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exturbo6 11-18-2004 06:41 PM

TSI turbo kits?
 
ok so i tried doing the install of my kti and ran into a few problems. so i called a place to have them install it and its been there since last thursday. now they have a problem. the 2 extra injectors that you have to install the interface block dont fit on the throttle body. im hoping that they sent me the wrong part cause this is starting to piss me off, i should have had my car wednesday but they had to do some fab. to this dam car to fit this kit.

If anyone out there has this kit, did you have any trouble installing? cause i have read in the past on this forum that pople have done there own install for this kit. so now im looking into saturday, if not later. sucks.

EternalBlue_Vic 11-18-2004 10:05 PM

/\/\hope i don't have the same problem. I'm buying a used T25bb kit, it should fit since it's been on a civic before, but PM thebigjap and NytRyder2k2. They're the only peeps up here i know of that have a TSI kit.

exturbo6 11-18-2004 10:27 PM

tru.ill hit em up

SODJAZERO 11-18-2004 11:29 PM

there is some one in oklahoma that ordered a tsi kit, man.... the charge pipe was rubbing against the pully, and the vafc that came with the kit will not work properly unless the fuel system is conveted to return, this kit is not easy to install, too many modifications need to be done to make it fit properly, i hope everything works for you, i would not buy this kit.

exturbo6 11-19-2004 06:35 AM

i mean i talk to the doo that is doing the install and he said its def not a direct bolt on and they had to do custom fab to make it work so far, and now this problem..i feel like i cant win with this dam thing. hoping for saturday but mostly likly with my luck monday or tuesday. :(

truehonda 11-19-2004 12:59 PM

TSI Turbo kit Hooray. Sorry to be an ars but you get what you pay for.

exturbo6 11-19-2004 01:55 PM

i mean its not that its a bad kit, too many ****in mods have to be made to fit this dam thing. for the amount of time this is taking you would think i am going to have a 10 sec car. its some bullshit. im going to call and complain to them and see if i can get money back for something, cause im getting so pissed off i might drive there after i get it done and shove my foot up there ass...

truehonda 11-19-2004 01:56 PM

I know bud, its just gay this is happening to you.

flowerpowerlove 11-19-2004 04:53 PM

tsi is horrible!!! i have the t25 and was not able to install it. let me clarify, i could have installed it even without the worthless instructions but the oil pressure sensor adapter that comes with the kit broke off inside the threads of the sensor. the alluminun broke, it is so crappy!!! they sent me the wrong intercooler piping, no extra injectors or fuel pressure pump.

here is the crux, i have called tsi...count it 9 times, emailed 5 times no response...

i am going to box up the kit and send it back demanding a refund for such a deplorable product, my advice stay away!!!

did i mention that i had to use an electric sander to shape the right side of the manifold so that it would fit on the threads? oh, well now you know!!!

oh and the air filter looks like it was a left over from a clearance at kragen...

exturbo6 11-19-2004 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by flowerpowerlove
tsi is horrible!!! i have the t25 and was not able to install it. let me clarify, i could have installed it even without the worthless instructions but the oil pressure sensor adapter that comes with the kit broke off inside the threads of the sensor. the alluminun broke, it is so crappy!!! they sent me the wrong intercooler piping, no extra injectors or fuel pressure pump.

here is the crux, i have called tsi...count it 9 times, emailed 5 times no response...

i am going to box up the kit and send it back demanding a refund for such a deplorable product, my advice stay away!!!

did i mention that i had to use an electric sander to shape the right side of the manifold so that it would fit on the threads? oh, well now you know!!!

oh and the air filter looks like it was a left over from a clearance at kragen...




well i started installing the kit with my friend and i, and the manifold didnt fit..so i went to my neiboers house and grinded it down to fit.(the right side of it) made it fit..but there were so many other problems that i gave up and had my car towed to a shop..o yeah i forgot to mention that i called when i came across a problem and im still waiting for a call back. hense a week later still no call..now the shop came across this problem with the interface block..they called and no repsonse...so i called today and bitch them out, so now they are sending me the rigth part. im thinking of calling back and talking a manger and seeing if i can get money for this install , alteast something cause htis is going to cost me a shit load..i mean everything is on my car going great but this part. as of now thou, who the hell knows, prob run into somrhitng else then there going to go crazy. i dont understand how some poepl run a busniess. a desent amount of custom fab to make this work. not work it. but its too late now. i have to deal with it and get this straight.

thanks for the feed back everyone.

