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OK, I've been trying to do research regarding this subject because I want to make sure I do everything correctly and not blow my shizm up. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

1 - No need for an MSD
2 - No need for FPR
3 - Need Header (still debating which one DC or HP? help!)
4 - Should get rid of cat or get high flow cat [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]
5 - NX Kit is one of the best options.
6 - 50 - 75 shot is about all out motors can take.
7 - New Performance Clutch will be needed.


OK this is what I plan on doing (hopefully) for sure:
NX N2O Kit. Header. Performance Clutch.

This is what I wanna know:
Should I wait for the HP to correct fitting problems on header?
Or just get the DC Sports Ceramic?
Should I get a Centerforce Clutch?
Do I remove my cat, or just get a high performance one?

I've searched this topic and have found information, but some if it conflicts and so do the things i have been told verbally. I just wanna settle the whole thing once and for all so that when I am ready to get started on this project I know what to do.

P.S. I heard Honda Tuning published something about this whole N2O thing and am gonna get my hands on it for further reference. Does anyone know if it's a DIY?

 
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Yah it's a diy, it goes through all the steps with some pretty good pictures. It's actually posted here on the site under the DIY in the technical forum - if you don't want to bother picking up the mag.

That's the only question I can answer!
Redsands

 
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Thanks Redsands. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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yea, ive been checkin a bit on it too.......dont know much.....seems like you have it pretty good,,
Delacampos knows everything though

what NX kit??? base,,,,,,, I would get the genx ........remote bottle opener, heater, safety valve.......all the goodies you'll need.......I definatly want opener,,,,and you def. need bottle HEATER and safety..
peace...........OH.....personalyy i wouldnt go over a 50 sht..............Delacampos is running 75.....whooo....thats nutty....
in the honda tun. mag,,,,,the torque was pushin @ 200+....thatss a grip!!!!!!!and thats w/ 50 shot.
peace
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a 50 shot would be much better for your engine, I'd suggest that if your goin' nuts you wait for the hp header/high flow cat.

 
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<< OK, I've been trying to do research regarding this subject because I want to make sure I do everything correctly and not blow my shizm up. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

1 - No need for an MSD
2 - No need for FPR
3 - Need Header (still debating which one DC or HP? help!)
4 - Should get rid of cat or get high flow cat [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif[/IMG]
5 - NX Kit is one of the best options.
6 - 50 - 75 shot is about all out motors can take.
7 - New Performance Clutch will be needed.

OK this is what I plan on doing (hopefully) for sure:
NX N2O Kit. Header. Performance Clutch.

This is what I wanna know:
Should I wait for the HP to correct fitting problems on header?
Or just get the DC Sports Ceramic?
Should I get a Centerforce Clutch?
Do I remove my cat, or just get a high performance one?

I've searched this topic and have found information, but some if it conflicts and so do the things i have been told verbally. I just wanna settle the whole thing once and for all so that when I am ready to get started on this project I know what to do.

P.S. I heard Honda Tuning published something about this whole N2O thing and am gonna get my hands on it for further reference. Does anyone know if it's a DIY? >>



you don't need an upgraded ignition or fpr when only doing a 50shot...do not go any higher b/c the 7g civics fuel system is returnless (6g and older had another pressurized fuel line that went back to the fuel tank where it could help force more fuel back to the engine) and won't be able to bolt on a higher pressure fpr...someone will fix this eventually

get a wet kit to help deter detonation...i'm not too familiar with the nx kit

you do not need a new clutch (unless yours is gone) with nitrous...when you spray the clutch is already fully engaged and won't be a problem (if you had a turbo or a built engine and where at shift pionts the drivetrain had to deal with the extra power then you'd need it)

you can gut the cat so it still looks legal...however i think the cat is on the manifold...don't worry about the exhaust...just enjoy the 50 shot for a while before adding more stuff

