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Old Sep 12, 2005
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critique my new system

Well finally have some Money in Line. ANd i think its time to get rid of the weak stock system..

Wanted to know if this would be a good setup, or any other things i need to buy
Gona be installing this in a 02 civic
Total 465 with shipping. Input would be great.

Pioneer Premier DEH-P670MP Deck

Kenwood KAC-9152D
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Amp Kit Amp Kit

Lecagy LCAP15DT 1.5 Farad Capacitor Capacitor
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That's An Amazing Price For All Of Those Things. What R U Going To Amp? R U Going To Replace Those Stock Speakers At All?
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That's An Amazing Price For All Of Those Things. What R U Going To Amp? R U Going To Replace Those Stock Speakers At All?
Well mabe later on when i get some more cash in. But no not right now. Just want the HeadUnit and Bass.

That website has the best prices on the net
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Originally Posted by Kyle23
That's An Amazing Price For All Of Those Things. What R U Going To Amp? R U Going To Replace Those Stock Speakers At All?
How about this AMp
http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_1995.html

WOuld it compare to the kenwood?. It comes with free AMp kit and free shipping.
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So you're going to amp the stock speakers? You do know that they're designed for around 12 watts rms correct? You need a sub to add your bass. Ditch the cap too, it's unnecessary. Don't amp those stockers, they'll fry in less than a minute I'd wager. If you're wanting bass, and 465 is the budget, I'd recommend something else. Why not check into elemental designs? You could get an Elemental Designs 13Kv.2 12" sub, and an Elemental Designs NINe.2 amp that's give you what you're looking for for about $340, then you can buy your wiring seperate. Basic box (you can get a package through elemental including a box for around $420) cost you about $20 in material to build. Wiring would run around $40 (I'd recommend some Knukonceptz wire as it's cheap yet good quality). The NINe.2 has high-level inputs if I'm not mistaken so you wouldn't need a line-out convertor for running it off the stock HU.
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So you're going to amp the stock speakers? You do know that they're designed for around 12 watts rms correct? You need a sub to add your bass. Ditch the cap too, it's unnecessary. Don't amp those stockers, they'll fry in less than a minute I'd wager. If you're wanting bass, and 465 is the budget, I'd recommend something else. Why not check into elemental designs? You could get an Elemental Designs 13Kv.2 12" sub, and an Elemental Designs NINe.2 amp that's give you what you're looking for for about $340, then you can buy your wiring seperate. Basic box (you can get a package through elemental including a box for around $420) cost you about $20 in material to build. Wiring would run around $40 (I'd recommend some Knukonceptz wire as it's cheap yet good quality). The NINe.2 has high-level inputs if I'm not mistaken so you wouldn't need a line-out convertor for running it off the stock HU.
You got me all wrong. I guess i forgot to add that i already have subs. Yeah i wont hook this amp to stock. Just Gona hook them to my subwoofer. My stock are already good. Just want some basssssssssss.
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so right now you got subs hooked up to your stock stereo????

if i was you i would at least replace the front speakers as well... at least with some cheap $50 pioneer's
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No, right now i dont have nothing.

Will be adding a new system soon. i mean i have already bought the subwoofer.
Also what size are the front speakers.?
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6.5" and the rear is 6x9 (for coupe) or 6.5" (for sedan)
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WELL ordering everything in the morning. WIll order a cap just incase
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i replaced my stock battery with an optima yellow top. i think it did a lot more for my system than a scoche 1 fd. capacitor.

im running 2 phoenix gold xs2500's right now.
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jus remember to stay with the top name brands; cause you'll get what you pay for in the end and that includes wires; stick with monster cables
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I think you should save the money thats gonna be spent on the cap. you've got the right idea, but its not something you absolutely need right away, and its money you can save for other uses, car stereo or no.

besides, you can always buy it later. all you have to do is save some power and ground wire after the install, you an always invest another $50 in the future.
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I think you should save the money thats gonna be spent on the cap. you've got the right idea, but its not something you absolutely need right away, and its money you can save for other uses, car stereo or no.

