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Now the 7th gen will have an independent multi link rear suspension.
Just a note that older civics had double wishbone all around which is considered to be better for handling, not sure which is better for drag racing though, don't think it matters.
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There was frame supports on it. If you went full throttle from the line, you would just spin the rear tires. You had to go about half throttle then slowly go to full throtle to the end of the gear, then switch gears and go about 3/4 throtle and so on. Note: I never got the car to run 10 seconds, I can't handle that much power, but the guy that built it(Don Garlits) did, he gave me ride with what he called a good ten second run. But he's ran the quarter in 7 seconds, so he knows how to drive fast .
Just a note that older civics had double wishbone all around which is considered to be better for handling, not sure which is better for drag racing though, don't think it matters.
the rear was multi link with trailing arms in the previous gen models?
Wich one is faster in acceleration... Don't know. Does the older civic handle better... .Thast a bit more abstract... in theory, the Older civic should have an advantage, its lighter, and has a more favorable suspension design. But, Stock EX vs Stock EX... its going to come down to a few things. 1. Driver. and 2. Tire choice (and possibly wheel size). Driver should be obvious... "Old age & treachery shall always defeat youth & enthusiasm..." The driver with the most experiance will most likely win. (this explains why an "old timer" in a Tiberon constantly beats most of the beginers in such cars as RX7's WRX's ect...) In the Tire choice issue... well if car A has a set of Azenis and Car B has a set of Allseasons... My Money is going to be on Car A. If both cars have the same tires.. then WHeel size can come in to play. Which one is wider??? I've seen a 1/2 inch in wheel width be worth as much as a Half Second on course between similarly driven and preped cars... If both are the same then the advantage falls back to the Older civic... now with that in mind, this doesnt mean that the Older civic will beat the new one on a road course or autocross... Though it may be able to put down more G's in a corner. when racing on track you have to take in to account the whole pacage.... So, if the New civic is faster in acceleration then the old one, but the old one handles a bit better.... THat means that in order for the new civic to win It has to be able to make up in the straight a ways what it loses in the corners. and for the Old civic to win, it has to make up in the corners what it loses in the straight a ways.... So once again it comes down to driver. So, Track performance wise, your probably looking at two very comperalbe cars.
(Dont you hate it when some one answers a question with out answering the question??? )
Autocross: Because Life is more fun on three wheels......
"I know Solo only comes one minute at a time, but what an intense, non-stop, fast-forward car control exercise minute it is. Sure, the velocity is higher in road racing, but inside the car it is slow-motion in comparison. In Solo, the turns come like machine-gun rounds. "
Randy Pobst
the rear was multi link with trailing arms in the previous gen models?
Yes, the 7th and 6th gen civics (just about all the civics) share similar rear suspension designs... However, the 7th gen has a more user friendly way to adjust Toe settings.
Autocross: Because Life is more fun on three wheels......
"I know Solo only comes one minute at a time, but what an intense, non-stop, fast-forward car control exercise minute it is. Sure, the velocity is higher in road racing, but inside the car it is slow-motion in comparison. In Solo, the turns come like machine-gun rounds. "
Randy Pobst
Yes, the 7th and 6th gen civics (just about all the civics) share similar rear suspension designs... However, the 7th gen has a more user friendly way to adjust Toe settings.
Here are two sources that say the civic was doublewish bone on all four corners untill 2001.
I can find plenty more too. For once I have to disagree with Zzyzx. Honda got rid of doublewish bone in favor of more room. But did make the body more rigid.
You have to go all the way back to 87 to find a rear suspension thats signifiganly different then the current gen civics..... and that whas when they were using the ol' Tortion beam suspension...
Autocross: Because Life is more fun on three wheels......
"I know Solo only comes one minute at a time, but what an intense, non-stop, fast-forward car control exercise minute it is. Sure, the velocity is higher in road racing, but inside the car it is slow-motion in comparison. In Solo, the turns come like machine-gun rounds. "
Randy Pobst
Frankily, I really don't know where the double wishbone hooks up to the rear arm, but I'm going to with the sources above. If I remember right double wishbone give for a dynamic alignment so the tire patch is always on the ground. So the double wishbone the small piece sticking out from behind the large arm on the lowwer right of the older civic picture, maybe? It's is way to ahrd for me to argue a 2D picture. Keep in mind though that double wishbone is only part of the suspension, most of it is held together by a link type system. Check the book for an Accord, all Accords, including the ones made today, have double wish bone, I bet they look similiar to the older civc picture. If you really don't believe me, go ask the dealer.
Here is a motortrend article that states that the 1996-2000 civic's have double wish bone (motor trend is bit more reputable than the other two I listed).
I can find plenty more too. For once I have to disagree with Zzyzx. Honda got rid of doublewish bone in favor of more room. But did make the body more rigid.
Yep he agrees with you, he's talking about the rear cause I asked if the rear on the previous was multi-link with trailing arms.
No, I've just learned a whole crap load about civic suspensions in the last year... Ranging from an 87 Si (Tortion beam) an 89 Si to the 7th gen....
Jrfish007, I'm not disputing that the older civics didnt have double wish bone rear suspensions... what I am trying to get at is that a "Double wishbone" Suspension describes Many Variations of suspensions... From a True Double wishbone, To a multi Link double wish bone which the civics have had, and whats on the Accord.... So you see, The older civics have double wishbone suspensions, that are of a very similar design to the current moddels Multi Link double wishbone type suspension.
Autocross: Because Life is more fun on three wheels......
"I know Solo only comes one minute at a time, but what an intense, non-stop, fast-forward car control exercise minute it is. Sure, the velocity is higher in road racing, but inside the car it is slow-motion in comparison. In Solo, the turns come like machine-gun rounds. "
Randy Pobst
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