 
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<< you don't need an upgraded ignition or fpr when only doing a 50shot...do not go any higher b/c the 7g civics fuel system is returnless (6g and older had another pressurized fuel line that went back to the fuel tank where it could help force more fuel back to the engine) and won't be able to bolt on a higher pressure fpr...someone will fix this eventually

get a wet kit to help deter detonation...i'm not too familiar with the nx kit

you do not need a new clutch (unless yours is gone) with nitrous...when you spray the clutch is already fully engaged and won't be a problem (if you had a turbo or a built engine and where at shift pionts the drivetrain had to deal with the extra power then you'd need it)

you can gut the cat so it still looks legal...however i think the cat is on the manifold...don't worry about the exhaust...just enjoy the 50 shot for a while before adding more stuff >>



Thanks for the info. I was kinda thinkin of only a 50 shot anyway, to be ont he safe side.

Only reason I'm considering a clutch is simply because I know of at least one person who sprayed their car and supposedly their clutch was pretty much gone soon thereafter.

As far as the cat goes, I'd really like HP to make a header with a hogh flow cat. But if they would at least fix the fitting problems, I wouldnt mind getting rid of mine. We don't have emissions here anymore.

I kinda figured an FPR and the MSD were useless at this point. But thanks for clearing it up on the wet vs. dry issue. I had heard alot of different things. But it seems like the dry kit is winning out at this point.

Does anyone know how much that genx kit trevor mentioned goes for? seems like it comes with alot of goodies. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] I want a purge too. WOnder if that's alot extra? Well, any more info u guys can provide and suggestions are great too!

 
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WTF NO EMISSIONS IN MIAMI ??????????????



im in california, smog-check city..... can i sleep in your garage, or at least register my car to your address and "move" there but just live here??? [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG]

 
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<< WTF NO EMISSIONS IN MIAMI ??????????????



im in california, smog-check city..... can i sleep in your garage, or at least register my car to your address and "move" there but just live here??? [IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG][IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG] >>



[IMG]i/expressions/laugh2.gif[/IMG] LoL Long as we don't get in trouble legally!!! But yeah, they eliminated emissions for cars a certain model year and over about a year ago. YAY!

 
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Spdrcrchic......the kit runs around 1000-2000........and yea i forgot,,, Purge comes w/ it.......
the base kit doesnt have bottle heater(which is a must,,,only unless you livve in jamaca)........and the safety vavle...(the name says it all).......purge++........
to buy the kit and then add the goodies,, it'll cost you a lot.
peace, trevor
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Ohhh, and if you use it often, yes you will need a clutch.......Delacampos has already relaced his....
obviously 1 time a month 50 shot youll be fine, but other wise.
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Well I don't live in jamaica thats for sure. But I do live in Miami and it's always hot here. don't know if I have much use for that bottle warmer. But I will def. consider it. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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OK, so i've done some thinking and researching and here is what i have decided so far. I am prolly going to go with the GENX kit. I am also prolly going to wait for HP to correct fitting problems and go with the HP header. And finally, I am going to try to get the kit with the most options (i.e. bottle warmer, bottle opener, etc.) which means I may have to skip on the perforamnce clutch for a short while. But hey, little by little right? Thanks for all your help everyone.


Does anyone know if direct port is possible or wise on our cars? I still appreciate any more info you guys have for me.

 
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<< OK, so i've done some thinking and researching and here is what i have decided so far. I am prolly going to go with the GENX kit. I am also prolly going to wait for HP to correct fitting problems and go with the HP header. And finally, I am going to try to get the kit with the most options (i.e. bottle warmer, bottle opener, etc.) which means I may have to skip on the perforamnce clutch for a short while. But hey, little by little right? Thanks for all your help everyone. >>



why replace a perfectly good working clutch...use it up and save then get a better one (make sure you don't go too overboard...if you aren't going to do much more modifications...usually a stage 2 will handle bolt ons and 50 shot and still make it streetable...stage 3/4 to racing clutches are harder to daily drive)...you should also consider getting a lightened flywheel either by having your stock one lightened or getting an aftermarket unit...heavy flywheels are a parasitic loss and reduce whp

 
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since we are on the nitrous subject.. what was the stage thingy on the computer in the eclipse in f&f? i don't get it...

