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Old Sep 1, 2005
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Phantom Grip LSD Conversion Kit

I was lookin for a LSD for my 2002 civic lx and I came across this. It says

" 84-03 Honda CRX, EX, DX Trans=Any
Note: SOHC/DOHC (VTEC/non-VTEC)"

So do you think this would work on my 7thgen or what? This would be really nice since no one makes a real LSD for our cars.

http://www.phantomgrip.com/product_l...hp?make=Honda#

I am going to send them an e-mail and see what they say
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a member bought one along time ago but never installed it..... wasn't it riceburner or someone?
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the phantom grip one isnt a true lsd. under a large load itll shatter about twice as fast as say a quaife one
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twice as fast? ... well, I've -never- heard of a quaife lsd breaking ....
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this isnt an LSD.

basically, this is 2 steel plates that install between the gears in the spider gears of your tranny. They have 4 strong springs that load the gears, which keep them from letting one side slip.

They are good for a relatively low powered car (say stock, small mods). But once you start making some decent power, one tire will slip anyway. It will just compress the springs, and one gear will slip.
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st wanted to show that it will break twice as fast as a normal lsd lol
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Originally Posted by turboengnr
this isnt an LSD.

basically, this is 2 steel plates that install between the gears in the spider gears of your tranny. They have 4 strong springs that load the gears, which keep them from letting one side slip.

They are good for a relatively low powered car (say stock, small mods). But once you start making some decent power, one tire will slip anyway. It will just compress the springs, and one gear will slip.
then what would you suggest if i wanted to get an LSD for my car?
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A quaife from a 6thgen
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Originally Posted by MiamiUgen7
then what would you suggest if i wanted to get an LSD for my car?
swap a k20a.
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Originally Posted by TheSmuggler
A quaife from a 6thgen
does it fit fine?

Originally Posted by CarbonFly
swap a k20a.
haha i only wish i had the cash for that, boost will have to do for now i guess
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I have no hard proof that it fits fine, but I do recall Opto found that it should fit properly.
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I have one for Sale unused if anyone wants it. %50 of the price I paid for it. I naver installed it, because I don't have the access to a good place that does tranny stuff.
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pics?
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ive been looking for an LSD for my vic since i got it. i heard of the quaife one but its never been sold for 7th gens. and 50% of 900? or how much. i don't have the money, i just want to know how much it ran you
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I have to check to be sure, but I think it was around $300 when I got it. I will sell it for $150.
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holy **** 150????? used or new??? thats awesome price
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Its not an LSD, its like a locker. From what I've heard from nearly everyone, they're pure **** and they break.
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Originally Posted by Boilermaker1
Its not an LSD, its like a locker. From what I've heard from nearly everyone, they're pure **** and they break.

Maybe you should offer proof before stating that!
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All it is is a spring loaded friction disk. Its a locker. But it wears out quickly because its just a clutch. Its not a gear set like a Quaife, its not helical or viscous, and its not a 16 or 32 plate wet clutch like a Kaaz, its a little clutch that keeps your diff from slipping. It costs you god knows how much to put in and you need to keep taking it out and fixing it. All it takes is a bit of technical know how to comprehend how it works and some common sense to figure out when something is $300 and all the rest are $600+ something got cheaped.
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If are still selling them then I doubt that they are **** & break all the time. I don't think that they are for 300+ HP applications, but for a 7th gen vic with a turbo boosting 5-8 psi, and some other basic performance mods it should not be busting. When you get into the full racing setup then a stronger LSD type should be employed for sure.
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Originally Posted by canadian2k1si
If are still selling them then I doubt that they are **** & break all the time. I don't think that they are for 300+ HP applications, but for a 7th gen vic with a turbo boosting 5-8 psi, and some other basic performance mods it should not be busting. When you get into the full racing setup then a stronger LSD type should be employed for sure.
Whatever. Companies sell stuff that breaks all the time. No matter how much it breaks, they still sell it to make money.
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^ford for example
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^ford for example
damn, i was about to say that, then i get to the bottom and BAM you beat me to it.
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OK whatever ,anyway - I have one of these Phantom Grip's for sale if someone wants to buy it for $150. It might break I have no idea, it has not been used yet!
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Or instead of a quaife you could get an OBX LSD from ebay for about $400...Last I checked.

The OBX's were supposed to be damn close knockoffs of quiafes, they even handle a shitload of power - there were a few threads on honda-tech about them a while back.

The 6th gen LSD should fit the 7th gen tranny - according to the specs. From what I know, no-one on here has done it though - just a few members have the crappy phantom grip (sorry canadian2k1si - no rip on you).

I honestly wouldn't waste my money on that, esp since the teardown cost to install it are the same weather you have a true LSD or well, a phantom grip.
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oh - here's an ebay link for an OBX:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/OBX-L...spagenameZWDVW
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