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Old Feb 14, 2006
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2.5v preouts =(

So we got a new panasonic CD player at work, pretty kick ***. cqc8303u. anyways, i noticed it only had 2.5v preouts..... is it really that big of a deal? My other option would be an eclipse unit.... not sure wich one though yet
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not a big deal
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thats plenty. actually i noticed 2v sounds better than 6.5v i used to have. maybe depends on the amp you hook up.
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Depends alot on the HU itself.

Last year I went from Clarion (4v) to mid-end Eclipse (5v) and then high-end Eclipse (8v), and the sonic difference each time was AMAZING, especially going to the CD8445.
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Originally Posted by MegaHurtz
Depends alot on the HU itself.

Last year I went from Clarion (4v) to mid-end Eclipse (5v) and then high-end Eclipse (8v), and the sonic difference each time was AMAZING, especially going to the CD8445.
i didn't even know they went up to 8v, i taught the highest was 6v
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i didn't even know they went up to 8v, i taught the highest was 6v
my line driver goes up to like 12 or more
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I was looking at getting maybe the cd6000 wich i believe is 8v. Has anyone compared eclipse subs and amps to those made by kicker? BTW for all of those who hate sony (myself included) their new line of amps are all cea rated and believe it or not..... dont suck =)
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there is no cd6000

there is a cd7000, it's 5v. no 8v preouts this year.
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just got there new product line up, and they def have an 8v, might be off on the number though. Ill see if i can get in touch with there rep again tommorow. So far the only items our store has received has been the 1,2, and 3000 models.
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Whoops, it was the 5000
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Wow interesting, I wonder why the 7000 doesn't have 8v preouts.
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Idk, i found that weird too. The damn thing is retailing at 549.99. I didnt relize eclipse was so high-end.
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It's a beautiful sounding deck I'm sure. I wouldn't go with anything else now that I've been using the high end Eclipse stuff (started with CD8445, now CD8455).
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Thanks for helping me make up my mind =)
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I asked this before...heres your answer thanks to J187

