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Old Sep 16, 2005
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Drive by Wire

Hey guys what the heck is this drive-by-wire stuff in the new civic SI...i saw on their website that they had it trademarked...an explanation would be nice...

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Old Sep 16, 2005
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It means there no actual wire connected to the TB, it's all electronic, I was felt that there was some lag on cars with this e.g. BMW, Mercedes.
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http://www.pitt.edu/~tas36/interesting%20event.html

this gives you an idea of drive by wire. But the idea of drive by wire is to replace the mechanical linkages with sensors that will do the job. For example Instead of having a throttle cable control your throttle movement, there will be a sensor and actuator that will sense how much pedal movement there is and will send signals to a computer which in turn will open the throttle valve. It is supposed to be used to delete human error. Also save weight. here is another good example of electronic throttle by wire system

http://www.picotech.com/auto/applica...e_control.html

this is why luxury cars are so expensive. They use 10X more electronics then regular cars. Another reason why they are always in the shop for repairs.
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streetglower gave a good eplanation. The more electronics, the costlier the repair. In addition, it is hard to use throttle steer with DBW which means it isn't going to be liked by racers. I can completely see hardcore dudes pulling it out and replacing it with manual throttle control.
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Some people have replaced the TSX DBW system with the RSX Drive by linkage system to go boosted. Apparently, the drive by wire system allows you to fall out of revs too much becasue of the actuator lag which is not a good thing. Its said that the SI's system is better than the TSX and you can keep revs better
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the normal 8thgen civics with the r18 have DBWT too. i test drove one the other day, and didnt like the DBW at all.
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I think the 2005 Mustang is drive by wire too...I don't like the idea of a computer telling me how much fuel and air to dump into the chamber...
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Most all cars are going DBW now. In many ways, it's easier & cheaper for the MFG. The throttle, Idle control & cruise control can all be combined in one piece of hardware. Also, it allows them to control the maximum rate of change of throttle which makes the emissions easier to control.

However, it's going to be a real PITA to mod cars with DBW. The factory ECU now has throttle control over your engine and if it thinks you are going too fast, or revving too high, it will start closing the throttle on you.
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It also reduces emissions. Between shifts, the ETB (electronic throttle body) will close partially to reduce emissions and reduce the amount of fuel being used therfore increasing fuel economy and being enviormently friendly.
Many new cars are built this way including the 2005 Mustang and 2005 GTO
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wow thats gonna suck. Lets see whos gonna come up with a device to "adjust the throttle cable"
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Alot of the aftermarket companies are staying away from modifying the DBW components due to the increased potential liability.

Just imagine when little 16yr old johnny drives his car into a lightpole while doing a ricer fly by and then trys to save his *** by telling his mommy that he was driving the speed limit and the car just "started accelerating" and he crashed. Any aftermarket part that is within 5 feet of the DBW system is going to get blamed by little johnnys parents and then the mfg is going to get dragged into court and have to prove that thier product didn't cause the problem.
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haha yup didn't think of that one. but unfortunate. when i drove the sedan, it felt like the "cable" was really loose. Very little response if you press the gas in gear. You have to downshift to make the car go.
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The throttle isn't that bad... It's when they have drive by wire steering you want to stay away form, one of the BMW's has it, everybody has given a negative review. I drove the sedan, thought it was okay. Felt like it was kicking in to help save gas, hence the reason it get 40MPG highway. It does the job.
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I personaly have drivin' many cars with a DBW, and am not impresed. Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Jaguar, Acura, Honda, and some more... Maby I'm old school on this, but many of you seem to agree. I just dont like it. I work in the automotive indistry, and can say from personal account, about 75%-80%, of the mechanical parts replaced on newer cars are electronic. This DBW phase everyone is going to scares me a little. I think it may be a little premature in it's release to the masses.

But thats just MHO.
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i don't like it. car doesn't have nearly the response it should. They set it way too loose so to speak.
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my 03 infiniti Q45 is dbw but i dont mind it...its fast as hell anyways...but than again when ur in a sticky situation it cuts off throttle so u have a less chance of crashing
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I dont think it's premature, I just think it sucks.

The 1996 and later NSX's have had them and alot of the newer Acuras have had them for a few years. So Honda has had a production DBW for 10 years now. I'm not worried about failures, I just would rather have a cable.
 
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