CrewChief 11-20-2004 12:45 PM

I got the kit a year ago and installed it my self in 2 days. Only had to cut come of the bumper to make it fit. Sorry you are having these problems. The kit is a good kit. Runs hard. The fuel control computer is kind of tricky to get used to. You do not need a return fuel system. The fuel is added like nitrous. You just have to play with the settings to get the perfect mix. At 1psi start at 1.00ms and go up .6ms every psi. If you have any questions let me know

exturbo6 11-20-2004 01:54 PM

thanks man!!!!

EternalBlue_Vic 11-20-2004 02:00 PM


Originally Posted by CrewChief
I got the kit a year ago and installed it my self in 2 days. Only had to cut come of the bumper to make it fit. Sorry you are having these problems. The kit is a good kit. Runs hard. The fuel control computer is kind of tricky to get used to. You do not need a return fuel system. The fuel is added like nitrous. You just have to play with the settings to get the perfect mix. At 1psi start at 1.00ms and go up .6ms every psi. If you have any questions let me know

What turbo are you running? T25, T28 or did ya upgrade?

flowerpowerlove 11-20-2004 02:08 PM

my car was up on the jacks for a week while i figured out how i was going to fix the oil sender threading...!!! im goin box it up 2day and send it back!

exturbo6 11-20-2004 02:27 PM

dam man sorry to hear!

truehonda 11-20-2004 03:32 PM

flowerpower, sorry dude, me and you will work together from now on. ;)

flowerpowerlove 11-20-2004 06:52 PM

hey eddie, its me kevin!!!

CrewChief 11-21-2004 12:28 AM

I am running the t25bb and the kit does not come with a fuel pump or regulator. the kit for our cars doesn't include it.

exturbo6 11-21-2004 01:11 AM

i called turbo specialties, and the manger said that i didnt need a fuel pressure reg.

CrewChief 11-21-2004 01:32 AM

thats right. With the returnless fuel system you don't need it. It has one in the gas tank that is electricly controlled

EternalBlue_Vic 11-21-2004 02:33 PM

/\/\that's good, i got worried for sec there

exturbo6 11-21-2004 03:56 PM

im just hoping my dam car will be ready no later then tuesday. almost 2 weeks cause turbo specialties is a bunch of more-ons.

truehonda 11-22-2004 09:53 AM

hey kev

exturbo6 11-22-2004 12:33 PM

well called my shop up and it isnt looking good, since turbo specailties wont send the new part until they get the old one, so now im looking at alomst another week....i hate this place..do you think if i called and talk to a manger i and told him that its costing me money for my car to sit there and its turbo specailties fault i could get some oney out of them cause this is complete bullshit..dam more-ons..

2002SilverEx 11-23-2004 07:48 AM

Hey man, I feel you on this, everything you are saying is De-Ja-Vou! It's so sad, but so true. I ordered my kit last...ohh....may or june... Anyways, my car was in the shop for about a month and a half because of installation problems. I came out of the whole thing with a $1,100.00 bill from the installer, almost 2 months with no car, a blown headgasket, almost a breakup with the girlfriend because I was in such a horrible mood through the whole process, and finally a car that now runs...pretty good.

The first problem was the manifold didnt fit, had to shave that. Next the instructions were a joke, so they had to figure everything out thereselves. TSI won't answer your calls, or send parts, like you said. Then once the whole thing was installed, I was boosting like 13 psi, and blew a headgasket, when i thought you couldnt boost more than 6. Since then, I have replaced the headgasket, bought a boost controller, and I am now boosting 9 psi, and its running great.