To address your question, I will tell you a few things about gain first. Gain is used to level-match the voltage from the headunit to the amp you are using. If you aren't real familar with electricity, don't worry. Getting the jist here will do you just fine. The best way to think of gains (some amps actually use this term instead of gain) is as an amplifier sensitivity level. In other words, how sensitive to the input voltage of your headunit do you want your amp to be, so that these two devices agree on volume level and output. So, the lower your output voltage on your headunit, 2v preout for example, the more sensitive your amps have to be to match the level. Think of it like this; if the output is weak from the headunit, the input must be strong from the amp. So, a 4 volt preout would allow to keep your gain setting lower than a 2 volt and a 9 volt, lower than a 4 volt. Now, this being said, generally, the higher you gains are set, the more sensitive the system becomes to noise. More sensitivity on the amps (higher gains) means that your amp is more sensitive to all electrical signal. So, the signal thrown off by your alternator and by other powered devices that are picked up can be transmitted through your speakers. When you play a CD, the headunit interperets the recorded signal and a signal from the headunit travels through the RCA cable, into the amp, out of the amp into speakers, out of the speakers and into you ears. The result is, you hear music at a particular frequency. Well, electronic devices around the inputs of your amp which are picked up faintly through the input without direct contact are also transmitted that same way and those too come out of your speakers at some frequency. Usually, distorting the intended sound of the music. So, to recap, obviously higher preout signal voltage means lower gains which may translate into less noise or a lower noise floor. However, this all depends largely upon your amps. Your noise floor only becomes an issue when your amps pick up and transmit that noise. And whats more, the only time it matters to you and I is when the transmitted noise is audible. So, you may have an amp that can handle it's sensitivity being high and still not pick up the interference around it. Therefore, it wouldn't make a difference if you had a 2 volt preout or a 4 volt preout. Some amps, would benefit from a 9 volt because they are really susceptible to noise at high sensitivity levels. The ultimate answer is that it truely is situation dependant and one really cannot determine the effect of preout voltage without factoring in every other aspect of a particular system. Things even as trivial as what material your tweeters are made of matter, whereas titanium tweeters will make most everything audible so even the subtlest detail of noise will be an issue. Basically, everything 4 volt and higher are typically not a problem. Some switching power supply headunits with preout voltage upwards of 9+ volts are usless to a large number of amps which cannot even accomodate them anyway. The difference between 4 volt and 2 volt on a descent amp is not really much to worry. Especially when you account for the one factor I haven't even mentioned yet - your hearing. Not everyone, in fact a relative small number of people can even hear subtle details of noise and distortion. So it doesn't become a problem for a lot of us anyway. And the difference between 6 volt and 4 volt is even less noticeable usually and not all amps will even make efficient use out of the 6 volts anyway. Hope that helped a little
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high preout voltage is good to reduce the amount of noise that can enter a system. the higher the voltage the more it can reject outside interference. it also allows you to keep the gains on your amp low, so that things like "speaker hiss" are not audible. i had a panasonic with 4v preouts, but really you only get to that 4 v at near max volume, and by then youre usually near clipping the signal if not clipping it already. i used an audiocontrol line driver to boost up the voltages, and overall it just added to the richness of the sound. everything just sounded alot clearer and amazing. i have both of the units i used up for sale since i dont really have a use for them anymore.
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Wow, that was helpful. Something else to regurgitate at work! WOOHOO. No but seriously, thanks. It makes sense now =)
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Originally Posted by MegaHurtz
Wow interesting, I wonder why the 7000 doesn't have 8v preouts.
look around at car audio these days
there is no more market for sq...
the old eclipse 8053's used to do 16v outs with a balanced out
but seriously, how many people run a balanced setup these days
eclipse is going down the tubes, they sell it at circuit city now, thats never a good sign...
alpine removed bass engine pro
a few other manufacturers are doing the same
look how long pioneer is taking to revamp the p9 series. its not cost effective to design high quality anymore when most people just care about how loud it is
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eclipse is going down the tubes, they sell it at circuit city now, thats never a good sign...
Thank you for yet again dissing my place of work.
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Originally Posted by thatsmrgimp2u
Thank you for yet again dissing my place of work.
wasn't meant as an insult to you,
just that almost every single company I've ever seen increase to such a mass marketed size, always has a decrease in quality and in specialization. when you make 10,000 pieces of said product, and only sell 8000 because your market is of that size, it's manageable
but lets say you expand, and make 100,000 pieces, or even a million. If your product stays the same, youll sell the same amount.
it is then when you must make your product more appealing to the masses as a whole.
Cut a cost here and there with replacing something once machined metal with something plastic...
cut another cost over there with replacing your internals with something just a little more sub par (i.e. voltage on outputs...)
make your cosmetics a bit more over the top, because to the regular consumer, the more lights and colors and buttons, the more functional, right?

not that I have any problem with someone making money, I have a problem with the decrease in quality in available product.
there are no longer any plain looking simple headunits with awesome functionality other than the ridiculously pricey ones (drz9255, f#1, p9 combo, etc)
I dont know about you, but I dont want my dash to look like a spaceship. I dont want parts that flip around and over and do fancy tricks.

look at a few of the companies that have gone to circuit city:
kicker:
their original round solobarics have more sound quality than any other subs theyve made since then
their original ZR amps are virtually indestructible and have great sound quality, better than anything theyve made since

mtx:
they only make one single product worth a damn anymore, the 9500 sub, and even that didnt sell very well

the list goes on too.... I just dont have the time
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One word

SIGNAL TO NOISE RATIO

read about it and you will learn why high voltage pre outs are better
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Hmmm, not to be a critic..... but that was 4 words =)
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Originally Posted by Slammed99Si
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SIGNAL TO NOISE RATIO

read about it and you will learn why high voltage pre outs are better
thats assuming you have noise to begin with...

and assuming your source unit isnt feeding out noise
6.5 volts of crap is just high voltage crap
ive heard GREAT systems with only 2 volt preouts.
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yes thats what i was trying to say. my 2v deck sounds way better than my old 6v and it gets louder without as much distortion and amp gain at medium.
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So i pulled my panasonic head unit..... and sold it. Got $230.00 for it and my XM tuner. So i put my factory head unit back in.... and MAN it sounds like ***. I remember driving home in it when i bought it, how good i thought it sounded. Its amazing what a good EQ can do for you.
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omg i could NEVER go back to stock. i have cheap speakers, alpine cheap deck and tiny alpine amp almost nothing compared to others but it sounds 10x better than stock ever did.
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lol, well usually on the cheaper stereos, they go cheap on the powersupplies so that you get interference from it.
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retail $200 alpine vs. $900 pioneer and the alpine is hands down the better sounding even after all the crazy eq modes i adjusted with the pioneer and the alpine just did treble/bass.
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