eager2learn

i found this site...i think i messed up my relay...

http://techauto.awardspace.com/mainrelay.html

ezone

It seems you aren't gaining ground on the problem.

When you first flip the key to on, make sure the check engine light comes on before you crank it.

I would try to figure out what's missing at the moment it doesn't start right away. That means I rig up a way to monitor, to see if it's missing spark or fuel from the drivers seat whenever it doesn't start.

A standard inductive timing light wrapped around a spark plug wire is enough to see if spark is still present.

A test light stabbed somewhere into the fuel pump control would tell if the pump is being turned on or not, but that can't tell you if the injectors are being pulsed like they are supposed to, but watching the pump is at least a starting point.

eager2learn

....so what you are saying is my soldering job is fine and my relay is okay?

ezone

Doesn't it still run? LOL

I can't evaluate your solder job from my recliner.

Testing is for figuring out why something doesn't work.

You need to understand how it's supposed to work in order to come up with your own tests (Otherwise, it's best to follow a service manual).
It also helps to understand how and why things work together, tests can be modified accordingly.

If I have to test operation of a relay like that, I test the outputs to evaluate if the relay is doing what it's supposed to do........ and if it is not then I test the inputs to help figure out why not.

That's why I said I would rig up a way to monitor some things from the drivers seat as a starting point. Then wait for it to act up.

eager2learn

for spark and fuel....i'm gonna crank it via starter and leave a screwdriver inside the plug tube to see if i have spark in the tube...

for fuel...im gonna unbolt the fuel rail thing and put the hose inside an empty water bottle and crank via starter see if i get fuel...

for fuel pump...im gonna ***** a whole inside the ground wire on the fuel pump and stick it with my test light....

then im gonna replace my pgm fi main relay w/ a used one off ebay because i think i messed it up with my globs of solder....maybe i should replace the pgm fi main relay first....lol

ezone

I thought this was a problem that happens without warning, leaves you stranded for a half hour or so.
You expect to do all this after you find out it's not going to start on the first try?
By yourself?
From the drivers seat?

Also, you can probably skip at least one of those steps.
One of those you better not even try while doing the other. You could blow yourself up.



Maybe.
I would not bother with a used one.

eager2learn

yeah it happens w/out warning but im doing it in my driveway so

i was gonna do it by myself via jump starting my start at the terminal...

oldskool funk did it on youtube here


but i am getting fuel...my car still starts and runs but sometimes it starts up really funny...im gonna snap a vid hold on ...

eager2learn

Okay im back with videos

From 9/6/17 - 9/9/17 I did some testing to replicate my issue.
My steps were as follow:
1. Go to my car
2. Start it
3. If starts normal than drive around the block until engine warms up going 15-20mph for 5-10 minutes
4. Drive home. Park. Turn off car. Turn back on to see if issue comes on

Summary:
NO ISSUES WHAT THE F#&#*!!

(Awkward) Video logs of 9/6-9/9 tests.




THEN ON 9/10/17...Sunday! IT DECIDES TO GIVE ME ISSUES!

My steps were as follows:
1. Decided to run errands today
2. Drove 5 minutes going 35mph to local supermarket
3. Parked
4. Spent 5 minutes in supermarket
5. Went back to car to start....this happened:
I cranked it. I mashed the gas pedal. Nothing.
6. Tried again 10 minutes later:
Nothing
7. Waited another 10 minutes then tried again:
Still nothing.
8. Waited 1 hour at local book store to let my car cool down then I tried again:
It had trouble starting up so I gave it a little gas and it brought my car back to life!
9. Drove home going 35mph through city w/ red lights, stop and go traffic for ~5min. Parked. Turned off car. Turned back on and...it starts up normally....
10. I decided to simulate me shopping 5m by waiting and going back to turn my car on. It tried to give me some issues so I gave it some gas and it brought my car to life.

CONCLUSION:
My car is picking on me. It only fails when I'm away from home doing errands but when I'm at home it behaves normally.

I'm...I don't know....is it the PGM-FI MAIN RELAY? I'll drop $50 for a new one ASAP cuz I have an exam on monday..tmrw LOL fudgeruckers....

eager2learn

Dude you must be wealthy. No way u r Honda janitor. More like engineer.

ezone

No way to tell without testing. The videos don't do much for diagnosing at this point.......about all I can gather is that the starter still works and you already know that much.

As I said before, you're gonna need to figure out what's missing (or wrong) while it doesn't start.
Spark or fuel.

Then after you figure out which one isn't right, track down why.


You could get a can of carb and throttle cleaner spray (FLAMMABLE) and when it won't start you whip the lid off the air breather and open the throttle by hand, spritz a 2 second shot of the stuff into the open throttle--then immediately run around and crank it, see if the engine makes any sounds like it tries to fire on that spray.

(that would suggest it still has spark but fuel is missing, if it's trying to run on the carb spray)

Sanitation engineer.
And on the days I water the plants and greenery, I'm the plant manager.

Truth: I didn't buy it. I inherited this recliner when my last grandparent passed away.

eager2learn

Is it a La-Z-Boy?

eager2learn

OKAY FOUND OUT MY ISSUE THANKS TO MY LOCAL NEIGHBORHOOD MECHANIC PHIL.

I went out to turn on my car this morning and it started normally. I turned it off to go back inside and Phil yelled out, "IT'S YOUR HEADERS BRO!"

He caught me by surprise so I said, "huh?"

He said there's white smoke coming out my tail pipe.

I turned my car back on and sure enough it was smoking like a chimney.

I checked my oil cap and yup...chocolate milk smudges...my headgasket is blown =D

Thanks for the helps guys.

ezone

No, not yet. Milky smears in the oil cap can be ok. Especially on an engine that isn't on the highway for extended periods or does a lot of short trips.


If you pull the dipstick and see chocolate milkshake, that's bad....and damn rare even if it does blow the head gasket, because the 6th gen usually does exactly like the 7th gens when it goes.



What does the smoke SMELL like?
Does it smell like oil (maybe lawnmower exhaust or 2 stroke exhaust), or does it smell like antifreeze (sickeningly sweet)?



My truck has some stuck oil rings, if I do things just wrong it could fog out a city block. It's just oil smoke LOL

eager2learn

You want me to sniff carbon monoxide gas?

Okay I did. It took a while for the white smoke to come out but it smells like...well it didn't smell like my lawn mower that's for sure.

Also the oil dipstick. It wasn't clear evidence of chocoloate milk smudge but I did see air bubbles stuck in the sludge.

Did I also mention I had to refill my coolant overflow reservoir tank every-time I take it for a drive?

U have the coolest toys.

ezone

Smell the smoke, not huff it like gold spray paint.

What DOES it smell like?

Antifreeze smells sickeningly sweet when it's burned....... Like maybe an Aunt Jemima factory on fire.

That can be typical sometimes too.

First I remember hearing about it. That's some damn handy information when you think you have a head gasket problem.

You can check out the overheating common causes thread for more checks.

If you never get married and never have kids, you can get toys before you're too old to have fun with them
Wish I had realized that when I was 21.

eager2learn

LOL! mind if i retweet this

ill chekc the other stuff out after i fix my other car...something wrong wit the clutch someone helpin me with it in another thread

ezone

May as well just use this pic instead



Um, that's me and I guess I didn't realize that's not the same car as this one...