that air off of any given surface, it creates an opposite but equal reaction. Newton's third law tells us this. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion) Action = air deflection off of canard, reaction = canard being forced in opposite direction of air deflection.
Here's another picture of a 350z with vertical type splitters in the front:
http://www.varis.co.jp/japanese/extr...33/z33a2w1.jpg

The point I'm trying to get at is that you might not utilize the parts every second of every day, but if you buy the real ones, then they are functional.

But keep in mind, when you have a daily driver. Most of the car parts you install are useless anyways, who needs lightweight rims or big exhausts, your car still gets you from A to B

 
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yea i guess..i mean im sure the "right" parts or the "best parts" have had R&D with their specific cars and probably do, do something. even if its something liek auto-x where they wont be topping 120+ im sure theyre still functional. however. this kid has a 7th gen..we all do. i dont thin kthey make these super R&D products for our cars. any kind that u do find, im sure they havnt done enough to work to make them do something functional. so ud basically be getting them for looks more than function. waste of money IMO cuz theyre not always cool looking

 
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point blank he has to make his own parts if he is going add downforce or have some one make parts for him.
but on the body kit and spoilers, only a few companys actually test there items. there was a article in modified that they were talking about aero part and what it takes to design and make them.

 
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put a fat bitch in the car and u got all the downforce u need lol

 
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I've got to say, the only car that I've driven that have actually shown improvements because of the added downforce of a wing, was an STi. That car, being FWD biased, needs downforce in the rear at high speeds to help stabalize it. I have never been in any fwd car that you could tell a difference in with and without a wing. This includes a boosted 00 si @ 115 mph.. no difference either way. NOW, I would agree 100% if the car was fitted with canards (I think that's what they're called) and splitters in the front as well as that wing in the back, and if they had been tested to improve stability while not effecting the balance of the car itself, but I doubt wings west (or any other company for that matter) is going to go through the trouble of doing all of this.

I'm not trying to step on Eyger's feet or anything, but I just don't think there is any true functional application for a big *** wing on a fwd daily driven car. Sure it might help stabalize the car at high speeds, but what is it doing at regular highway speeds? Creating drag which decreases gas mileage? Also, if you don't have the canards/splitters up front then what are you really doing? You're creating downforce away from the wheels of the car that you control the car with.. IDK man, I've never really investigated or researched this or anything, this is just how I see it.

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Also, in reply to eyger's last comment.. Light weight rims and such (intake/exhaust) can actually be benificial to a daily driven car. The more pressure that you free up the less your motor has to work, the less it has to work the easier it is to produce power which most of the time will cause better gas mileage (if the person with these parts on their car doesn't drive like a retard). Not to mention the less weight that you have to pull, the better gas mileage you will get.

Again, I'm not an expert or anything.. but it just seems that this would be common sense.

 
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im gonna assume that was a joke, but if not, do you have any idea what that would cost. Race teams spend millions a year in the tunnel. you dont just sign up and bring your car to a tunnel...

As for the rear spoilers, in most cases it is nothing more than a light bar, with the exception of the 8th gen si, where the wing actually reduces drag (no, that is not a typo, it does not increase drag like most do). The lip kits are 100% cosmetic.

 
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point blank?? no man not point blank. thats way off.

POINT BLANK is he doesnt need to spend money on this to make downforce on his car. For other cars, sure that might help, and he wouldnt need to make them because somebody out there would already have them made. the reason nobody has spent the time to make this, is cuz its a waste and he's not going to benefit from it for any reason wat so ever. thats the point.

 
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^^^^Do I sense tone in this post? Hmmmmm

 
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this thread is going to get out of hand. locked. point to this thread:
you don't need downforce parts.