KMS Manifold DynoTune Results....
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Everyone was defending John from KMS because he has been known to provide great custom products....It just seems to me that he can't provide any results for our cars...I'm not defending him, but I'm not saying he is a crook either...I'm waiting for him to call me back so we can talk and see what we can do to make things right...As for the DH manifold, I'm telling you, you better make sure that this thing can do what Josh is promising before you shell out $400+ and $325 for the side mounted TB and not to mention having a custom intake or cutting the one you have to make it work... I would hate for someone to pay $800 dollars and end up dissapointed like I was. We need him to dyno and post the results. I'm just trying to help everyone, I don't need some punk *** reminding us all that the manifold is crap!!!! We have established that already 
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so ....lets see my next performance mod will be hmmm throwing that freakin manifold in the trash.
or selling it cheap for the FI guys.
thanks cwick187 for the dyno and proof that the design is flawed.
I can't wait to hear what john has to say.
also what setting is your cam gear at??
so ....lets see my next performance mod will be hmmm throwing that freakin manifold in the trash.
or selling it cheap for the FI guys. thanks cwick187 for the dyno and proof that the design is flawed.
I can't wait to hear what john has to say.
also what setting is your cam gear at??
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This is one point that I am gonna have to disagree with you on. My car stock made 105hp to the wheels. When I added intake and exhaust, it made 116.87 hp. I'm sure exhaust has to help some.
This is one point that I am gonna have to disagree with you on. My car stock made 105hp to the wheels. When I added intake and exhaust, it made 116.87 hp. I'm sure exhaust has to help some.
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Rep Power: 375 Ive talked with John and hes not really willing to do anyhting aside from look at a dyno sheet and tell us whats going on. He said hes willing to look but anything close to a refund is outta the question./ Ive talked to him numerous times and i can tell he knows his **** is just that. He blamed my perfrmance on my cam gear which was set to the same as Cwicks since ive been following his lead since our setups seem to be similar. So maybe once he sees the same thing he might be willing to do something. Keep me posted.
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Ive talked with John and hes not really willing to do anyhting aside from look at a dyno sheet and tell us whats going on. He said hes willing to look but anything close to a refund is outta the question./ Ive talked to him numerous times and i can tell he knows his **** is just that. He blamed my perfrmance on my cam gear which was set to the same as Cwicks since ive been following his lead since our setups seem to be similar. So maybe once he sees the same thing he might be willing to do something. Keep me posted.
Ive talked with John and hes not really willing to do anyhting aside from look at a dyno sheet and tell us whats going on. He said hes willing to look but anything close to a refund is outta the question./ Ive talked to him numerous times and i can tell he knows his **** is just that. He blamed my perfrmance on my cam gear which was set to the same as Cwicks since ive been following his lead since our setups seem to be similar. So maybe once he sees the same thing he might be willing to do something. Keep me posted.
Customer service has to be pressed for nowadays - not too many companies seem to want to support their products, which is plain bullshit.
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Ive talked with John and hes not really willing to do anyhting aside from look at a dyno sheet and tell us whats going on. He said hes willing to look but anything close to a refund is outta the question./ Ive talked to him numerous times and i can tell he knows his **** is just that. He blamed my perfrmance on my cam gear which was set to the same as Cwicks since ive been following his lead since our setups seem to be similar. So maybe once he sees the same thing he might be willing to do something. Keep me posted.
Ive talked with John and hes not really willing to do anyhting aside from look at a dyno sheet and tell us whats going on. He said hes willing to look but anything close to a refund is outta the question./ Ive talked to him numerous times and i can tell he knows his **** is just that. He blamed my perfrmance on my cam gear which was set to the same as Cwicks since ive been following his lead since our setups seem to be similar. So maybe once he sees the same thing he might be willing to do something. Keep me posted.
I would like to hear John's opinion on whats going on with it.
If the only major problem with it is the plenum size (too big) I am willing to modify it and reduce the volume with some cutting and welding. I mean hell... $500.00
lease: its worth a try right? There is some good conversation about this in the group buy section.link to thread Last edited by djmota; Dec 8, 2003 at 05:25 PM.
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Rep Power: 0 I talked to him a few days ago and he said that he wouldn't give a refund, but would work on a new design after he talks to the guy that tuned my car...Now he won't answer my calls or emails...I'm thinking about making a threat with a lawyer in small claims court...Or just have someone call him up acting like a lawyer and scare the **** out of him
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Rep Power: 312 Better yet - remember that guy that won the auction for the evo, but the dealer wouldn't sell it to him. We should bombard him with messages and emails until he rectifies the situation.......