besides, you can always buy it later. all you have to do is save some power and ground wire after the install, you an always invest another $50 in the future.
Wont that amp cause dimming. I mean if i buy it separately the shipping will be more. About 65 bucks.
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if your amp makes less than 1000 Watts then you shouldnt need a cap... and any dimming you'll get is when sitting in a parking lot playing the radio at full volume with the engine off
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yeah, the amp will probably cause dimming. really good chance.
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cap is waste of money if your on a budget... screw it and just do big 3 wiring upgrade
wiring: go to a welding supply shop and buy some power wire
go to a local electronic store and buy some shielded RCA's and remote
go to canadiantire (or whatever the US equivalent) for ring terminals (or local electronic store)
amp: buy used off forum.
deck: buy from retail store or anywhere that will give a good warranty.

thats jsut my reccomendations
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I still say to skip the cap fr now. You can do much more with that money. As for cables, I wouldn't waste all the money on Monster as you can get much better cheaper. Routing plays a big role in wires. If you poorly run your wires doesn't really matter which ones you use.

I'm gonna quote white rabbit from Diskreet's car audio basics thread (mainly cause I'm lazy and don't really feel like typing a lot)
There’s no way I can advocate solder to make connections. the name of the game in a car is "preserve the value of the vehicle", not "make the best connection that’s humanly possible". there’s a reason that the vast VAST majority of high end shops out there use t-taps rather than solder, and its not entirely speed! Its far more important to have a high resale value on the car five years from now than a connection that will last forty years rather than twenty years! if your taps are falling off after two weeks, its not a sign you need to solder, its a sign you should be working harder on making a solid tap!

cables themselves. there is no way I can advocate buying kimber cables over radioshack gold series every time. noise floor in a car is ridiculous as it is, but even with the car off, in a quiet neighborhood, I get ZERO noise in my own car. I don t have kimber, I have el-cheapo!

now, I can definitely see instances when high end cabling would be needed. I was routing some RCA's in my car in a previous install right across the fuel pump. got some noise! throw in a higher shielded cable, and everything was fine. does that mean I needed to buy $70 rca cables to get from the radio to the rear seats? no way!

as for the connections, its all about long term reliability, and nothing else. are you gonna unplug your RCA's three times a day? will they be tweaked this way and that, will there be pressure on them by a trim piece, or when stuff gets thrown into your car? you’d be a fool to buy radioshack cabling! My own amplifiers are in their own designated areas, foreign objects cant access them, and I don’t tug on the cables. why should I buy cables with burly and bulky ends?

as to those cables themselves, I was doing a mustang a couple years ago. we had two cables in the car, monster and audiopipe. the monster turned out to be noisy as heck! they were routed in the SAME spot, and the monster cable induced more noise than the audiopipe! haws that for high end! so sometimes, a cheaper cable can really be the better one from a noise perspective!

as for the head durability problem, another friend and a ford ranger, with knu top end rca cabling. Every time we unplug the cables, the heads start to unscrew! talk about annoying! if he bought the uber UBER cheap cables from radioshack, he wouldn’t have problems with the heads coming unscrewed! not that I am advocating the ultra cheaps in this case, I think he would have had a great deal of problems with noise and connection reliability with kids crawling around the back of the truck to have radioshack rca back there, but when you are paying triple digit numbers JUST for rca cables, there is NO reason I should have to threadlock the heads on!

so what IS better? radioshack? monster? kimber? audiopipe? well, I think its gotta be application based with a heavy emphasis on budget. It definitely surpasses the help a one sentence tip could give on the matter, unless that tip said "when in doubt, let your budget do the talking"!
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^^ I wouldn't bother with Monster either. Even if you are skeptical about buying cheap RCAs from radio shack, you can still buy the entry level stinger rcas for about $5-$10 (depending on your shop). Definitely nothing special, but you still have the name..
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well orderd everything. Will see how everything goes. No capacitor for now.
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