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wait, wouldnt we have to further strengthen the internals if we put this on?? like pistons, rods, seals, and all that crap?

aaaaaannnndddd, for about the same price to buy, install, reinforce all that crap, you can (somehow) drop in a DOHC. and you'l have the same power STOCK.
my $.02

 
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No... where you gonna find a DOHC for around 3000 with labor included?

 
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I'm gonna start saving up for that. I think it's an awesome investment.

 
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1600 isn't bad at all for that kind of modification. I would just be worried about reliability. I currently have 1200miles on my civic. I think I'll wait for my warranty to expire before I do this. I am definately in if it proves to be reliable and meet the claims they make.

 
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Id rather go to a local reputable shop, get some re-grinds, and do it right. This seems like a bit of a scam. Has anyone else heard of mis-matching the intake and head ports?? WTF?? You are supposed to port match! Not mis-match!?!?

 
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<< Id rather go to a local reputable shop, get some re-grinds, and do it right. This seems like a bit of a scam. Has anyone else heard of mis-matching the intake and head ports?? WTF?? You are supposed to port match! Not mis-match!?!? >>



Heck, I wouldn't have the slightest clue. Seems like they would try several ways and see which produces the best results. The price is reasonable because they are getting your stock parts. Then, they take yours and mod it, and turn around and sell it to someone else. Keeps their cost down, and within reaching distance for us.

 
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no way in hell I would send a complete head!!
They say they put in a new cam, they dont need my stock one then.
they probably just re-grind the cam! And use stock stuff, half the ppl wouldnt even notice any difference.

 
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Black2k1vtec, don't be so negative. I'm sure this will work and works good. Like everyone else has been saying on here that we need to see some dyno results b4 we spend that kinda cash, I have also heard from some people on this site that Jun has some cams and some other internal parts in the works. So if u got the gude head and some of the jun internal work u could really put some power out.

 
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I like Black2k1vtec's paranoia. We have to scrutanize the product and make sure it is exactly what it's supposed to be. I don't know about you guys, but I don't have 1600 bucks to throw away.

 
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HMMMM..didn't realize this was a spelling "B"!!!!!...lets not make smart comments please..[IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]...ok moving on with the info...Peace!

 
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I may be new to this board but not to start anything but I think for just a complete head upgrade 13's might be off. I can see low 15's high 14's but if someone has it and can prove me wrong.......more power to ya. It's a great buy for that much money.

 
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<< someone needs to be introduced to spell checker[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG] >>



Oops! Thought I was on a civic forum, not in HS english class! [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

 
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Has anyone called and confirmed that this is for the d17?????............I remember this site like
4 months aago and it listed for the 01 civic but it wasnt..........]
cause they put the 2k1 in a class w/ the 00........hmmmm something doesnt sound right????
anyone call????
anyway hope its true......Finally.....
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OK,,,I CALLED THEM,,,,,they said, yep its for the d17a...01 civic sohc.........

Will someone please do this......

 
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Gude's reputable, but if they give you a new cam then obviously they shouldnt take your stock one..

and btw, that SEMA Civic with the supposed 170hp could have been complete BS, so using that as a frame of reference is entirely speculation. i'd like to see a dyno sheet before i believe those numbers. yes i saw the photos, and yes i saw the mod list, but i didn't see anything to back proof that the car performed that well, it was simply a heavily modded show car. for all we know, it could have produced 2hp more than stock, who's to say it still doesn't?

 
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They just re-grind your stock cam. And a company that cant even spell properly?? I wouldnt want them touching my engine.

 
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I was also told by someone that they rip you off and don't even compensate your for your returned parts. I would be skeptical too, unless I saw it on a car and a dyno. It isn't even made specifically for our engines but for SOHCs.

 
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There are some annoying people here. Does anyone have a degree in Mechanical Engineering or such. How would anyone know what the hell there talking about when probably they have not even taken physics or any technical class.

Before you bash, you should do your own research. For example, when they said that the package has pushed sohc engines into the 13's, anyone with any knowledge would probably realize that the engine OBVIOUSLY does not just have that mod.

Everyone should just go with it and see what happens. I am going to research the company. If this company is legit, they are probably not famous because they do not make 40 HP stickers and wings. They are all about REAL HP. Not CAI/H/E. I mean come on give them a chance. Greddy, DC sports, etc. aren't even taking the time to look at our cars. Meaning they are not producing real HP products for our cars. Do you think that CAI/H/E really give us HP. Take off those mods and see what you get. The same old 127hp/117tq. I bet there is people on this forum that do not even know what VTEC is or does. HAHA! Half the people can't even due there own work. And they claim to be import enthusiasts.

thats my opinion.

 
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For those who don't think you can get some serious horsepower with mostly internal modd, how do you think they get 800 HP by starting with a stock block, normally aspirated engine for NASCAR cars? If they can do that, the there is no reason you couldn't get 170 HP out of a 1.7 L Honda engine and still have a streetable car.

 
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<< They just re-grind your stock cam. And a company that cant even spell properly?? I wouldnt want them touching my engine. >>



For those who don't think you can get some serious horsepower with mostly internal modd, how do you think they get 800 HP by starting with a stock block, normally aspirated engine for NASCAR cars?

Not to say yay or nay for this company, but the mods they list should do a good job. As for spelling or typos, some of the speed geniuses I know can't read or write so good, but they know how to make engines run.

