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I had the oportuninty to drive an 04 LX. i have an 04 EX. Ill be damned if the LX was just as fast or slow as my car!! What gives? They are both autos. I thought the geering and the vtec would have made mine quicker, but I really feel like i wated a few thou right now. Both cars have around 20 miles. Heres the kicker. i have a KN drop in and his is a stock paper filter. No other mods.

What gives??

 
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weight difference.
btw, why do you feel like you waisted money? cause you don't have vtec? what about moon roof, body colored mirrors, powered mirrors, and all the extra ex's have?

 
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Did you push it far enough in rpm's for vtec to kick in?

 
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thought LX doesn't have vtec??....

 
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hmm.... dont remember where I got this from, but from what I know, LX has a better bottom end. but sucky top end.

 
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That would be because vtec kicks in for top end. (no lx does not have vtec)

 
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Oh wow The EX VTEC is the VTEC-E. You people should do some research before saying that stuff, that's how people get misguided. Check the search for how SOHC VTEC in our cars work to understand why you're NOT getting a performance boost. Now as for the LX, yes it is lighter and is geared more for acceleration, but which means it has a lower top speed. I know this cause people are constantly posting about mixing and matching actual gears from different trim models in their trannys. If you think you've wasted your money buy a 2000 EX and then you'll have all the same imenities but you'll have the famous y8 manifold and VTEC which will kick in at 5600 r's.

 
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^^^^ actually, I thought the LX had taller ratios.





on a side note:
"VTEC!!!!! Oh sh*t thats FAST!"

 
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there's about a 4whp difference between lx and ex.

 
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4 whp, but also weight difference is probably a few pounds (few meaning 20+). All I know is that I remember people people talking about swapping in the first 3 LX gears to get faster 0-60 times.

 
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the ex is alot heavier. That moonroof, and all the motors and stuff, abs, etc all add up. Its like having an extra person or two riding with you.

 
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http://www.7thgencivic.com/forums/sh...hlight=gearing

but then I get confused by this.... posted by S2Kman a while back....
http://www.hondanews.com/CatID2015?m...asc&archives=t

I have a vid of a person with a turbo EX, and it seems like every gear the car lands 500 RPM higher than my LX.

 
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shoudl i hit you?

a turbo gains 500rpm more then you

... sigh

 
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wtf are you talking about?? it just so happened to be a turbo EX. NA EX, FI EX, whatever, that doesnt change gear ratios.... I'm sure you knew that, but just being an idiot.

 
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Curious has got a point. It may allow you a higher redline, but the ratio from gear to gear stays the same.

 
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yeah, my boss at work says that smaller tires on his truck makes him rev higher in the same gear at the same speed as with stock tires

 
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yeah i agree the gearing on both are similar, so you won't really notice a difference. It doesn't matter if its a ex/lx or manual/auto. The civic is a slow car with the exception of the si and type R.

If you bought a ex for extra speed then you bought the ex for the wrong reasons. Might as well just bought a si or rsx. Most people buy an ex because its comes with abs stock and moonroof and some other extras. The vtec part is more of a marketing thing then a performance add-on.

 
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Jebus! The VTEC on the EX is not meant for performance at all after 2000. If you wanted an EX with real VTEC get a 5g or 6g.

 
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LX civics are just as fast as EX...
no really im serious
however LX civics can run more boost than EX civics. So in FI terms the LX civic is infact better than the EX
EX civics have ABS though
there just 2 cents

 
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how about you read my whole post first, Jebus!!! i said the vtec thing for the ex was more of a marketing thing. i never said it was for performance. I didnt buy a civic for performance, i bought it for mpg. If i wanted performance i could've bought a 300zx for 5k and put 2k in mods and have a 13-14second car or a gsx for 10k.

 
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But it's not a marketing thing. It get's me some damn good mpg numbers. I'm getting 34-36 mpg which was the same as my 95's D15. I'd say that VTEC-E is workin pretty good for a marketing thing.

 
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if its not a marketing thing then why even mention it. The 6th gens made vtec famous. Most people dont know the difference between vtec-e and the performance vtec, so most people think vtec is like turbo or something like that. Honda knows this and has capitalized on it. They just mention and let people think what they want.

this is quoted directly from the honda website:

"With a high-performance, 1.7-liter, 127-hp VTEC® engine and 15-inch alloy wheels and tires, the Civic EX Coupe is at the top of its class."

I dont see them mention vtec-e in there statement. *cough cough that equals marketing.

None the less, your previous post implied i said the vtec on the ex was for performance, when i clearly did not. Just read the whole post before you comment or try to flame.

 
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Would have been more clear of your knowledge to say, "...and not a performance add-on."

When you say "than a performance add-on" it implies that it is one, but still less than the comparative. And I didn't flame, that would be calling you a noob or saying you're a dumbass or some ****. I was going on articulation.

 
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Your taking words out of context. You can make that argument, but if you read my whole post then you would know just from the content of my post that i already said the ex was slow in that same post. Why would i think its a performance add on when i already said the car was slow?

Anyways you asked how its marketed and i showed you. You get the general idea. thats how honda markets vtec, some people fall under that trap. Its actually one of the more sucessful marketing ploys to sell cars. Why do you think toyota mentions there vvti, mitsubishi mentions the mivec in there cars descriptions now.

This doesn't even relate to the topic of the thread. Think whatever, i know most of the other people that read my post understood what i said.


In the end, ex civic or lx civic both slow cars...done.

 
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Ex is geared more towards accelaration. LX tranny has LONG *** GEARS, get your facts straight.

 
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actually........ EPA estimates state that the D17A1 got more MPG.... so.... VTEC-E here still doesnt get as good MPG as LX/DX.