Was the whole thing worth it...? HELL NO! Eventhough I now have a bad ass civic, I spent way to much time and money on the project, let alone, constant stress for a month and a half, doesnt help anyone.

So yeah, everything you are saying, your not the only one, and my sympathy for you is here, i feel bad for you! Good luck man!

The best advice I can offer you is to talk to CrewChief as much as possible, the guy is a brain when it comes to this kit, and hes willing to help. Hes a great guy, Thanks again Steve, couldnt have done it without ya!

Good Luck man

exturbo6 11-23-2004 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by 2002SilverEx
Hey man, I feel you on this, everything you are saying is De-Ja-Vou! It's so sad, but so true. I ordered my kit last...ohh....may or june... Anyways, my car was in the shop for about a month and a half because of installation problems. I came out of the whole thing with a $1,100.00 bill from the installer, almost 2 months with no car, a blown headgasket, almost a breakup with the girlfriend because I was in such a horrible mood through the whole process, and finally a car that now runs...pretty good.

The first problem was the manifold didnt fit, had to shave that. Next the instructions were a joke, so they had to figure everything out thereselves. TSI won't answer your calls, or send parts, like you said. Then once the whole thing was installed, I was boosting like 13 psi, and blew a headgasket, when i thought you couldnt boost more than 6. Since then, I have replaced the headgasket, bought a boost controller, and I am now boosting 9 psi, and its running great.

Was the whole thing worth it...? HELL NO! Eventhough I now have a bad ass civic, I spent way to much time and money on the project, let alone, constant stress for a month and a half, doesnt help anyone.

So yeah, everything you are saying, your not the only one, and my sympathy for you is here, i feel bad for you! Good luck man!

The best advice I can offer you is to talk to CrewChief as much as possible, the guy is a brain when it comes to this kit, and hes willing to help. Hes a great guy, Thanks again Steve, couldnt have done it without ya!

Good Luck man

yeah i was doing the install myself and i had to take the manifold to my neighbors house to f=grind the right corner down...but still had shit to move..so i said F-it ill bring it somewhere...well its almost 3 weeks and still nothing...i was thnking of call the manger of this turbo specialties and tryin to get somehting out of this deal. cause ill prob be spending around a G also. too many problems, and i dont understand and you talk to the tech guy, its like talking to your mom about doing the shit..NO CLUE! illbe finding out tonight if they got the oart and if they will be done soon. cant wait..i need my car, and i feel you man, me and my girl are on the edge, i get so upset cause of this car, its killing me. but everythign all good. i just dont even think about it anymore, and when its done its done..theres nothing wqe can do to see if they will give us money or somehting cuase there dumbass over there? idk just thinking cuase my friend told me to try. thanks bro!!

flowerpowerlove 11-24-2004 05:33 PM

dude, we should like blitz them with calls and figure out how TSI is going to compensate us for all of this crap, like a dual strike or something. I want to send my kit back cause the threading is still f^ed up, so even if everything else worked and fit, which it doesnt i still couldnt put a new adapter in, so tsi has screwed up my block indefinetly. sp? wouldnt they have to help us out? could we report them to like the bbb or someting? exturbo6 i feel you, we gotta nail these weasels!!!

AV6 6MT 11-25-2004 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by flowerpowerlove
dude, we should like blitz them with calls and figure out how TSI is going to compensate us for all of this crap, like a dual strike or something. I want to send my kit back cause the threading is still f^ed up, so even if everything else worked and fit, which it doesnt i still couldnt put a new adapter in, so tsi has screwed up my block indefinetly. sp? wouldnt they have to help us out? could we report them to like the bbb or someting? exturbo6 i feel you, we gotta nail these weasels!!!


