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what does this hose go to? my car wouldnt start when i was suposed to leave for work...after close inspection i found this hose colapsed and stuck shut. would this even prevent the car from starting?



i need to know asap. rep is up for grabs lol

 
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http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...HAMBER+%282%29


Looks like the hose (#4) for the PCV valve.

I don't think this alone will keep it from running, but you could plug or pinch off the hose near the nipple on the manifold to stop vacuum leakage for a test.

Then you will find it still won't run, so you better start with basics like spark, fuel, and compression checks.

HTH

 
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hmm well when i take the hose off the rpms bounce all over the place. 1k-3.5k. when i plug the nipple the rpms drop to like 150 and it almost stalls.

im not sure what changed but i pulled the valve cover off to take a peak and pulled the cam gear cover off. then put it back together and it started, rough but it started. now seems to start fine. i think its got something to do with fuel. i can smell gas pretty bad

anyways compression test and search for vacuum leaks tomorrow

 
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The PCV valve is a CONTROLLED VACUUM LEAK. The leakage is calibrated, so the system must be intact for it to work right.

well when i take the hose off the rpms bounce all over the place. 1k-3.5k.

Hose removed is a huge leak, that's the normal reaction.....

when i plug the nipple the rpms drop to like 150 and it almost stalls.

and blocked off will not be enough of a leak. Again, that's probably the normal reaction.



im not sure what changed but i pulled the valve cover off to take a peak and pulled the cam gear cover off. then put it back together and it started, rough but it started. now seems to start fine.

anyways compression test and search for vacuum leaks tomorrow
If it starts and runs NOW, you won't find anything wrong. If it runs RIGHT, I wouldn't bother doing anything else to it until you can prove something is wrong. Then test stuff.

i think its got something to do with fuel. i can smell gas pretty bad

I bet you just flooded it.....
Operator error?
Got a scenario that happened right before it wouldn't start?
Did you move the car 10 feet and shut it off?



HTH

 
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Well even while its running and im driving i smell fuel.
but since im doing an oil change today im replacing the pcv valve and the hose.

 
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Oooh....if you can smell raw fuel, you ought to be able to see leakage. Did you disturb fuel lines, or the regulator return line?

 
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I changed the fuel filter about a week ago but cant find any leaks anywhere. And i did a fuel pressure test and it primed at 40 psi the when i turned it on it went down around 34-36 and stayed around there while revving. Then again

Someone (not familiar with hondas) thinks i need a timing belt but after talking to a mechanic he thought it was a fuel pump problem. Untill i told him the results of the fuel pressure test. And now he wants me to bring it to his shop to look at it

 
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If you can smell raw fuel while driving, it should be a simple leak in the front of the car. (Someone had better have a damn good explanation as to how this raw fuel smell means a timing belt is needed.)

The leak would have to be freeking HUGE to lose fuel pressure. Puddles on the ground kind of huge.

If this is just since the fuel filter was replaced, then that sounds like a good place to start.

Wetness should be pretty obvious, and it doesn't take much to make an awful lot of smell. Note that there will only be odor while the leak is happening, and it may be tough to see because it evaporates rapidly....but once you find it, it will probably be obvious.

HTH

 
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reason number 1 you dont ask a Volkswagen guy for help on a honda.

anyways the smells comes and goes while driving. but i will look again for leaks.

 
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I started out with a 63 Bug, don't laugh. I had the engine out before I had my license one week. I had a broken car and no money, and my dad had a driveway and a toolbox. Before I got rid of that car, I had taken everything apart and fixed or replaced, but I never took the transmission apart (replaced it twice though).

Wrenching turned into a full time gig quickly.

How ya like me now?
LOL

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You will probably need to run the fuel pump while you look for it since leaks will likely only happen under pressure. So either the engine needs to be running, or hotwire the fuel pump.

Might be a good time to throw white baby powder all over the fuel lines and fittings, that way you may be able to see if it has leaked even though it isn't leaking right at that moment.

HTH

 
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lol my buddy has an 85 jetta diesel coupe. slowest car i think ive ever drivin in. even slower than the geo metro i was in lol. and i thought my civic was slow.

anyways i had the engine on and still nothin. might try the baby powder.

 
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found this thread from honda tech. the op has the exact same problem as me it sounds like...going to check my plugs right now lol

http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2354325

 
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What are you chasing-- a fuel smell or a hard start problem?

The thread reads like the OP left a plug LOOSE and the threads got filled with carbon as a result of leakage.

And sure, a loose plug could let fuel smell through...It certainly wasn't the first thing I think of though.

Are you going to admit this if loose plugs turns out to be your problem? LOL....

Please say you have the proper NGK plugs and not Bosch Platinums!

 
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i was kind of looking for both lol. if they were loose id probly just give a light chuckle and stop myself from ever creating a thread on here again lol. they do look fine tho. my one bosch looks like it needs replaced soon. the other three ngks look perfect.














LOL jk ive got FOUR ngk irridiums. im probly gonna buy ngk platinums though

 
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Make sure the Bosch is in the correct hole. If it is in the wrong hole, it might run way too good.











Either type, I would not replace on my own car unless it was really the cause of a problem. The fine metals don't wear like old regular cheap plugs.

We have several customers with cars and vans running 2-300,000 miles on the original platinum or iridium plugs.

I took 100k platinum plugs (AC Delco, made by NGK) out of one car and installed them into my own car (Buick) several years ago.

 
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yeah i know...i gotta look up which cylinder needs the bosch before i can do this. lol

wow. wouldnt those spark plugs have a weak spark?

 
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wow. wouldnt those spark plugs have a weak spark?[/quote]
Scuze me?
Plugs don't MAKE the spark.

 
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Yeah but i thought the older they are the weaker the spark lol. I guess not, excuse my noobiness

 
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With normal cheap $2.95 plugs (30k replacement intervals), the electrodes wear and the size of the gap increases over a bunch of miles. This widened spark gap can cause undue stress on the ignition system and lead to premature failure (igniter and coil), and/or contribute to misfires.
With precious metal plugs, the electrode wear is minimized, so they will go 100k+ miles without having the size of the gap change significantly.

With any spark plug, fouling is an factor that can't be controlled by the makers. Oil, fuel, carbon, contaminants, etc. all can cause fouling of the plugs. If your engine runs well enough that fouling is never an issue, then platinum or iridium plugs would last the life of the engine for most people.

Example: If your engine burns a lot of oil, then eventually it can foul a plug with white crusty buildup, this will happen no matter what type of plug you put in. In this case, there is almost no economic advantage to using an expensive plug.





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But......

The Bosch platinum +4 plugs turn the wimpy wimpy match light of your tiny little ignition candles into HUGE FREEKIN' lightning bolts that are thrown from the heavens above by Zeus, the Mighty God of Thunder and light up the daytime sky with flashes of light so bright, you need to wear welding goggles if you don't want to burn your retinas!



They are THAT GOOD!

this---> (Or I am THAT FULL OF ****!!!) <---this



Seriously...I shoot them into the dumpster with a wrist rocket when I get the chance.They are that crappy.

 
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enough said lol