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After reading all the post and looking at your sheets, it's clear that that manifold is crap. Looking at the manifold, it looks like they took it from a b series and adapted it so the TB can be mounted on the top. That's just stupid. The stock manifold has the right idea-keeping the intake tracts seperate for each cylinder instead of having a housing design like the KMS. I think KMS just made a shady product. As far as tuning again, I'd say try and polish and bore the stock manifold. I know its plastic but maybe you can mat a dx lx d16 manifold somehow. I'm pretty sure that those are metal. Either way, good luck cwick.
I talked to him a few days ago and he said that he wouldn't give a refund, but would work on a new design after he talks to the guy that tuned my car...Now he won't answer my calls or emails...I'm thinking about making a threat with a lawyer in small claims court...Or just have someone call him up acting like a lawyer and scare the **** out of him
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Rep Power: 375 Hes not answering any of my calls as well. Hes not really willing to do anything to rectify this situation. IM not really sure what else to do about it?
Maybe sell it to the FI guys for cheap. Rob said his FI setup is doing well with the IM
Maybe sell it to the FI guys for cheap. Rob said his FI setup is doing well with the IM
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Rep Power: 0 i've been reading about this KMS manifold for a while now. i dont know if i'm the only one who knows this but this style of manifold is only good for turbo with large boost. the design has big straight runners with a wide open central chamber, perfect maximum air displacement. if you have a turbo, the boost will push and force a lot of air in there. but, if you're running NA, you loose so much air velocity, you will no longer have any venturi effect. the runners are so big and straight, it does not create any pressure. this is not a problem for turbo because the boost is the pressure.......not trying to be a wise ***, you just have to buy the right things for the right reasons...
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Rep Power: 375 Originally posted by shelsuspensions
i've been reading about this KMS manifold for a while now. i dont know if i'm the only one who knows this but this style of manifold is only good for turbo with large boost. the design has big straight runners with a wide open central chamber, perfect maximum air displacement. if you have a turbo, the boost will push and force a lot of air in there. but, if you're running NA, you loose so much air velocity, you will no longer have any venturi effect. the runners are so big and straight, it does not create any pressure. this is not a problem for turbo because the boost is the pressure.......not trying to be a wise ***, you just have to buy the right things for the right reasons...
i've been reading about this KMS manifold for a while now. i dont know if i'm the only one who knows this but this style of manifold is only good for turbo with large boost. the design has big straight runners with a wide open central chamber, perfect maximum air displacement. if you have a turbo, the boost will push and force a lot of air in there. but, if you're running NA, you loose so much air velocity, you will no longer have any venturi effect. the runners are so big and straight, it does not create any pressure. this is not a problem for turbo because the boost is the pressure.......not trying to be a wise ***, you just have to buy the right things for the right reasons...
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Rep Power: 0 well he's obviously going to say that it performs for NA too, he wants money right?? he's in a business, and the purpose of a business is to make money. but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out what the design is meant for.
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Rep Power: 375 NO it doesnt but if he wants to stay in business he prolly shouldnt advertise fasly for his products. It will come back to bite him in the ***. As for a rocket scientist sure it dosnt take one to determine what the design is for but from the design it also looks to me like NA gains should be produced..look at DH racings manifold
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Rep Power: 0 omg... ok ok ok.... my car is at kms, still! yes... remember like 4 months ago my motor blew? blah. well, john told me id have my car before x mas and yea... wheres my car? i have no fvckin clue... i have that manifold too and im assuming the same guy is going to dyno my car that dynoed cwicks? chad, yes? if so... then hopefully when my car does get dynoed we can see if the manifold helps but it will be hard to determine because i have full internal work done too and a turbo... all done by john. im crossing my fingers that my car doesnt get screwed up like that black civic which was mentioned earlier... omg. someone tell me john will make it ok just for peace of mind... ::sigh::
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Rep Power: 0 I hope for your sake that your car is ok....Ed, the guy that will be tuning your car, told me about John and his work....I wish we had someone to call that is a lawyer....There are too many people that has been screwed over by him....Hey Robb, give Ed a call @ balanced Performance: 678-546-3133 Ask him if he talked to John yet about tuning your car
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Better Business Bureau?
Lawsuit?
Let everyone on the internet know? I'm sure word travels fast through car forums.
Better Business Bureau?
Lawsuit?
Let everyone on the internet know? I'm sure word travels fast through car forums.
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Rep Power: 0 I would say get the BBB in on it and maybe call up the local news since around here if there is a buisness that is shady the news comes and does a story on it and exposes them as a bad buisness.
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Also, look at the bottom graph(air/fuel ratio) My car was running really rich before the tune...The tuning took car of that though
Also, look at the bottom graph(air/fuel ratio) My car was running really rich before the tune...The tuning took car of that though
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