Id def try and get some $ back or something, all of you have problems that you shouldnt be having... 100% bolt-on? TSI has got to be kidding me. I was just at the shop with Steve (EX TURBO6) and that kit looks like if was never even fitted on a 7th gen, just put together in a box lol. 100% bolt-on :screwy: I think not! BBB definitely.

CrewChief 11-25-2004 02:14 PM

I am not sure about all these problems. I feel for you guys I do. I had no problem with mine. Put it in in 2 days my self. I got my kit from Turbo discounters. Sorry you guys are having so much trouble. If there is anything I can do to help feel free to hit me up. I'll even call the shop and try to help them out if I can. Just let me know. I am there for anybody who needs it. I can even privide pics and detailes on how to install the the kit and fuel settings for nay one who wants it. If your in the stockton CA area I'll even help you put it in. Good luck

03-Acura-1.7-EL 11-25-2004 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by 2002SilverEx
Hey man, I feel you on this, everything you are saying is De-Ja-Vou! It's so sad, but so true. I ordered my kit last...ohh....may or june... Anyways, my car was in the shop for about a month and a half because of installation problems. I came out of the whole thing with a $1,100.00 bill from the installer, almost 2 months with no car, a blown headgasket, almost a breakup with the girlfriend because I was in such a horrible mood through the whole process, and finally a car that now runs...pretty good.

The first problem was the manifold didnt fit, had to shave that. Next the instructions were a joke, so they had to figure everything out thereselves. TSI won't answer your calls, or send parts, like you said. Then once the whole thing was installed, I was boosting like 13 psi, and blew a headgasket, when i thought you couldnt boost more than 6. Since then, I have replaced the headgasket, bought a boost controller, and I am now boosting 9 psi, and its running great.

Was the whole thing worth it...? HELL NO! Eventhough I now have a bad ass civic, I spent way to much time and money on the project, let alone, constant stress for a month and a half, doesnt help anyone.

So yeah, everything you are saying, your not the only one, and my sympathy for you is here, i feel bad for you! Good luck man!

The best advice I can offer you is to talk to CrewChief as much as possible, the guy is a brain when it comes to this kit, and hes willing to help. Hes a great guy, Thanks again Steve, couldnt have done it without ya!

Good Luck man

2002SilverEx, Hey who did you buy kit from?

flowerpowerlove 11-25-2004 09:25 PM

dude, crew chief thanks for the offer! if i get the parts that need to be replaced and the right tubing for the intercooler maybe i could come pick you up and pay you to help me with the install :) i live maybe like 2hr from you... i still am faced with the stripped oil pressure sending unit threading, i may have to weld in the adapter or something...

CrewChief 11-25-2004 09:48 PM

just let me know where your at and I can drive there. pm me with your address and I'll get directions off mapquest. Let me know when your ready. and don't worry about paying me

flowerpowerlove 11-25-2004 09:52 PM

cool man, thanks!!!

ill let you know when i find out the results of them either giving my money back or replace with new parts...

truehonda 11-26-2004 11:33 AM

Go Kevin!

exturbo6 11-26-2004 05:11 PM

yeah its been 3 weeks now..and they sent me the wrong directions. so the shop called more-ons up and said they would email and fax them and they never did..i went over there on friday and still nothing, so i called them my self and the guy was a *******..so after him lyn to me saying he did send them whcich he didnt i finally got them sent..now its a matter of time til i get this thing back..good looks crewchief.

Havok2k1 11-26-2004 06:12 PM

I added this thread to the Turbo FAQ so others that are buying the kit in the future will be aware of potential issues....