As for the compsation for your parts, I believe the ad says "exchange". That always means that they send you the modified parts and you install them, and return your stock parts for them. It's a trade, where you pay for the mods. It the same as if you took your car to them and they did the mods to your parts while you waited a week or so. Most major parts are sold on an "exchange" basis. That's standard parts biz.

 
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to SPEED
MORON!

 
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<< For those who don't think you can get some serious horsepower with mostly internal modd, how do you think they get 800 HP by starting with a stock block, normally aspirated engine for NASCAR cars? If they can do that, the there is no reason you couldn't get 170 HP out of a 1.7 L Honda engine and still have a streetable car. >>



Not to nitpick or anything, but NASCAR engines are actually pushing about 375-400 at the wheels.

 
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Here is the really cool part about all this:

I have read through all the posts, 5 or 6 pages of them now, and guess what, we still don't have any proof that spending 1600 dollars will give us the gaines we need.

No dyno, no gaurentee, no feedback from the actual shop, and a post from a guy that we have never met, never seen, and probably never will see, who is making the claims.

Before things like this are advertised on the board, maybe some hardcore research should be done to verify that the claims on a website are true.

I am not putting my John Hancock on a check for 1600 dollars until I see some real world, verifyable results.....and that applies to all advertised products, not just car parts. That is what pisses me off the most about message boards....

80% bull$hit, 20% fact.

L8TR

 
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<< If they can do that, the there is no reason you couldn't get 170 HP out of a 1.7 L Honda engine and still have a streetable car. >>



i got two words for ya, prove it. oh yeah two more for ya, dyno sheet. hehe

 
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Whats up, I sent gude an email about their head package and they sent me all that info about the price and pictures etc. They also sent this... Dyno test Honda civic 1.6 s.o.h.c. stock 96 hp torque 99 ft pounds with head package 144/147 hp 118/119 ft pounds ford zetec 2.0 zx2 zx3 107 hp torque 111 stock head pack with long Gude he 1 hp tq. 163 both are daily drivers with great gas mileage. I sent an email today about dyno sheets on a 1.7 SOHC 01-02 Civic and told them if they could prove it, then they would have a boost in business from Civic owners on this message board. I also asked about that concept car someone was talking about to see if they knew something about it. Ill keep you guys posted when I get a message from them.

 
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First of all stop it with 50 posts saying you need proof an dyno reslults..... 1 or 2 is enough... I know everyone has an opinion.. but if your opinion has already been stated by someone else... peps dont need to read 5 pages of the same sh*t... I'm looking for hard facts.. an I thank peps like 2002 dx

dynos are nice.... but they can still be faked and are untrustworthy cause whos to say they dynoed it stock with only the engine upgrades.... an if your waiting for a third party to do it.. whos to say the third party .. possibly someone on the forum.. dosnt work for gude.....

if you are that skeptical about it... the only real way you'll know if they are for real is by talking to them and having them write you up a qurrantee.. if they cant quarruntee you atleast 25 hp gain.... seeing as they claim upwards of 50....(30 the min I'd want for that type of money) or they cant querrantee you something that will make the purchase worth it in your mind.... then dont do it....

even if I'd only get half the power the claim... I'd be happy

I'm gonna get the ball rolling by emailing them... and asking them about a qurrantee myself.. and will let them know that if they can do that then they will have I'd say atleast 30 peps willing to do this.. an more upon ours being a success and see what they do..... if they arent interested in that amount of business enough to qurantee us somethin.. then they are f*ckin idiots an I'm not gonna give 1600 to a f*ckin idiot

 
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AlphaInfinity


But plenty guys will put $500 in a catback, $200 in an intake, $1500 and up in big wheels, etc and what do they have? A still slow, but loud Civic.

 
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nrrhgreg


" Not to nitpick or anything, but NASCAR engines are actually pushing about 375-400 at the wheels. "

I don't think so man. No way 400 HP is gonna take a car that size to 200 MPH.

And I seriously doubt those cars are losing half their horses from the flywheel to the rear wheels.

NASCAR

Winston Cup

 
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HERE'S THE STORY ON HEADS AND PORTING FROM SOME PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE CONSIDERED EXPERTS.

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The Heartbeat of The Engine
There are many tricks of the trade that will make a race car engine gain more horsepower. But perhaps one of the most difficult, and most secretive, is cylinder head porting.

"The cylinder head port is the heartbeat of the engine," says Greg Jones, design engineer at RCR. "It is pivotal to the success of the car. Except for the cam shaft, cylinder head porting is the most guarded secret in an engine department."

Cylinder head ports allow air and fuel to travel through the cylinders. The more cylinders there are in a car, the more power it has. Cylinder head porting is when engineers reshape the ports to improve efficiency by removing flaws that come from the factory. It also reduces restrictions in the engine's intake and exhaust tracts, allowing more air and fuel into the cylinders, thus increasing horsepower.

The cylinder head porting process is so intricate and complex that it takes a true craftsman with a lot of patience to get it right. In NASCAR, teams use different cylinder heads for different racetracks. Some tracks are faster than others, some are longer. Some tracks fall under NASCAR's restrictor plate rule, which makes the cylinder head ports even more important for increased horsepower."



High-Tech Research and Design Lab Revs Up NASCAR Team's Engines

 
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Let's face it people.....

We drive Civics, not lambo's. You can get your car to go fast yes, but your goin to be puttin out more then 1600 to hit 13