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Old Jun 14, 2007
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Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

I like electric windows to work whenever I push the button, regardless of whether the key is in the ignition or not. Having to put the key in and turn it to move the windows just irritates me. If you agree with me, herein I describe how to fix this particular irritant.

My car is a 2004 Civic 2-door Coupe LX. I suspect these guidelines will work on any 7th generation Civics with power windows, either 2- or 4-door, possibly also the 3-door. For all I know, it may work on Accords, earlier Civics, whatever. There's always a way, and it's usually not too different between different models from the same maker.

Gain access to the under-dash fusebox. Instructions are in your owner's handbook, but basically just remove the panel directly under the steering column, which involves turning two ***** with your fingers. The fusebox is above the gas pedal.

Looking at the fusebox, there are two black boxes at the lower left corner. These are relays. Just to the right and a little up is a third relay. Pull that third relay out.

If you've read this far and are thinking "This doesn't sound too difficult", it's just because you haven't gotten in there yet. Honda made that fusebox miserably difficult to get at. And they designed the socket the relay plugs into to mostly surround the relay so you can't get your fingers on it. Then they located a thick wiring harness right in your way. And there are two little tangs that hold the relay in place, so you've got to get the other hand in there to hold the tangs back while pulling the relay out. And as if that isn't enough, the relay is held pretty firmly just by the friction of the terminal connections, you've got to pull it pretty hard to get it out.

This relay has four male spade terminals on the bottom, two 1/4" and two 3/16". What you need to do is make a jumper wire with a male 1/4" spade terminal on each end and plug it into that socket in place of the relay. Leave the 3/16" terminals unused.

That's it, you're done. Nice thing is, if you ever decide it was a mistake, you can undo it just as easily by removing the jumper and plugging the relay back in.

Note: The button on the driver's door that operates the driver's window has "AUTO" written on it, and this button is illuminated whenever the power windows have power. Hence, it will be on forever. Your battery will die of old age before the tiny LED illuminating this button will run down the charge, but if the thought of that little nightlight staying on bothers you, forget this mod -- or plan on disassembling that button and dyking the wire to that LED.
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

sounds like a neat diy. wonder if you can do this for the moonroof?
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

this is awesome? anybdoy wana try it first n make up a DIY with pics? i dont exactly know how to make a jumper wire or even wat that is...anybody with pics or willing to try it out first PLEASEEE...this is one of those irritating things!!!!
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

Sounds like a great mod !

BTW the under dash fuse box will somewhat drop down if you remove the bolt at the bottom of box.
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

ive had my windows this way since about 3 months after i bought my car. along with a window roll up/down module so both my windows have auto up and down as well as remote up/down along with the alarm.
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

Originally Posted by D17sRuNtunable
i dont exactly know how to make a jumper wire or even wat that is...
In this case, just take a piece of 18 gauge insulated wire about 3" long, strip about 1/4" of the insulation off each end, and crimp/solder a 1/4" male spade connector on each end. When you pull the relay out, you'll see where to plug it in.

The relay connects these two terminals together when the ignition is on. The jumper wire connects these two terminals together, period.
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

neat trick...
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I am doing this later. NICE!
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

thats sweet now dat its summer im deff gonna do diz!!! plus i hate putting the key in and hearing dat anoying little bell sound..
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

Sounds like a great way for me to put a coat hanger in your window and push the button to get in, then jack you for all your worth. I don't know thats just my .02 cents.
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

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Sounds like a great way for me to put a coat hanger in your window and push the button to get in, then jack you for all your worth.
Word, same reason the power door lock switch on my door is disabled.
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

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Word, same reason the power door lock switch on my door is disabled.
Someone else does have a little sense
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

But how would you know that this mod had been done? Are you going to go around trying to break in to all the civics you see, just to find one with the mod? Better yet you could just walk around the parking lot and look for the ones that have window controls are still light up.
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

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But how would you know that this mod had been done? Are you going to go around trying to break in to all the civics you see, just to find one with the mod? Better yet you could just walk around the parking lot and look for the ones that have window controls are still light up.
When someone see something they want they watch and learn the weakness of their prey. ITs called paying attention to detail. A amateur crook is just going to smash the window no matter what. A more professional is going to stop look and listen before he does anything.
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lol what professionals. u guys take this steeling thing way too hard. u think a professional crook is gona stake out and stalk a civic until he finds what he finds a way to steal it? liek hes going to watch u get in ur car...leave the keys in ur lap and watch u roll the windows down. please..ive had my car stolen before and its just coincidence...i was trhe lucky guy who had a stock car someone wanted and it was old. my brother had a nice car that was stolen..tis just a matter of luck.. dont take it up the ***. thats being insecure.
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

Originally Posted by D17sRuNtunable
thats being insecure.
Nope, it's being prepared.
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

You don't need power assistance to break into a Civic. I know for a fact 01-03 Civics have lock switches in a curved form. You can easily take a coat hanger and pull it up to unlock.
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Re: Rewiring Power Windows to work w/o ignition

Originally Posted by D17sRuNtunable
lol what professionals. u guys take this steeling thing way too hard. u think a professional crook is gona stake out and stalk a civic until he finds what he finds a way to steal it? liek hes going to watch u get in ur car...leave the keys in ur lap and watch u roll the windows down. please..ive had my car stolen before and its just coincidence...i was trhe lucky guy who had a stock car someone wanted and it was old. my brother had a nice car that was stolen..tis just a matter of luck.. dont take it up the ***. thats being insecure.
If i can think like a criminal then that means that someone else has already thought of the idea. I'm just throwing a fact out there that he may have not thought about. And since the driver side is auto down well all i have to do is tap that switch, pretty easy... Ive been broke into way too many times. And if you haven't ever, well your lucky. Its like you've been violated in more ways then one, and knowing you helped them in some way that would suck even more.
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