:_beer:

flowerpowerlove 11-27-2004 12:32 AM

good idea!

flowerpowerlove 11-27-2004 12:33 AM

kinda sux being the gunie pig... :(

syopp1 11-27-2004 02:08 PM

i just installed a tsi kit on my 04 civic ex. needed some mods. but, it definately needs to be done by someone who knows what they're doing. i ran into a problem myself hopefully someone can help. i installed entire kit except injector interface block because they had sent the wrong one. now i have it installed and wired but my engine is having a fuel fluxuation. it is reving between 1.5 and 3 thousand rpm's when idle. im guessing eigther bad wiring, fuel pump isnt strong enough, or i tapped into fuel line at the wrong point.

as for some other problems mentioned if they havent been answered yet....the turbo manifold does fit, barely: you have to remove the bolt closest to it on the alternator mount......the oil induction line T isnt the right sized thread, you need to tap your original pressure sending unit hole on the pan to a 1/4". any questions ill feel free to answer and i can post pics in as soon as monday. thx.

StreetLevelPerformance 11-27-2004 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by syopp1
i just installed a tsi kit on my 04 civic ex. needed some mods. but, it definately needs to be done by someone who knows what they're doing. i ran into a problem myself hopefully someone can help. i installed entire kit except injector interface block because they had sent the wrong one. now i have it installed and wired but my engine is having a fuel fluxuation. it is reving between 1.5 and 3 thousand rpm's when idle. im guessing eigther bad wiring, fuel pump isnt strong enough, or i tapped into fuel line at the wrong point.

as for some other problems mentioned if they havent been answered yet....the turbo manifold does fit, barely: you have to remove the bolt closest to it on the alternator mount......the oil induction line T isnt the right sized thread, you need to tap your original pressure sending unit hole on the pan to a 1/4". any questions ill feel free to answer and i can post pics in as soon as monday. thx.

Check your map sensor voltage clamp. Reving is usually caused by that or a vacuum leak. Also, check your throttle cable and make sure it isnt too tight.

syopp1 11-27-2004 04:15 PM

ill bet it is the map sensor. ill check it out tommorrow and let you how it went. thx.

CrewChief 11-28-2004 02:29 AM

check your extra injectors for leaking. Take your throttle body off but leave the injector block hooked up. Turn the car to ACC so the fuel injection primes and check to see if fuel is leaking from there. that could be causing your High idle.

syopp1 11-28-2004 05:11 PM

well i just checked extra injectors, map connections, throttle and vtech cables....no go. but the reving actually isnt starting until i give it some gas. i checked for any possible leaks in the fuel line...nothing. maybe its my vaccum line. if you could, lemme know where it's supposed to be hooked up to from the BOV. TSI guy said BOV to the injector control module's vaccum hookup, but that sounds kinda funny to me.

StreetLevelPerformance 11-28-2004 06:14 PM

Sounds like the throttle is open I had the same problem just adjust the throttle cable.

syopp1 11-28-2004 07:27 PM

well, ive messed with the throttle cable, theres plenty of slack. when i took off the intake tubing from the throttle it seemed closed. do you think it could be the line from my turbo to my boost controller? it doesn't look like its really on there anymore. ill have to remove the manifold to get to it so im gonna wait till tommorrow after work.

exturbo6 11-29-2004 05:59 AM

im hating tsi more and more everyday...lucky i dont fly to cali and killem all. o yeah and you dont have to remove the bolt next to the alt. you just have to shave the manifold down in the corner and it will fit fine.

CrewChief 11-29-2004 07:27 AM

you should have 2 vacuume lines comming from you manifold. one to the BOV and the other to you fuel control unit.

exturbo6 11-29-2004 09:16 AM

well im up to 25 hours in the shop and 1875.00 bucks and encounting

flowerpowerlove 11-29-2004 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by CrewChief
you should have 2 vacuume lines comming from you manifold. one to the BOV and the other to you fuel control unit.

where? are those the threads of the turbo? im confused...i dont think that i have any vacuum lines. unless they are ss.

CrewChief 11-29-2004 09:19 PM

should come from this vacuume line. one to your BOV, one to your fuel comp, and one to a boost gauge if you have one. The boost controller should tie in between the line comming from the turbo to the waist gate. here.

http://www.7thgencivic.com/diyimages...ume_line_2.jpg


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