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I am considering building kicks. It looks like the Lt Side might interfere with the clutch. I am wondering if anyone has kicks and can offer an opinion on whether or not it is a pain in the *** with the clutch. Or even just losing the foot rest.

 
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I have an auto trans, but I've seen pics where people have bent their clutch a little more to the right to get a kick in there.

 
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I dont' think I want my clutch any closer to my brake than it already is. It's pretty close to begin with. Thanks for info.

 
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The QForms leave plenty of room for the clutch, you just lose the deadpedal.

 
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The dead pedal was a concern to me as well. I use it. I don't wan't to feel like I've got nowhere to put my foot when I am on the highway. How are you dealing with your loss?

 
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i keep forgetting to take a pic for you. it does take a little getting used to....not having the dead pedal anymore but it's not that bad. also, it does not interfere with the clutch at all.

 
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Good to know. Still want that pic though. LOL.

 
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Do you value your dead pedal that much is the question you have ot ask yourself. Someone ran the drivers side all the way down to the rear seat though toavoid killing their deadpedal. It'll look funny, but that's an option.

 
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Ive only been able to implement one solution to retain "use" of the dead pedal. I lost an inch or an inch and a half of it, and even still I can only get my foot there when I wear converse all stars.

and the way to do it involved cutting out lots of metal from the kickpanel area. It might change the way your car crumples in an accident, too. but sinking the motor in there is the only way I can think of short of only running 2"ish and smaller speakers in the kick area.

 
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this is as big as a kick can be. the motor is 3.25 inches deep, and a kickpanel in this style saves room by replacing the stock kickpanel, but still causes staging issues, primarily a VERY narrow stage when installed with the speaker so far on axis:



by cutting out the space in there (which took me about five hours and eight or so air body saw blades due to doubling and trippling of metal sheeting in that location) I was able to sink the magnet in there. However, even using this method, my first attempt at it left me with just over an inch taken away. even at just an inch taken, I cant fit the plastic dead pedal back in and am left with only the carpet there. Furthermore, I cant fit my foot there unless I wear those allstars.

I should say its still far more space than before, with the narrow kicks.

I now have all the width I could get. not perfect, but easily easily from a-pillar to a-pillar. but in doing this, I have my speakers far more off axis, which may not work out for your speakers at all. certainly mine arent ideal nearly fully off axis. which is what youll have to do to gain the further inch to put the stock deadpedal back in.




can't lose the deadpedal and also unwilling to trim the metal? not a good idea to run kicks, then.

 
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http://www.sounddomain.com/memberpage/321753/7

here is the DIY I followed

 
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I love the last picture. How is the imaging on those kicks? Also, could you have saved time with a hole saw makeing holes in strategic locations and then cutting with a blade?

 
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That's good stuff Rabbit. Good look, keeping those kicks so flushed like that. That's a bad-*** DIY. Personally, I think the PG killed those sweet kicks. Oh well. I never saw those before - nice. It's not that I am unwilling to lose the deadpedal, I'm just wondering if anyone else regrets it.

 
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I certainly dont regret it, from day one I figured it was a goner, so I trained myself to put my foot in other places. When I drive around town, I would put my foot i nfront of the clutch directly, and for long long trips, I set cruise and put my foot behind the clutch on the carpet. daily ill just float over the pedal.

tbaleno, ask me again in a few months, I'm actually not using them at the moment. I had issues with staging I *think* was related to putting the tweeter above the mid as opposed to below it inside the kick area. imaging was decent. slightly scrunched to the sides, but all my installs seem that way, and ive been having a hell of a time tuning that out. Anyways, Ive been experimenting lately with a dual install and dont have the drivers yet I want to put in the kicks, so it may be a little while before I get the chance to really get down to the nitty gritty of tuning.

but my prediction is that they are just too far off axis to properly stage.

im sure you know how the installers car is, always changing, never done....

 
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Do you have a coupe or sedan? I have a sedan would would love to try out some pg elites in those kicks. Any chance of making a set molded from them I have my tweets in the a-pillar so they wouldn't need to be located in the kick. Would that make them any thinner?

 
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that DIY is great, but its not a safe mod to say the least. Im a firefighter, and the first thing they taught us in vehicle extrication is to go at that same spot were you removed material from with the jaws of life so the whole vehicle will become easier to tear apart. With unibody construction, as soon as you cut into the rocker panel, the whole car sags, because the tension of the car is what supports it, instead of frame rails which were on older cars. The cuts you described will not compromise the car's safety all together, because the outer portion of the rocker panel is still intact. But, if your car is involved in a crash, the car will sustain much more damage, and you have a greater chance of the dash being forced down, pinning you in the drivers seat.

 
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if you are talking about the kicks that replace the stock panels, you can have them. I have a coupe, dunno if they will fit a sedan. but I cant bring myself ot toss the old kicks, despite their condition, which is a little worse for wear considering their age and storage and all.

nothing a little TLC wont totally fix, but they are admittedly in a little pain.

Ill sell them to you for dirt if you are really interested, they are just taking up space in my garage.

if you mean the slim kicks, they are integrated into the car. no way ot mold off of those or make them for anyone else.

not to mention those who wish to attempt it must consider what grenloch has said and accept the risks.

edit: this is what the passenger side looks like

 
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Yeah, I was talking about the slim ones. I'm wondering if its possible to reinforce the hole to avoide structural issues.

 
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You don't find that setup to interfere with leg room at all, do youi?

 
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not the slim ones, not at all.

tbaleno, its a full one off job. yes you can absolutely reinforce the frame, if you have any beaner friends who like hydro's, they would be the guys to ask about that one. Id assume just some bar stock welded under the framing would suffice, but I am no expert. perhaps grenloch would be a good resource in that department, too. keep in mind though, any advice he would give would probably be more geared for how to make key points stronger, making it more difficult to use the jaws of life on your car in case of emergency

anyways, no way to mold anything, as its all done to the frame itself.

as to the old setup, didnt interferre either, passengers just put their feet on the sub grill ;p