Considering a Swap
08-07-2002
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Considering a Swap
I am considering doing a swap in my 7th gen, like htown. But I am just curious on which motors will fit in our cars. Also if you were to do a swap, which engine would you put in and why?
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Rep Power: 0 the k20 would be the easiest to fit... a B16, or B18 can fit..but will require massive amounts of modification. a H22 may fit. But you'd have have power nothing. With the k20 Htown lost his power steering. also a K20 of the same year or newer is the only legal swap that you can do.
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Rep Power: 0 But the k20 swap would run me a minimum of 10k, right? And wouldn't I have to find my own engine plus convince a company to do the install?
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Rep Power: 0 you might be able to do it for less if you find a k20a2 for cheap. look on ebay, give it some time the price of those motors should come down as more and more rsxs get totalled
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Rep Power: 0 I have a honda civic EX 2002. I'm looking to due the k20A2 swap. I've already talked to a guy at HASport and he said they are working on motor mounts for that swap and they should be done in about two months. I'm shooting to do the swap sometime early next year.
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[hr]Originally posted by: BlackSI
you might be able to do it for less if you find a k20a2 for cheap. look on ebay, give it some time the price of those motors should come down as more and more rsxs get totalled[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: BlackSI
you might be able to do it for less if you find a k20a2 for cheap. look on ebay, give it some time the price of those motors should come down as more and more rsxs get totalled[hr]
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[hr]Originally posted by: pleasejoe
k24 block frum new crv, 162 torque, k20b? type s head, wow!![hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: pleasejoe
k24 block frum new crv, 162 torque, k20b? type s head, wow!![hr]
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Rep Power: 0 Well, I know someone who can get brand new k20's for like 6800 shipped, and thats engine, trans, and ecu. Im actually thinking about doing that when HAsport comes out with the mounts or maybe tradin in my civic for a VW GTI VR6, I kinda like the look of those little hatchies.
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Rep Power: 0 Let's clear up a few things. The K series motor fits no easier than the B-series and the mounts (if you are talking bolt in kit) are a little trickier to make. There is room for the powersteering pump, the pulley rubs the hood, but a little trimming fixes that. I think the reason Htown didn't have powersteering, is IB didn't have a hose that would work.
As for the cost of the swap, It will probably run a $1000 to $2000 in parts including mount kit depending on what all you can get from the donor car. The typical K20A2 engine with trans, axles, linkage and all the other odds and ends, is going for $5000 to $7000. So a legitimate price for the swap, not including labor, will be $6500 to $9000.
As for a B-series, a mount kit would be pretty easy to make but the wiring would be a problem. The 2001 up ECUs are pretty integrtated into the entire car's operation, not to mention it would not run any B-series engine effectively. The choice would probably be either some sort of piggyback or stand alone system. A piggyback is probably how I will look at it first when the time comes.
As for the mighty H-series engine, almost assuredly a shortened intake manifold will be required to make the engine fit. With that, the mount kit will be no harder to make than one for the b-series engines. Wiring poses the same problems as with a b-series engine.
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As for the cost of the swap, It will probably run a $1000 to $2000 in parts including mount kit depending on what all you can get from the donor car. The typical K20A2 engine with trans, axles, linkage and all the other odds and ends, is going for $5000 to $7000. So a legitimate price for the swap, not including labor, will be $6500 to $9000.
As for a B-series, a mount kit would be pretty easy to make but the wiring would be a problem. The 2001 up ECUs are pretty integrtated into the entire car's operation, not to mention it would not run any B-series engine effectively. The choice would probably be either some sort of piggyback or stand alone system. A piggyback is probably how I will look at it first when the time comes.
As for the mighty H-series engine, almost assuredly a shortened intake manifold will be required to make the engine fit. With that, the mount kit will be no harder to make than one for the b-series engines. Wiring poses the same problems as with a b-series engine.
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[hr]Originally posted by: nightkids1
ok, If the k20 cost way to much, why not get the new si engine instead, or is it almost the same size.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: nightkids1
ok, If the k20 cost way to much, why not get the new si engine instead, or is it almost the same size.[hr]
the new Si is a K20A3...
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[hr]Oh yeah, I also asked about the possibility of a B-series swap. Jeff and Jerry both said that a B-series motor could probably use our stock mounts and would have no problems fitting in and wiring up. In fact, swapping in a B-series would probably be easier than the K-series swap they just did.[hr]
[hr]Oh yeah, I also asked about the possibility of a B-series swap. Jeff and Jerry both said that a B-series motor could probably use our stock mounts and would have no problems fitting in and wiring up. In fact, swapping in a B-series would probably be easier than the K-series swap they just did.[hr]
Here.
Looks like they know something you dont.
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[hr]Originally posted by: NeoMagus
the new Si is a K20A3...[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: NeoMagus
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[hr]Originally posted by: nightkids1
ok, If the k20 cost way to much, why not get the new si engine instead, or is it almost the same size.[hr]
[hr]Originally posted by: nightkids1
ok, If the k20 cost way to much, why not get the new si engine instead, or is it almost the same size.[hr]
the new Si is a K20A3...
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like i said the new si engine fool!
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[hr]like i said the new si engine fool![hr]
[hr]like i said the new si engine fool![hr]
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Rep Power: 0 I am aware of what was said Neo, but having looked at these engines, bodies and ofcourse the wiring side by side, I would disagree. Time will tell though, I am sure one of these swaps is underway somewhere.
In my opinion, although the mounts may not need to be changed, the brackets from the mounts to the engines will probably have to be fabbed or modified. I do believe that once the bugs have been worked out on the B-series swap, by whoever, it will be a less expensive alternative and in some ways easier. That is why we will offer a mount kit some time after the K series mount kit is available. But, until someone offers a wiring kit or extensive tech, that will be the major sticking point and dissuade the average DIYer.
BTW the RSX Type S and 02 Si have the same intake manifold, only the base model RSX has the two-stage manifold. As for being the same engine, lets just say externally they share similar dimensions and internally the same bore and stroke. It also looks as though the K20A3 from the RSX will not be a good swap choice due to the size of the intake manifold.
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In my opinion, although the mounts may not need to be changed, the brackets from the mounts to the engines will probably have to be fabbed or modified. I do believe that once the bugs have been worked out on the B-series swap, by whoever, it will be a less expensive alternative and in some ways easier. That is why we will offer a mount kit some time after the K series mount kit is available. But, until someone offers a wiring kit or extensive tech, that will be the major sticking point and dissuade the average DIYer.
BTW the RSX Type S and 02 Si have the same intake manifold, only the base model RSX has the two-stage manifold. As for being the same engine, lets just say externally they share similar dimensions and internally the same bore and stroke. It also looks as though the K20A3 from the RSX will not be a good swap choice due to the size of the intake manifold.
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Rep Power: 0 importbuilders also said something about not wanting to do the k20 swap again. they grossly underestimated the price for htown's swap, and the next k20 swap they do will cost a lot more. anyway - just save your cash for the EVO that's coming out or a RSX. swaps are a huge waste for us right now.
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