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Old Jun 4, 2004
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Swapping out crash bolts...

If I were to pull out the camber bolts, and put stock crashbolts back in, I could in theory add a lot of negative camber and not screw the rest of the alignment up right?
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Yup.... Because you are adjusting the camber at the Knuckle you arnt affecting Toe..
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camber always effects toe.
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How so? when you are adjusting camber with a camber plate you end up adjusting toe because you are changing the angle of the strut. (our steering rack is attached to the strut) When you adjust camber from the knuckle the strut doesnt move, so Toe is not affected.
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Originally Posted by Zzyzx
How so? when you are adjusting camber with a camber plate you end up adjusting toe because you are changing the angle of the strut. (our steering rack is attached to the strut) When you adjust camber from the knuckle the strut doesnt move, so Toe is not affected.

The man's got a point.
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if you do think about the angle, however, you are adjusting the toe, but ever so slightly because of the steering arm being attached the way it is. it won't be much but it will still slightly change the toe.
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stupid question, what are 'crash bolts' ? is it where the strut ataches to the knuckle, those bottom two bolts???
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Originally Posted by CrazyCakes
stupid question, what are 'crash bolts' ? is it where the strut ataches to the knuckle, those bottom two bolts???

Uh...yes....
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The main crash bolt would be the top bolt attached to the mount. Either one can change the angle, but the top one is better to use.
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When you adjust camber through the crash bolts, the toe becomes offset everso slightly as previously mentioned (but drastically less than adjusting camber via camber plates). Have you guys who have used crash bolts (smaller diameter than stock) experienced any slippage? I've heard the crash bolts tend to slip out of alignment during hard cornering.
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not that I am aware of, but then again i really haven't checked. It is hard to tell because the camber doesn't move that much to visually see.
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Well, with my setup, I'm running -2deg. camber up front and if I were to have less neg. camber, I would need to get crash bolts. I'm thinking of getting the OEM crash bolts and I'm thinking of only getting 1 bolt so it would be less prone to slippage. Do you think I should use the smaller diam. crash bolt on the upper or lower hole to counter any possibility of slippage?
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Adjusting camber with crash bolts still affects toe. Camber plates move the top of the strut in and out while crash bolts move the bottom in and out. Both affect the angle of the strut, thus affecting toe.
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Originally Posted by slowvic
Adjusting camber with crash bolts still affects toe. Camber plates move the top of the strut in and out while crash bolts move the bottom in and out. Both affect the angle of the strut, thus affecting toe.

I still Dissagree. The strut is attached to the Knuckle,

Part # 2/1 at the top where the 2 holes are.
and when you adjust camber with a camber plate the whole assembly changes angles, but when you adjust camber with the crash bolt, you are changing the angle that they intersect.

Its changing the angle of the whole system Vs changing the angle of the Knuckle. if there is a toe change it is minimal.
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