Thoughts on Custom Supercharger
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Thoughts on Custom Supercharger
Ok, I searched and found a few threads on superchargers for the D17. The most informative post was by Likeweeeee when he proposed the idea of extending a rod accross the engine bay that would support the pully system. (won't get into detail, but I'm sure most of you know what I mean) I also saw posts from people saying that it wouldn't be worth it because we have FWD cars (don't know what that's all about), and that it would take away too much power. Now, I'm just looking for ideas for a custom SC setup. I know that we'd have to get a custom intake manifold made, design some sort of pully system, and relocate a few things such as the battery. But for those of you that have thought about this, or have knowledge of SC setups, please post your views. I'm just curious as to how this could be done (b/c I know it can be done). Also, has anyone successfully supercharged a 7thgen?
anything is possible, but turbo is cheaper, and can produce way more power, although is riskier, and a bit more complicated
superchargers are good though, i just think they are much more functional on high displacement engines, turbos can pull more out of the d17 i mean look at the few turbo on this site, for around 5 grand(how much my parts are costing IF you DIY) there getting around orabove 200 hp(with fuelsys and engine mods 250 possible ez)
no one here has supercharged d17, as far as ive heard ive been on every day for months
as for people that compain about fwd and how slow 7th gens are and how no one needs a wing or no power mods do anything on our cars
there isnt much point of being here then lol. there are plenty of superchargers made for other civics and fwd cars and they work great if thats what you want
superchargers are good though, i just think they are much more functional on high displacement engines, turbos can pull more out of the d17 i mean look at the few turbo on this site, for around 5 grand(how much my parts are costing IF you DIY) there getting around orabove 200 hp(with fuelsys and engine mods 250 possible ez)
no one here has supercharged d17, as far as ive heard ive been on every day for months
as for people that compain about fwd and how slow 7th gens are and how no one needs a wing or no power mods do anything on our cars
there isnt much point of being here then lol. there are plenty of superchargers made for other civics and fwd cars and they work great if thats what you want
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The bar across the engine bay is has been done before. The Comptech kit for the Accord V6 has a drive shaft that goes across the engine bay. The thing with superchargers is they take HP to make HP whereas turbos are free HP since they run off exhaust gas. So supercharging a 4 banger isn't as effecient in most cases because they don't have much power to give in the first place. I don't see why a centrifugal supercharger (like a Vortech) couldn't be adapted to work in our cars. Yes you'd have to move the battery, but I don't think you'd have to change the vertical throttle arrangement.... since there's a pipe between the S/C and the throttle. I would get a stronger manifold though, I wouldn't trust the plastic one for too long. And yes, you'd have to run a drive shaft across the front of the engine to get to the pulleys to power it. It would get cramped, but if you wanted to pull it off, I think you could. Take a look at the Vortech B16 kit.... I think it would end up being similar to that one.
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[hr]Originally posted by: Boilermaker1
The bar across the engine bay is has been done before. The Comptech kit for the Accord V6 has a drive shaft that goes across the engine bay. The thing with superchargers is they take HP to make HP whereas turbos are free HP since they run off exhaust gas. So supercharging a 4 banger isn't as effecient in most cases because they don't have much power to give in the first place. I don't see why a centrifugal supercharger (like a Vortech) couldn't be adapted to work in our cars. Yes you'd have to move the battery, but I don't think you'd have to change the vertical throttle arrangement.... since there's a pipe between the S/C and the throttle. I would get a stronger manifold though, I wouldn't trust the plastic one for too long. And yes, you'd have to run a drive shaft across the front of the engine to get to the pulleys to power it. It would get cramped, but if you wanted to pull it off, I think you could. Take a look at the Vortech B16 kit.... I think it would end up being similar to that one.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: Boilermaker1
The bar across the engine bay is has been done before. The Comptech kit for the Accord V6 has a drive shaft that goes across the engine bay. The thing with superchargers is they take HP to make HP whereas turbos are free HP since they run off exhaust gas. So supercharging a 4 banger isn't as effecient in most cases because they don't have much power to give in the first place. I don't see why a centrifugal supercharger (like a Vortech) couldn't be adapted to work in our cars. Yes you'd have to move the battery, but I don't think you'd have to change the vertical throttle arrangement.... since there's a pipe between the S/C and the throttle. I would get a stronger manifold though, I wouldn't trust the plastic one for too long. And yes, you'd have to run a drive shaft across the front of the engine to get to the pulleys to power it. It would get cramped, but if you wanted to pull it off, I think you could. Take a look at the Vortech B16 kit.... I think it would end up being similar to that one.[hr]
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Yes but back pressure on an engine originally without forced induction can help in some respects by allowing the motor at lower rpms to make more tourque. This helps rev a lil quicker, spooling up the turbo.