 
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get a DC header.....ceramic coated will be fine, stainless if you wanna spend a lil more and if the area you live in is ruogh weather

 
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Yeah I hear ya JAJE. The clutch is going to have to wait a while anyway. I wanna try to get the kit with the most options. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]. I am prolly going to go with an HP header...if they decide to correct those fitting problems. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] If not DC Ceramic Header. But I really hope to get the HP. Who knows. I still gotta wait for that income tax cash to get here.

 
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<< Yeah I hear ya JAJE. The clutch is going to have to wait a while anyway. I wanna try to get the kit with the most options. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif[/IMG]. I am prolly going to go with an HP header...if they decide to correct those fitting problems. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] If not DC Ceramic Header. But I really hope to get the HP. Who knows. I still gotta wait for that income tax cash to get here. >>



i'm gonna sound like an old guy (i'm getting close to 30 [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-sad.gif[/IMG]) but put away every income tax refund you get...someday you'll want to buy a house or need emergency money...putting it away in a cd or money market will help you in the long run...its just a trade off...i did this and my wife and i used it to help make a downpayment on our first house (years before we thought we could afford one)...now i have a garage to work on my car!!!!!!

 
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Gee I was thinking about selling my house and buying a really nice car.

 
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I got 10K waiting for me when i graduate to buy a house. AND I have other $$ put away for that purpose. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG]

 
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your stock clutch will last for a while with the 50 shot jets in. an aftermarket clutch just utilizes the power thats there, better. the centerforce dual friction is a nice clutch. i had one in my old accord. IMO, its a bit too much for your application. the exedy i have now is real nice too. pedal feel is almost stock whereas the dual friction was definitely stiffer. about the lightened flywheel... its your call. just don't go with a 7lb. IMO, its too light. when you spray, the rpm needle jumps. i can only imagine how fast it would move with the lightened flywheel. zex makes like a 9 lb or 10 lb that worth looking in to.

i would go with the gen-x2 package. it includes a heater, bottle gauge, pressure safety switch, blow down cap and tube, and a purge kit. the gen-x3 package is all the above and a pro fitting. the pro fitting allows you to monitor the bottle pressure with the bottle closed. this a great item to have so that you don't waste n2o opening and closing the bottle to see what the psi is. i believe you have to buy the bottle opener seperate. like Trevor said, you're looking at about $1000 for everything.

keep your cat! remember, you're not always going to be spraying. you don't want your car to suffer performance wise when N/A. no cat= no low end. you don't NEED a header but you'll see better gains when spraying. either one will work.

don't forget that you need colder plugs and you must run 92+ octane.

direct port is possible but you won't see anymore gains than you would see with a single fogger kit running low shots, i.e. 50 -75. now if you plan on spraying a 125 shot-up, then direct port is the way to go. nitrous distribution is the concern here. a direct port kit is just the safer route.

did i forget anything?

 
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Well thanks for the info!!! You've been extremely helpful. It seems like the cluctch will indeed wait a while. And I am going to try and get the GenX kit with ALL the goodies (i.e. bottle warmer, remote bottle opener, and the purge kit). I read the article in Honda Tuning about this setup in the 2k1 and the results it yields are quite impressive. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed and trying to do everything appropriately in order to avoid unecessary problems.

I will look into the clutch you mentioned. And I think I am going to go with the HP header. [IMG]i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif[/IMG] And will probably NOT remove the catalytic. Like you said...my N'A performance will suffer in that case and I wanna do some research regarding a high-flow catalytic. Which brand spark plugs do you recommend? Againt hanks fora ll the info.