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so i've got infinity kappa coaxials all around, and i was offered a set of infinity kappa 5 1/4 components for free... so now im wondering, i know the component set is always better, but is a component set with a smaller woofer any better....

 
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I think the 5 1/4 component set is a great deal. yes, the 6.5 should have better bass, but it shuld sound better. if you don't want them, tell him i'll buy them off him if it's a good deal [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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thanks there mr. ed... any other input from anyone else?

 
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exactly how?

 
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Well the only thing I can suggest is to consider whether or not you plan to put subs in your system. If you are, the size of those component woofers becomes relatively irrelevant.

 
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exactly how? [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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subs make no difference in that... my subs - everything below 80 hz, my coaxials, everything above, theres already subs.... thats what a crossover is for... im concerned about the midbass frequencies here... i just want an opinion on exactly how much midbass i'll be losing but as an advantage have a better setup due to the fact that i'll actually be able to put the tweeter in a better location.. btw, i dont know if this actually makes a difference in your opinions, but there will be 75rms to each one

so whiterabbit, what do you think

 
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I think a properly designed and built coaxial is perfectly capable of playing just as clean as any component system

I think that seperating the tweeter too far from the midwoofer can cause a whole new set of imaging problems as well as advantages

I think that i hvae had SEVERE problems with the kappa series coaxial, so im not a good person to ask bout specifics with its performance, im not gonna have many nice things to say [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]

edit: i think that caraudio is a hobby where everyone would like to believe they know something, jsut the other day someone told me that seperate chambers are better. I asked how? no answer. they were better. thats it.

because of this in my opinion, ive found a great many people who are quick to pass judgement and offer advice without offering any explanations why, and we are supposed to go on blind faith? i especially love teh circuit city employee who told me that 2 4 ohm DVC woofers could be wired for 2 ohm operation. later i found out he shared a high school chemistry class with a buddy of mine, no physics under his belt.

I cant blame these people, but i can ask for an explanation for their reccommendations/explanations. 90% of the time, they go unanswered.

I also think that if you ask for my thoughts you should be prepared for a very blunt answer ;p

 
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I would keep the 6.5" if I were you. I have had a set of mb quart 5 1/4 components and a set of mb quart 6.5" components in the front of a couple cars. The 6.5" set sounded much better. They had considerably more bass. That is why I preferred them.

Anyhow, WhiteRabbit, if you read this again, could you offer some advice on the placement of the tweets in the front of my sedan? I am getting mb quart psd 216s and am unsure of the best spot to mount the tweet. I mounted the tweets in the doors next to the door handle and across from the air vents on the dash mainly because they look cool. However, people alwasy say that the tweeter needs to as far away from your ear as possible so you get a more centered sound. Any advice?

 
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Here's a thought, next time SPECIFY that you're asking about mid-bass - and when the first person responds to your inquiry with an answer referring to bass, correct them at that moment instead of saying "thanks".

 
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Exactly how?

And, when I add subs to my system I use a crossover to block out lower frequencies on the sound spectrum from my cabin speakers, does that answer your question? Do you have any real information to add this conversation or are you just going to sit back and respond with "exactly how" to everyone's suggestions?

p.s. If you're getting your car stereo information from Circuit City employees you just may be in the wrong forum.

 
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LoL. Whiterabbit, in the wrong forum. [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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I'm lost.. anyway [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] I thought that bigger speakers were better at playing bass? Correct me if i'm wrong.

 
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Whenever I ask people why they think coaxials are inferior to components, i get a line about construction, how the cone of the woofer has to slide around the post for the tweeter. furthurmore, that tweeter, they say, blocks waves from teh midwoofer, muffling or causing other poor woofer performance.

the fact is that many speakers are designed with a stationary post in the center. shocker, vifa tweets, kicker component/ coaxial speakers are just a couple that i can think of off the top of my head that are full on component drivers with a stationary center post, and are definitely high performance speakers.

as to actual speaker performance, many ultra high end brands are actually starting to build non-component "component" speakers. The two that come to mind are cdt braxials and aura reference components. each suspend the tweeter over the midwoofer using a bridge, something ANYONE here can do by using plumbers backstrapping and their own component set.

why would anyone do this? because the IDEAL audio system as just two points of sound. two dots, where EVERY single frequency comes frmo just those two points. this is an audio dream that will never be reached, because of what is discussed belw and above this post. The reason the pillars are used for a tweter location is that with speakers even in kicks, often times the stage cna be too low. you can solve this by adding rearfill and raising teh tweeters. nothing wrong with doing it, but for sure you would want an offboard tweeter to do something like that....

If you look at ultra high end HT towers, you will see them built on a curve. this is because even in home theater its impossible to have point source sound, so they go by a theory of "linesource." the line source theory states that you get a far smoother transition between the tweeter and midwoofer if the pathlengths are EQUAL to the ear between each speaker. often times evne in the most well designed kickpanel with perfect imaging, around 3-4000 Hz music sounds kind of odd as there is teh transfer beterrn tweet and mid. you can see the same idea in high end built caraudio systems, JL's new car has two XR sets in it, the woofers are right next to each other, two tweeter are in the window pods, and two are almost centered on teh dash. ALL 8 SPEAKERS were measured to have IDENTICAL distances and pathlengths to the ear. I would bet that imaging and smoothness in that car is un****ing real

http://www.teamcaf.org/geolemon/Linesource/Linesource.htm

here is a fantastic resource from a friend of mine about line sources, how to set them up, his experimentation with them, and the results of his experiments. fascinating reading some time. (he also has a great page about american rice, he himself drives a buzzbomb 95 civic)

now, why did i add teh qualifier "well made coaxial" who here would rather run a set of JL XR coaxials, vs. clarions' component set? noone here who cna truthfully claim they have heard both sets will say they would rather have the clarion set. the difference is night and day. unfortunately, the price difference is also night and day, but we've all said it, you get what you pay for.

as far as teh insults go, ill take them, i was pretty rude too, just tired of hearing unjustified opinions and waiting for someone to ask me for my advice. i deserve exactly what i got.

the idea is that the larger cone area, the lower the frequency response. of course it is still install and woofer dependand, but its why you will see for the most part that 15's play lower than 10's play lower than 6.5's play lower than tweeters. there are always exeptions, but lower frequencies require a TON more air moved, as higher frequencies carry alot more energy.

that also explains why dB drag put an 80 Hz cap on usable frequencies. long time ago, competitors would run 120 Hz ntes and hit 170 EASY. now 170 is alot harder to hit, as lower frequencies require far more engergy to reach the same pressure.

its also why i have to tell people who listen to hip hop but want 8's cause "they dont want big bass" that they really want 12's or 15's, not because of volume, but because of frequency response. hip hop would sound alot better on a 12 than on an 8, volume comes from power handling and high end speakers. i think everyone would agree with me here than an entry level 15 cant even compete with an ultra high end 10 in output, installs created equal

 
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simple question turned into huge clusterf**k

 
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Mbow - hook up the tweeters and use some velcro to test different mounting locations....I would suggest the kickpanels and a-pillars.