Go for it man!! A supercharged 7thgen on this site would be great. Instead of one day having a turbo forum, we could have a forced induction forum. Either way good look, boost is definately the way to go. TAKE A MOTHER LOAD OF PICTURES. We all wanna see this baby go down.
Go for it man!! A supercharged 7thgen on this site would be great. Instead of one day having a turbo forum, we could have a forced induction forum. Either way good look, boost is definately the way to go. TAKE A MOTHER LOAD OF PICTURES. We all wanna see this baby go down.
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anything is possible, but turbo is cheaper[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: mykungfuisthebest
anything is possible, but turbo is cheaper[hr]
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under boost turbos will not add backpressure....and no you dont want backpressure AT ALL. you want exhaust velocity. people think that because you stick big pipes on you lose torque, which you do, because you lose velocity because you are pushing the same amount of gas through a large pipe. take a straw, blow down it, feel how fast it comes out. take a 2" dia pvc pipe and blow down that. exactly.
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If someone built a successful kit, it wouldn't take much convincing, other than safety issues, for me to buy it. I'd much rather have an SC instead of a TC coz this is my daily driver.
Why exactly is a supercharger better than a turbo, and why would a turbo require lots of maintenence if i was only doing 4-5 psi daily and 8 when i really needed it, sometimes excessively cause you know you couldnt put it on low boost all the time[IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG] Wouldn't the engine still last pretty long? I was told that the block was tested to handle up to 12psi
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[hr]Originally posted by: cdmx
Why exactly is a supercharger better than a turbo, and why would a turbo require lots of maintenence if i was only doing 4-5 psi daily and 8 when i really needed it, sometimes excessively cause you know you couldnt put it on low boost all the time[IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG] Wouldn't the engine still last pretty long? I was told that the block was tested to handle up to 12psi[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: cdmx
Why exactly is a supercharger better than a turbo, and why would a turbo require lots of maintenence if i was only doing 4-5 psi daily and 8 when i really needed it, sometimes excessively cause you know you couldnt put it on low boost all the time[IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG] Wouldn't the engine still last pretty long? I was told that the block was tested to handle up to 12psi[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: cdmx
Why exactly is a supercharger better than a turbo, and why would a turbo require lots of maintenence if i was only doing 4-5 psi daily and 8 when i really needed it, sometimes excessively cause you know you couldnt put it on low boost all the time[IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG] Wouldn't the engine still last pretty long? I was told that the block was tested to handle up to 12psi[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: cdmx
Why exactly is a supercharger better than a turbo, and why would a turbo require lots of maintenence if i was only doing 4-5 psi daily and 8 when i really needed it, sometimes excessively cause you know you couldnt put it on low boost all the time[IMG]i/expressions/demon.gif[/IMG] Wouldn't the engine still last pretty long? I was told that the block was tested to handle up to 12psi[hr]
I don't remember why the turbo needs more maintenance... someone else is gonna have to answer that.
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The reason turbos are a little higher maintenance is because they are integrated into your exhaust system. A turbo also consists of two compressor housings, and two impellers which are joined together......as opposed to a supercharger which consists of one compressor housing and impeller. Not only does the turbo have an extra turbine working on the exhaust side, but this turbine (along with the whole turbo) is exposed to excessive amounts of heat, which in turn cause more wear and tear on the impellers and bearings. And wear and tear lead to oil leaks, exhaust leaks, and other problems, which require you to make adjustments, or rebuild the turbo. Superchargers, on the otherhand, are belt driven and have one turbine that involves the intake system only, which is cooler air. So you have the cooler operating temperatures, and the less complicated assembly of the supercharger, therefore there is less wear, tear, and maintenance. (or something like that...)
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If someone built a successful kit, it wouldn't take much convincing, other than safety issues, for me to buy it. I'd much rather have an SC instead of a TC coz this is my daily driver.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: white2K2EX
If someone built a successful kit, it wouldn't take much convincing, other than safety issues, for me to buy it. I'd much rather have an SC instead of a TC coz this is my daily driver.[hr]
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